First, I wasn't talking about people that over payed and bought copies on the secondary market. (Salo was OOP for almost 10 years before they re-issued it, and that first DVD had the lowest print run of any Criterion DVD, which is why it commanded such high prices on the secondary market)
Second, it isn't the same situation. TT's limited edition model forces customers to buy ASAP or risk not getting a title (Criterion's model does not) and it is total dick move to screw the people that bought the first limited edition release.
I'm happy that some of these titles are going to get re-released, but the new extras/transfer is TT trying to sell these to the same people that already bought them the first time.
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That's not entirely true. I wouldn't say I'm "mad" about the re-releases, but it is, in a way, false advertising for TT to nudge a potential customer to purchase a product based on the fact that, if he/she didn't buy within a certain amount of time, the product would no longer be available (at least for 3 years, anyway). I'm happy for those who will now get an opportunity to obtain movies that they really wanted and thought they could no longer get, but it does sort of screw those who thought they were getting something special that turned out not to be so special after all.
Well, I'll tell you what, I have several Twilight Time titles that are now OOP and I do not feel screwed in any way because I wanted those films on disc and I have them. If and when those titles are re-released, I will be happy that other people who enjoy those films will now have a chance to own them too. It would be a selfish move on MY part to kick up a fuss just because I bought a "limited edition" and now someone else has an opportunity to own one too.
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I'm not trying to defend the company against any and all criticism. What I'm saying is that if you get pissed off, you own that. You can choose not to be pissed off. It's actually pretty easy. All you have to do is tell yourself that it's not worth the aggravation to get hot and bothered just because TT wants to be coy about what titles they're relicensing. If you want to think they're being childish, OK, say they're being childish. But to get pissed off about it?
There are a metric butt-load of things in the world that are legitimately worth getting pissed about. This is piddly shït.
I absolutely agree with this statement. People have skewed priorities if they get their noses out of joint over a frigging movie. First world problems indeed.
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Sleepless in Seatlle may be a good movie, but it's not worth $35 to many people. Combine that with the fact that most of its target demographic may not even be aware that it's available, and also the fact that it's available overseas for cheaper, and it's pretty easy to see how it hasn't sold out yet.
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A lot of these "great" 1990s movies, such as Sleepless in Seattle, As Good as It Gets, and Philadelphia, were all the buzz with the masses when they were released, but they do not have the same rabid niche fanbase that movies like Christine, The Blob, or the Harryhausen movies have.
I do not think that Sleepless in Seattle, As Good as It Gets, or Philadelphia are bad movies, but they probably need to age and ferment for a while, so that they can be as well-received as older movies like Born Yesterday, Picnic, or Bell, Book and Candle. Philadelphia, in particular, was quite a tear-jerker when I saw it back in the 1990s, but my pulse is somehow not quickened by the idea of paying $34, including shipping, to own the movie right now. It's just...it's just...too soon. These 1990s dramas and rom-coms simply do not have the mystique that older films along the same genre lines have.
You guys are spot on. Those are the kinds of movies that moms pick up on DVD for $5 in the Wal-Mart delete bin. Just because they were hit movies in their day doesn't mean they have appeal to the types of people who order blu-rays from an obscure online company.
Not a big fan of reissues unless it was a crap transfer to begin with. A reissue just means one less new-to-Blu title coming out.
Also the do need to be careful regarding their business model. A big part of the reason they can get away charging $30 street price is because of the 3000 limited edition. Reissues after 3 years, especially new and improved reissues, make them seem a little less limited, and if it becomes par for the course to reissue upgraded versions after 3 years on sellout titles, then it pretty much eliminates the buying urgency which has been driving a lot of sales.
Yeah I don't see that happening. TT works with what they are given and I don't see anyone going back and scanning that movie into 4k and then doing correct color timing. Especially after that bs line from Tom about loving it. I think not only are we stuck with that blu, I think we are stuck that print from here on out.
I think there is a good chance that there could be a re release of NOTLD90. It is Twilight Times second fastest sellout in the history of the company, being completely sold out in two days give or take. They know its another guaranteed sell out, especially if they put more work into it. It has lots of room for improvement. They need to learn how to cater to the horror fans because they are the ones that come out in droves to give TT money. The Walking Dead is one of the most highly watched television shows on currently. It all adds up to TT needs to cash in again on NOTLD90 while the iron is hot.
I think TT may be gambling by re-releasing some titles. The Big Heat which is the best movie they have put out took some time to sell out. I think a lot of sales are based on the limited availability model. I've bought movies that I may not have otherwise or ones that I was on the fence about because I was afraid they might sell out. I'm just one guy but I'm sure I'm not the only one. This is good for people that missed out but if they are going to keep re-licensing then they are going to have to reevaluate the price model.
I think TT may be gambling by re-releasing some titles. The Big Heat which is the best movie they have put out took some time to sell out. I think a lot of sales are based on the limited availability model. I've bought movies that I may not have otherwise or ones that I was on the fence about because I was afraid they might sell out. I'm just one guy but I'm sure I'm not the only one. This is good for people that missed out but if they are going to keep re-licensing then they are going to have to reevaluate the price model.
It's not much of a gamble. All the re-releases are very likely to sell out again.. Fright Night, Mysterious Island, and Journey to the Center of the Earth should all sell very well, and likely will sell out within months of release (FN quicker than others of course). The Big Heat will sell moderately, though may not sell out for a year or so. I'd also add that The Egyptian took much longer to sell out partly because it was priced higher than others.
I wouldn't mind seeing any of these movies get re-released. My only dilemma will come if one of my absolute favorites gets re-released with additional special features (or a much better transfer). But I see that as a personal dilemma that I'll have to deal with when the time comes. (Maybe "dilemma" is even too strong a word).
I think there is a good chance that there could be a re release of NOTLD90. It is Twilight Times second fastest sellout in the history of the company, being completely sold out in two days give or take. They know its another guaranteed sell out, especially if they put more work into it. It has lots of room for improvement. They need to learn how to cater to the horror fans because they are the ones that come out in droves to give TT money. The Walking Dead is one of the most highly watched television shows on currently. It all adds up to TT needs to cash in again on NOTLD90 while the iron is hot.
Wishful thinking for this round: the earliest they could rerelease would be fall 2015, 3 years after the 2012 release. The Harrhausens and FN seem like good bets since they came out in 2011. Another disk from that frame is more likely.
Also, you can bet the sales this time out could be brisker because awareness of the company has spread. I guess it'll be a matter of fans 3001-6000 - does each title have that ability to sell to them?
Wishful thinking for this round: the earliest they could rerelease would be fall 2015, 3 years after the 2012 release. The Harrhausens and FN seem like good bets since they came out in 2011. Another disk from that frame is more likely.
Also, you can bet the sales this time out could be brisker because awareness of the company has spread. I guess it'll be a matter of fans 3001-6000 - does each title have that ability to sell to them?
NOTLD 90 falls within the window of dates they said they're re-releasing the titles. I personally don't see them doing that, but it's not an impossibility.
NOTLD 90 falls within the window of dates they said they're re-releasing the titles. I personally don't see them doing that, but it's not an impossibility.
Thanks missed that.
My guess is the new 4k would be Journey. I've watched all the ones discussed except Big Heat and that's the one most wanting. It's also getting play on Netflix so perhaps the market justifies their doing it.
Not a big fan of reissues unless it was a crap transfer to begin with. A reissue just means one less new-to-Blu title coming out.
Also the do need to be careful regarding their business model. A big part of the reason they can get away charging $30 street price is because of the 3000 limited edition. Reissues after 3 years, especially new and improved reissues, make them seem a little less limited, and if it becomes par for the course to reissue upgraded versions after 3 years on sellout titles, then it pretty much eliminates the buying urgency which has been driving a lot of sales.
Concur, don't resell, but wish one of 3, 00, was truly that and not 1 of 300 plus extra features and 1 of 300 plus better transfer ... if I'm paying for limited issue, please be limited issue.
Lol I would guess that 2000 of each sold out title was purchased from individuals that hang out on this board and a few others buying up several copies for later sales.
If you want to think they're being childish, OK, say they're being childish. But to get pissed off about it?
I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that I got "pissed off." A bit irritated, yes. But pissed off? No. My initial post was basically saying that I thought the company was being too cute/coy, which is annoying. That's it. I agree that it's not worth getting really upset over.
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Not a big fan of reissues unless it was a crap transfer to begin with. A reissue just means one less new-to-Blu title coming out.
I'm sure, if you look up the thread, there are plenty of people who think that Disney bringing back their Sleeping Beauty Blu--which they locked away in the Vault a year before most people even OWNED a Blu player, and made fans in the years since think they "had" to go pay $300 to eBay scalpers for a black-market copy--was somehow a "vile moneymaking plot" to "make us buy the same disk twice".
Others might be breathing a sigh of relief that they finally had a second chance again.
Twilight Time doesn't have a seven-year rotation "Classic vault" system when they decide we don't want a disk anymore. At the time, they just thought they didn't want to sell it as much.
I've bought movies that I may not have otherwise or ones that I was on the fence about because I was afraid they might sell out.
I haven't done that. Titles that I worry might sell out from under me may move higher up the priority ladder, but if it's a movie I'm not interested in, I wouldn't buy it, fast seller or no.
I'm sure, if you look up the thread, there are plenty of people who think that Disney bringing back their Sleeping Beauty Blu--which they locked away in the Vault a year before most people even OWNED a Blu player, and made fans in the years since think they "had" to go pay $300 to eBay scalpers for a black-market copy--was somehow a "vile moneymaking plot" to "make us buy the same disk twice".
Others might be breathing a sigh of relief that they finally had a second chance again.
Twilight Time doesn't have a seven-year rotation "Classic vault" system when they decide we don't want a disk anymore. At the time, they just thought they didn't want to sell it as much.
Disney is always an exception to the rule. Besides, their classic animation titles are limited edition as well, except 1) it's on a much larger scale and 2) they don't broadcast how many they have printed up for sale, or 3) give low quantity alerts like TT does.
Speaking of BatB, doesn't look like they'll be reissuing the 3D. I thought you said they were going to tie that in with the U.S. 3D release of Frozen this fall.
Speaking of BatB, doesn't look like they'll be reissuing the 3D. I thought you said they were going to tie that in with the U.S. 3D release of Frozen this fall.
Er, haaah? No, I recall saying that all that Incredibles marketing made a Pixar 3D re-rendering likely for the hat trick, but doesn't look like we're getting that yet either, outside of France.
I'm sure, if you look up the thread, there are plenty of people who think that Disney bringing back their Sleeping Beauty Blu--which they locked away in the Vault a year before most people even OWNED a Blu player, and made fans in the years since think they "had" to go pay $300 to eBay scalpers for a black-market copy--was somehow a "vile moneymaking plot" to "make us buy the same disk twice".
Others might be breathing a sigh of relief that they finally had a second chance again.
Twilight Time doesn't have a seven-year rotation "Classic vault" system when they decide we don't want a disk anymore. At the time, they just thought they didn't want to sell it as much.
Well I OWNED a Blu-ray player when SB was first released in Blu-ray, thats when I got mine.
Is it me or are some of the Disney titles are getting vaulted quickly (at least the classic animated) after their Blu-ray release, like around 6 months
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