Twilight Time Discussion Thread

[klauswhereareyou]

Reason why comics from the last 30 years aren't worth a whole lot is that the print runs were huge, plus how many real character introductions have their been that would make them worth anything?

[popeflick]

Originally Posted by rock, stone

And to CC's credit, their barebones edition was a cheaper price, not sold or marketed as a limited edition, and was announced with the information that a "deluxe" package would be released at a later date. In fact, they still have that information prominently on the BitWC page on the CC website.

This is just an example of why CC isn't a good comparison to TT.



First I'll apologize a bit for my mocking tone earlier. But all the points still stand.

And I didn't ignore your first point, early TT releases didn't have scene selection or subtitles. They didn't include extras because they didn't feel the need to, not because extras didn't exists. Are we really expected them to commission or produce more extras for Fright Night or Mysterious Island?

It took TT at least a year to start to get the hang of producing a Blu ray. That is not to say that every other company always nail it, but other companies didn't market their products as "the last chance to see". So comparing a TT upgrade to a CC upgrade is apples and oranges.

None of this is new information, and TT is always going to be TT. I for one don't mind that they are making more of these available, quite the contrary. I just wish the "Last Chance to See" edition was as good as the "Hey We Sold This One Out" edition.

Someone please post a link where TT said this was the last chance to own any of these on blu. I know no one will because they've never said that.

Seriously people are making up falsehoods in order to complain.

[rock, stone]

Originally Posted by popeflick

Someone please post a link where TT said this was the last chance to own any of these on blu. I know no one will because they've never said that.

Seriously people are making up falsehoods in order to complain.

Stay classy, popeflick.

[erlinmeyer]

from an interview with Nick Redman in 2011: "In all honesty we cannot say that the studio will never reissue these titles in the future or that they won’t sublicense to another label down the line. What we can say is that won’t happen for a minimum of three years and likely longer, and even then it is very unlikely that the studio itself will do it. So only another sublicense is a possibility." Full interview at http://www.hometheaterforum.com/topi...odel-and-more/

[CobraVerde]

Originally Posted by erlinmeyer

from an interview with Nick Redman in 2011: "In all honesty we cannot say that the studio will never reissue these titles in the future or that they won’t sublicense to another label down the line. What we can say is that won’t happen for a minimum of three years and likely longer, and even then it is very unlikely that the studio itself will do it. So only another sublicense is a possibility." Full interview at http://www.hometheaterforum.com/topi...odel-and-more/

Yep, and again, people in this thread who talked to Redman a year ago confirmed he already said they would re-license the sold out titles (but not NoTLD due to the transfer issues), but were called out for spreading "false information." Good ole Internet.

[baheidstu]

Originally Posted by deltatauhobbit

Comics are pretty much worthless too unless they're from the 60's and earlier plus in great shape. Got a whole box of 80's and 90's comics from my childhood, worth less than the printed price on them, maybe worth less than the paper itself haha. Got half a closet full of cards too, complete baseball Topps sets from 1983 through 1993, worth thousands in 1994, worth maybe $50-100 today. My mom sure was glad when I got a place big enough to clear up her closet space haha.

I plan on donating the comics to a child center at some point (minus a few that I'll frame for decoration). The cards will stay in the closet, my grandfather put together the sets for the first 10 years of my life. It was his idea of a college fund before the bottom dropped out, it was everybody's idea as well.

I'd say an OOP blu or DVD actually holds its value better than cards, comics or VHS (unless they're obscure horror). But as with anything, don't buy things hoping they'll appreciate, buy them because you enjoy them. If they're worth anything down the road, bonus!

Originally Posted by klauswhereareyou

Reason why comics from the last 30 years aren't worth a whole lot is that the print runs were huge, plus how many real character introductions have their been that would make them worth anything?

The reason why old comics or baseball cards are super valuable is because back then everyone chucked that stuff in the garbage when they were done with them. Virtually nobody kept them and, thus, the scarcity of those that remained made them valuable in conjuction with the social significance (i.e. the first comic featuring Superman). When people started realizing that money could be made from old stuff and started hoarding, they basically undermined their own efforts because too much of something decreases its value.

As for OOP DVDs or blu-rays, really, how much are you going to get from those? Sure, you might get lucky and sell something like Fright Night for a couple hundred bucks which is a nice return on investment but that's such a rare occurrence. Go to any garage sale and see the stacks upon stacks of worthless LPs and cassettes and old VHS tapes. That's where your blu-rays will be in twenty years time. If you want to invest your money in something, learn to play the stock market or buy some real estate.

[AgentOrange]

Originally Posted by Seymour

If TT re-released NOTLD '90, do you think there's a chance they'd use a different master (without the blue tint)?

That will be interesting. That's sort of a lose-lose scenario for them.

"Fixing" the issue might alienate some people - afterall they were very defensive about the concept of replacement discs. However to double down on the bad transfer would (hopefully) be out of the question. I want to see this fixed, so if Twilight time doesn't do it, hopefully Shout or somebody gets their hands on it and gives it the full collector's edition treatment.

I would sincerely hope that at the very least, the early discs will be re-authored and have proper chapter marks or some of the basics they were lacking. Basically upgrade to the extent possible, I'm assuming the "transfers" used at the time would still be the best available from Sony. But if there are any "upgrades", I hope they would use them regardless of "alienating" buyers of the 1st edition. Their job is not to worry about preserving collector value, it's to deliver the best product.

[Scooter1836]

Originally Posted by AgentOrange

That will be interesting. That's sort of a lose-lose scenario for them.

"Fixing" the issue might alienate some people - afterall they were very defensive about the concept of replacement discs. However to double down on the bad transfer would (hopefully) be out of the question. I want to see this fixed, so if Twilight time doesn't do it, hopefully Shout or somebody gets their hands on it and gives it the full collector's edition treatment.

I would sincerely hope that at the very least, the early discs will be re-authored and have proper chapter marks or some of the basics they were lacking. Basically upgrade to the extent possible, I'm assuming the "transfers" used at the time would still be the best available from Sony. But if there are any "upgrades", I hope they would use them regardless of "alienating" buyers of the 1st edition. Their job is not to worry about preserving collector value, it's to deliver the best product.

Well it won't be a lose-lose situation. Because you can better believe it, that if the color timing is changed, they will not position it as a "fix" and therefore not be obligated to give out replacement discs. Since TT does not control the transfer process (I am basing that on some of the responses I have seen) they will position it just as a new transfer from the owners of the transfer.

we already know when it first came out their position was that was the transfer as it cam from Colombia (owned by Sony) and they had no influence to treat it as it needed to be fixed since that was Sony's position.

[Bubba Fatt]

Collecting is a funny thing at it brings out things in us that rarely rear their heads any other time.

First, I'm not really one of those speculative buyers that keeps all his blu-rays sealed so that I might sell them someday. I open and watch everything I buy.

But sometimes, it's nice to know I have something that other people don't. For example, many years ago, during a video store going-out-of-business sale, I stumbled upon a copy of Criterion Robocop DVD and Criterion Silence of the Lambs DVD. I was completely unaware of Criterion at the time. But what caught my attention was the number on the spine...
Now, me being the completionist and comic book collector that I was, I quickly scoured the known world to find the other movies in the series. It was then that I realized these discs were out of print. And that earlier movies (The Killer, This is Spinal Tap) were going for lots of money. That put a smile on my face. Not because I would resell someday. But because I had something rare. Something another collector might covet.

If Criterion suddenly reissued those discs, would it kill me? No. But that special little gem in my collection wouldn't be so special anymore. And as collectors, we always seem to want others to recognize our collections, to be a little jealous of them, if you will.

I think people might be experiencing a little of this at the news of the TT possible re-issues. And I really can't blame them for that. I don't know that I would be angry, but it would really be a bummer.

Such is the nature of this collector...

[krasnoludek]

Originally Posted by Bubba Fatt

Collecting is a funny thing at it brings out things in us that rarely rear their heads any other time.

First, I'm not really one of those speculative buyers that keeps all his blu-rays sealed so that I might sell them someday. I open and watch everything I buy.

But sometimes, it's nice to know I have something that other people don't. For example, many years ago, during a video store going-out-of-business sale, I stumbled upon a copy of Criterion Robocop DVD and Criterion Silence of the Lambs DVD. I was completely unaware of Criterion at the time. But what caught my attention was the number on the spine...
Now, me being the completionist and comic book collector that I was, I quickly scoured the known world to find the other movies in the series. It was then that I realized these discs were out of print. And that earlier movies (The Killer, This is Spinal Tap) were going for lots of money. That put a smile on my face. Not because I would resell someday. But because I had something rare. Something another collector might covet.

If Criterion suddenly reissued those discs, would it kill me? No. But that special little gem in my collection wouldn't be so special anymore. And as collectors, we always seem to want others to recognize our collections, to be a little jealous of them, if you will.

I think people might be experiencing a little of this at the news of the TT possible re-issues. And I really can't blame them for that. I don't know that I would be angry, but it would really be a bummer.

Such is the nature of this collector...

This is spot on the reason I was upset by the news (owning several OoP TT titles), but not really angry because it's what you would expect to happen at some point with something that has enough demand.

[Scooter1836]

Originally Posted by Bubba Fatt

Collecting is a funny thing at it brings out things in us that rarely rear their heads any other time.

First, I'm not really one of those speculative buyers that keeps all his blu-rays sealed so that I might sell them someday. I open and watch everything I buy.

But sometimes, it's nice to know I have something that other people don't. For example, many years ago, during a video store going-out-of-business sale, I stumbled upon a copy of Criterion Robocop DVD and Criterion Silence of the Lambs DVD. I was completely unaware of Criterion at the time. But what caught my attention was the number on the spine...
Now, me being the completionist and comic book collector that I was, I quickly scoured the known world to find the other movies in the series. It was then that I realized these discs were out of print. And that earlier movies (The Killer, This is Spinal Tap) were going for lots of money. That put a smile on my face. Not because I would resell someday. But because I had something rare. Something another collector might covet.

If Criterion suddenly reissued those discs, would it kill me? No. But that special little gem in my collection wouldn't be so special anymore. And as collectors, we always seem to want others to recognize our collections, to be a little jealous of them, if you will.

I think people might be experiencing a little of this at the news of the TT possible re-issues. And I really can't blame them for that. I don't know that I would be angry, but it would really be a bummer.

Such is the nature of this collector...

Originally Posted by krasnoludek

This is spot on the reason I was upset by the news (owning several OoP TT titles), but not really angry because it's what you would expect to happen at some point with something that has enough demand.

It is spot on, I am not not really one of those speculative buyers either. My collection is for the enjoyment of the films and that is it. I own 15 of the OOP titles and I was not angered or upset at all because of the re-issue news. I thought it to be good news that others could enjoy these titles. Possibly I could snag "Mysterious Island" LOL. But I am realistic about the situation. Because some of the titles that sold out fast would probably be picked up by another distributor if TT didn't. Since TT proved there was a market especially considering limited distribution and advertising.

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by Bubba Fatt

If Criterion suddenly reissued those discs, would it kill me? No. But that special little gem in my collection wouldn't be so special anymore. And as collectors, we always seem to want others to recognize our collections, to be a little jealous of them, if you will.

Again, to bring it back to the comparison of Disney bringing Sleeping Beauty out of the vault--
I had a '08 copy, and kept it as my own showoff piece from the wartime days. Would the new disk offer any new print, or any incentive to upgrade? Not particularly, and all I would lose from the old disk is the BD-Live function that's pretty much useless now. But does mean that my only reason for keeping the disk is whether I want to keep the movie for posterity, and the answer being "yes", that's good enough for me. If so many more other people can get their hands on a copy now, well, that's good luck for them too.
(Although, when it's Snow White's turn out of the vault, I might upgrade, so I don't have the Mirror nagging me about not watching the movie for a while.)

It's only the compulsive blind-buyers and completists, who grab every title on week one, who take every studio re-issue as a personal insult, and cry "You did this to us on PURPOSE! "

[spawningblue]

I think many on here are twisting our words. Most of us aren't upset that they are re-issuing these, and hence ruining the value of our OOP titles. I am happy others are getting a chance to buy these movies, and I couldn't care less what a movie is worth. I open and watch all my movies, I don't by them for their value. And yes, we all knew there was a good chance Twilight would be re-issuing these, but I think we were all under the impression they would be the same discs, with maybe a different cover and a version number two or something on the back. Thus keeping our discs still worth something value and quality wise.

The fact that these new discs will be superior, either with better transfer or new extras, making our three year old discs worthless is a little upsetting. These discs weren't cheap at $30 a pop, and now knowing that we can either keep our inferior versions, or drop another $120 to re-buy them again is a little annoying. Yes, companies re-issues movies all the time, Warner being the king of the double dip, but they aren't selling limited premium products at $30 each plus shipping.

Again, I won't be boycotting Twilight Time or anything, but next time a title is getting low in stock, I won't be rushing out to buy it either in fear that I won't get another chance.

[Blu Titan]

I am all for TT releasing the sold out titles and I already own all of the ones I want including: Fright Night, Christine, Mysterious Island, JTCOE, ect..I mean people wish to purchase them and not pay $100 .

Question, been busy as heck, any word on The Train being close to selling out? Many thanks!

[iank]

Originally Posted by spawningblue

I think many on here are twisting our words. Most of us aren't upset that they are re-issuing these, and hence ruining the value of our OOP titles. I am happy others are getting a chance to buy these movies, and I couldn't care less what a movie is worth. I open and watch all my movies, I don't by them for their value. And yes, we all knew there was a good chance Twilight would be re-issuing these, but I think we were all under the impression they would be the same discs, with maybe a different cover and a version number two or something on the back. Thus keeping our discs still worth something value and quality wise.

The fact that these new discs will be superior, either with better transfer or new extras, making our three year old discs worthless is a little upsetting. These discs weren't cheap at $30 a pop, and now knowing that we can either keep our inferior versions, or drop another $120 to re-buy them again is a little annoying. Yes, companies re-issues movies all the time, Warner being the king of the double dip, but they aren't selling limited premium products at $30 each plus shipping.

Again, I won't be boycotting Twilight Time or anything, but next time a title is getting low in stock, I won't be rushing out to buy it either in fear that I won't get another chance.

To be fair, this sort of thing happens a lot. Numerous Doctor Who DVDs were reissued with new transfers toward the end of the range because they were able to get better transfers than they were at the start. Technology improves, that's just how it goes. Really just depends if the improvement is significant enough - and you love the film enough - to invest in it again.

[Blu Titan]

Originally Posted by iank

To be fair, this sort of thing happens a lot. Numerous Doctor Who DVDs were reissued with new transfers toward the end of the range because they were able to get better transfers than they were at the start. Technology improves, that's just how it goes. Really just depends if the improvement is significant enough - and you love the film enough - to invest in it again.

The only one I would rebuy would be NOTLD (with correct colors) because Sony BOTCHED it with the blue tint. No, that is not the Director's intent nor the way it was in theaters.

[oildude]

Originally Posted by Blu Titan

Question, been busy as heck, any word on The Train being close to selling out? Many thanks!

No news since SAE changed the limit to one per order because it was selling so quickly at two per order they were afraid it would sell out in two weeks. That was about 10 days ago. Looks like it has slowed down.

Great movie, old school WWII film, with real trains and some astonishing sequences, and Burt Lancaster in a signature performance.

[Scooter1836]

Originally Posted by oildude

No news since SAE changed the limit to one per order because it was selling so quickly at two per order they were afraid it would sell out in two weeks. That was about 10 days ago. Looks like it has slowed down.

Great movie, old school WWII film, with real trains and some astonishing sequences, and Burt Lancaster in a signature performance.

Yes, great movie. I enjoyed watching it

[Blu-Velvet]

Originally Posted by oildude

No news since SAE changed the limit to one per order because it was selling so quickly at two per order they were afraid it would sell out in two weeks. That was about 10 days ago. Looks like it has slowed down.

Great movie, old school WWII film, with real trains and some astonishing sequences, and Burt Lancaster in a signature performance.

Just watched my Blu-ray of THE TRAIN tonight, the first time I'd seen it since about junior high school age, watching it on TV in black and white (of course everything was in black-and-white on our TV!). As a kid I was mostly interested in the war and action scenes, and somewhat in the steam engine stuff. All these decades later the story is much more powerful (now recognizing most of the artworks as well as many of the French actors), and I can much better appreciate the brilliant B&W camera work and frequent use of long elaborate takes, not to mention the pre-CGI practical special effects and stunts performed by Lancaster himself. The details of running and maintaining the train engines is also far more engrossing. Of course seeing on a big screen looking so sharp also helps a lot.

[onetet]

Further confirmation on relicensed titles from a question asked on their Facebook:

"Question, it's a silly one but, are you guys going to Re-Release Fright night and Christine on blu-ray? Eh EH? PLEASE?!?"

Twilight Time DVD Label: "Not so silly, as the answer is most likely yes!"