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Old 07-01-2014, 03:07 AM   #11641
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Guys, is 5 days waiting on a `pending' order to be processed unusual for Screen Archives? My Paypal payment seems to have been processed, and none of the titles were pre-orders (I got `Heaven Knows, Mr Alison', `The Man From Laramie', `...Alfredo Garcia', and `The Mechanic'), but I'm just a little surprised it's taking that long. My previous order of `The Train' went off right away.
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Old 07-01-2014, 03:09 AM   #11642
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I think TT may be gambling by re-releasing some titles. The Big Heat which is the best movie they have put out took some time to sell out. I think a lot of sales are based on the limited availability model. I've bought movies that I may not have otherwise or ones that I was on the fence about because I was afraid they might sell out. I'm just one guy but I'm sure I'm not the only one. This is good for people that missed out but if they are going to keep re-licensing then they are going to have to reevaluate the price model.
This. I've bought some Twilight titles over other Blu-rays as I was afraid if I didn't I may not get another chance. Next time I will rethink choosing their titles for $30 over something I want to watch right away as there's no rush as anything that sells out will probably get a re-release, and it will probably be a better edition.

I'm happy Twilight Time is re-releasing titles like Fright Night that some missed out on, but hearing they will now be better versions is a little frustrating. Now I'll have to buy the movie again, and Twilight Time titles aren't cheap. The whole reason for their expensiveness was the fact you were getting a limited edition, one time low pressed title, that may not be available again. Now I know that's not something I have to really worry about. Not the end of the world, but like others have already said I think this could hurt their sales as the urgency and worry of missing out on a title is no longer there. I'll still grab my favourites, but titles that I would pick up just because I was worried I may not get another chance and they looked kind of interesting, I may hold off for a sale or something now. If they sell out, no big deal, I'll just wait for them to get re-released with 4k transfers and new extras.

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Old 07-01-2014, 03:42 AM   #11643
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Guys, is 5 days waiting on a `pending' order to be processed unusual for Screen Archives? My Paypal payment seems to have been processed, and none of the titles were pre-orders (I got `Heaven Knows, Mr Alison', `The Man From Laramie', `...Alfredo Garcia', and `The Mechanic'), but I'm just a little surprised it's taking that long. My previous order of `The Train' went off right away.
If your order gets shipped out within a week of placing the order consider yourself lucky.
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Old 07-01-2014, 03:44 AM   #11644
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If your order gets shipped out within a week of placing the order consider yourself lucky.

Have you ever ordered from screen archives before?
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Old 07-01-2014, 04:11 AM   #11645
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I remember back when people - with sourced knowledge - were saying all along that TT would be renewing licenses and re-releasing titles once the 3-year window was up, and certain people reprimanding them and calling their sources liars. I guess they were right after all.
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Old 07-01-2014, 04:41 AM   #11646
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Have you ever ordered from screen archives before?
Yes, numerous times. A couple years back SAE were getting my orders out within 2-3 days of placing the order, and that's just not the case anymore.
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Old 07-01-2014, 05:13 AM   #11647
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Yes, numerous times. A couple years back SAE were getting my orders out within 2-3 days of placing the order, and that's just not the case anymore.

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Old 07-01-2014, 05:19 AM   #11648
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I just think they're getting a little bogged down with all the new customers Twilight Time is sending their way these days.
SAE may be slow with their shipping times, but don't let that stop you from placing an order.
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Old 07-01-2014, 05:34 AM   #11649
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I don't get all the hand wringing, garment rending, and gnashing of teeth from some folks here over the fact TT has decided to re-license four titles in 2015. Frankly, I am ecstatic they are doing this. I have all of the 2012 titles, so it won't affect me at all. I am just happy more people will get a chance to own these films. This is the way it should be. I am not a fan of their business model at all, particularly when limiting the number of releases for titles where the demand is greater than the supply. But it is how they choose to operate so I play the game like anyone else who wants these films. They underestimated demand for some of these titles, and so they are giving fans another chance. And that chance won't come for another six months to over a year from now. These are still a long ways out, just to keep things in perspective.

If TT has access to more supplemental material or a better scan this time around, then I am happy they are using them. I don't have any plans to double dip, and if someone just has to have the latest and greatest, then go for it. But that in no way diminishes the value or urgency of getting a first round release. Not every sell out will get a re-release anyway, and do you really want to wait three more years to save $30 on a chance it will get re-released? Not me. I don't give a rat's patootie that I have a limited copy of Fright Night that it is rare and valuable and not everyone has it. I am not that kind of collector. I want everyone who wants a copy to be able to get one. Now fans are getting another chance at it (as it seems likely to be one of the four reissues) along with whatever the other three reissues turn out to be.

I absolutely hate the whole limited edition thing, having to be ready every month like a Jeopardy contestant when there is a popular title that I want (and think should not be limited in the first place), making sure I am by a computer or able to order on my phone within a few hours of pre-orders going live. But TT has at least shown a willingness to adapt and to accommodate fans of these films within the confines of their business model, such as getting a higher limit from Sony for The Blob, limiting quantities per customer on some titles, and now being able to reissue four popular titles that sold out (and to reissue them with additional features, etc). This selective re-licensing is great news, and seemed likely to happen anyway once the exclusivity period is over given Sony's attitude toward their catalog on blu-ray. Best of all, the scalpers are going to have to adjust to a new reality.

Just my two cents.

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Some wag is trying to flog a Fright Night Blu on eBay for $90. Needless to say I agree with you entirely.
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Old 07-01-2014, 09:44 AM   #11651
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I don't really understand who is impatient enough to pay hundreds of dollars for a frigging movie. I mean, if you like a movie THAT much to pay so much money, why weren't you all over that like a dirty shirt when it was first released? And if it's not your absolute, most favourite movie ever, why would you pay that much for it?
You seem to have an incredibly narrow capacity for putting yourself in others' shoes.

I, for instance, did not own an HDTV or Blu-ray player until Fall of 2012. Why would I go looking for films - even those I absolutely must have on Blu-ray - before that point? And why would I think that any films would be unavailable through, say, Amazon or Best Buy? I had no clue there were large numbers of limited release titles (or companies), because the only frame of reference I had at the time was how DVDs were treated, where only on very obscure titles were there ever tiny pressings, and almost all of those would find their way to national retailers.

So, yeah, when a few months later I finally discovered this website, and through it TT, it was too late for me to get Mysterious Island, as it was sold out already. So I shrugged, and bought it for $94 on Amazon. I've been a collector (of multiple things) for over 40 years. Buying in the aftermarket is normal for me if something is out of print. You win some, you lose some.

If Mysterious Island is released again? Oh well. It sure as hell won't be the largest sum of money I've ever lost in my life. If it isn't released again? It is a shame others won't be able to enjoy this 'Family Classic' [I grew up outside Chicago]. But I won't get bent about it. I may even consider buying the second edition, depending what else it contains.

Oh... and if the Blu-ray film-collector market is anything like the book-collector market, 1st editions will still fetch a premium over later editions, regardless if any additions to the volume have been made since that 1st edition.


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I'm happy that some of these titles are going to get re-released, but the new extras/transfer is TT trying to sell these to the same people that already bought them the first time.
You are under no obligation to buy titles again. Since the films they are likely to re-license are ones that sold out quickly and command high prices in the aftermarket (demonstrating a continuing large demand), it would seem pretty obvious to me that Twilight Time is trying to sell the 2nd editions to the people who weren't able to get it from them at 'cover price' in the first place.

Sheesh, people. Not everyone and everything is trying to personally persecute you!


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NOTLD90 deserves a new 4K transfer the most out of all the titles. People were furious when it released to the point of TT offering refunds for opened copies which is technically illegal. It caused a hurricane of rage on these message boards. They need to rectify Sony's error by offering a superior mastered in 4K release of the film limited to 5000 copies or more. This should of been done immediately after the first release which never happened. I bought the first release and will buy the second release if it gets the 4K treatment / correct color timing.
The color timing wasn't wrong. I believe the color timing was the DP's decision when the HD mastering was done (according to multiple posts [referencing interviews and the like] in this thread back shortly after it came out). What TT released was what was felt by those who created the film to be the definitive version. That many didn't like it had nothing at all to do with TT, and it is unlikely Sony cares about a few people not liking it as it was, since the person who did the actual filming of the thing said, "this is how it should have looked all along".


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The whole reason for their expensiveness was the fact you were getting a limited edition, one time low pressed title, that may not be available again. Now I know that's not something I have to really worry about. Not the end of the world, but like others have already said I think this could hurt their sales as the urgency and worry of missing out on a title is no longer there. I'll still grab my favourites, but titles that I would pick up just because I was worried I may not get another chance and they looked kind of interesting, I may hold off for a sale or something now. If they sell out, no big deal, I'll just wait for them to get re-released with 4k transfers and new extras.
I colored a word you used in red. To the phrase with that word, I say, that is exactly what everyone got: a limited edition that may not be available again.

As for the rest of what you wrote, there are currently 17 sold-out titles, with a fairly large number on the verge of finally selling out. They have worked out re-licensing deals for four titles out of all of those. Not real good odds that ones someone might delay on will come out again. If a film didn't sell out very rapidly (within hours to a couple months), it seems to me that the likelihood they would bother to re-license it are incredibly slim. Once Twilight Time started to be more well known, slow sales on a title generally means the film reached market saturation. If they believe the market for those many films is saturated, why on Earth would they re-license it?
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Old 07-01-2014, 01:13 PM   #11652
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The color timing wasn't wrong. I believe the color timing was the DP's decision when the HD mastering was done (according to multiple posts [referencing interviews and the like] in this thread back shortly after it came out). What TT released was what was felt by those who created the film to be the definitive version. That many didn't like it had nothing at all to do with TT, and it is unlikely Sony cares about a few people not liking it as it was, since the person who did the actual filming of the thing said, "this is how it should have looked all along".
Actually, the DP went on record saying Sony simply phoned him up for some advice, he never supervised the transfer/color timing himself. When he did finally see it, he thought it looked horrendous. The director, Tom Savini, however, seemed to be in favour of the new color timing. So, make of that what you will. I'm sceptical that it looks as bad as some make it out to be (I've not seen it myself, so I can't comment).
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Actually, the DP went on record saying Sony simply phoned him up for some advice, he never supervised the transfer/color timing himself. When he did finally see it, he thought it looked horrendous. The director, Tom Savini, however, seemed to be in favour of the new color timing. So, make of that what you will. I'm sceptical that it looks as bad as some make it out to be (I've not seen it myself, so I can't comment).
It looks nothing like the VHS, DVD, Netflix, Vudu, Amazon, copies of the film. Much darker and bluer.
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Old 07-01-2014, 02:13 PM   #11654
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I'm sure this has been mentioned here about a million times, but did anyone see NOTLD '90 in theaters when it came out, and was it that blue/dark???
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Old 07-01-2014, 03:26 PM   #11655
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Thanks for your replies, guys, all turned out fine, order just shipped. I'll keep your suggestions about maybe less titles at one time in mind next time around.

I may as well ask, I noticed Screen Archives is going to stock some of the Kino Lorber titles within the next month (`The Scalphunters' and `Sabata' were the ones I had my eye on), currently listed on pre-order at $24.95. Is that price likely to jump up to, say, $29.95 after the pre-order date?
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Thanks for your replies, guys, all turned out fine, order just shipped. I'll keep your suggestions about maybe less titles at one time in mind next time around.

I may as well ask, I noticed Screen Archives is going to stock some of the Kino Lorber titles within the next month (`The Scalphunters' and `Sabata' were the ones I had my eye on), currently listed on pre-order at $24.95. Is that price likely to jump up to, say, $29.95 after the pre-order date?
Both of these are available for pre-order on Amazon for $16.99 (with free shipping if you have Prime). Not sure why anyone (unless they're just anti-Amazon) would pay $24.95 plus shipping?????? Although I do continually see people on Ebay bidding more for a new BD than they would pay at a local store......
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Both of these are available for pre-order on Amazon for $16.99 (with free shipping if you have Prime). Not sure why anyone (unless they're just anti-Amazon) would pay $24.95 plus shipping?????? Although I do continually see people on Ebay bidding more for a new BD than they would pay at a local store......
In fact, I just searched "Kino Lorber blu ray" at Amazon.com. Many of there July titles (which started at anywhere from $20.97 to $25.97 when pre-orders first went up), are now selling for the $16.99 price. Curious to see if this happens with the next batch of August/September/October releases....thank goodness for the Amazon pre-order guarantee!
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Both of these are available for pre-order on Amazon for $16.99 (with free shipping if you have Prime). Not sure why anyone (unless they're just anti-Amazon) would pay $24.95 plus shipping?????? Although I do continually see people on Ebay bidding more for a new BD than they would pay at a local store......
Thanks for the tip-off! Sadly, Amazon has became outrageous for shipping prices to Australia, become a bit of a deal breaker really!

I would look on Ebay from a vendor like Blowitouttahere, but I've just started having some problems with them....like happily taking my money yet only sending half my items...
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Both of these are available for pre-order on Amazon for $16.99 (with free shipping if you have Prime). Not sure why anyone (unless they're just anti-Amazon) would pay $24.95 plus shipping?????? Although I do continually see people on Ebay bidding more for a new BD than they would pay at a local store......
Actually, I've had a look, the Bluray shipping costs aren't too bad, I think when I was about to order something last time it was a few books, which was $5 initial order, then $5.95 each additional book!

Blurays were $4.95 shipping initial order, $1.95 each bluray.
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Thanks for the tip-off! Sadly, Amazon has became outrageous for shipping prices to Australia, become a bit of a deal breaker really!

I would look on Ebay from a vendor like Blowitouttahere, but I've just started having some problems with them....like happily taking my money yet only sending half my items...
Didn't see that you're from Australia! I feel your pain. I've ordered some region free Aussie releases (Journey to the Center of the Earth, Lifeboat, Devil's Brigade, etc) and have paid more than I would for a TT release including shipping. I've had to learn to use Amazon UK marketplace sellers like SmokeCDs to try to minimize my shipping costs! Amazing in this day and age that shipping a 9 oz BD can cost $10+ to ship to/from Australia.
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