Twilight Time Discussion Thread - Page 588 - Blu-ray Forum

rock, stone · 07-04-2014, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by popeflick

Still waiting for you to post a link where TT said these would never be released again. Perhaps you think it's ok to attribute things to people they never said. Is that classy?

I haven't even been onsite since (and erlinmeyer posted a link immediately after me anyway). And yet you seem to think that I am angry that these are coming back. I'll say it again, it is quite the contrary.

But of course, any moderate position is blown completely out of proportion in here. The idea that TT cultivate the idea that these will be the last physical releases of these films, while bottlenecking availability is pretty crazy. You are right. That is what makes you so classy.

I'll sum up my only points: I wish early TT titles were better releases. TT is not comparable to Criterion. Don't you think we are done yet?

popeflick · 07-04-2014, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by rock, stone

I haven't even been onsite since (and erlinmeyer posted a link immediately after me anyway). And yet you seem to think that I am angry that these are coming back. I'll say it again, it is quite the contrary.

But of course, any moderate position is blown completely out of proportion in here. The idea that TT cultivate the idea that these will be the last physical releases of these films, while bottlenecking availability is pretty crazy. You are right. That is what makes you so classy.

I'll sum up my only points: I wish early TT titles were better releases. TT is not comparable to Criterion. Don't you think we are done yet?

What are you talking about? I pointed out that some people here are basically lying about what TT said in the past. I didn't say it was you, I said it in response to one of your posts. You then gave a "stay classy" snarkalicicous response as if i was the one lying. Which I am not.

baheidstu · 07-04-2014, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad1963

It would be nice if I every other paragraph wasn't about the TT costs or limited quantity. This is how they run their business folks. Get over it already.

It's people's nature to vent. Frankly I find the pissing and moaning far entertaining than just endlessly praising everything. I'll leave that to the folks on the Criterion thread.

ultlife2013 · 07-04-2014, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by baheidstu

It's people's nature to vent. Frankly I find the pissing and moaning far entertaining than just endlessly praising everything. I'll leave that to the folks on the Criterion thread.

This is why the Internet sucks so much. ^^^^

baheidstu · 07-04-2014, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ultlife2013

This is why the Internet sucks so much. ^^^^

If you don't like it, then why do you spend so much time here???

ultlife2013 · 07-04-2014, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by baheidstu

If you don't like it, then why do you spend so much time here???

I also dislike straw man arguments.

baheidstu · 07-04-2014, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ultlife2013

I also dislike straw man arguments.

One more reason for me to ask, why are you even on an internet message board then?

mjbethancourt · 07-04-2014, 06:15 PM

I'm not buying the claim that it's collectors that dislike the re-issues: whether your BD is limited to 3000, 5000, or 6000 shouldn't really matter much, it's still a limited edition, it's a collector's item. If re-issues are something that sticks in your crack, then I think you are probably a speculator who is miffed that you might not be able to get $120 for that copy of The Egyptian that isn't even worth the $30 that you paid for it. In which case I say, "tough luck, that's capitalism, you knew the rules, you played, and you lost".

I don't have a problem with Twilight Time's business model. It makes sense to make small print runs of titles that aren't likely to move a lot of copies. The price and availability problem is driven entirely by scalpers. Therefore, I think it is fantastic that they are re-issuing sold-out titles, now I can finally get some of them without giving some jerk $160 for buying up all the copies before I could get one. Serves all you scalpers right, and not nearly hard enough.

If you bought multiple copies of Mysterious Island at face value with the intent to speculate, you took a calculated risk for the sake of manufacturing scarcity. When that risk fails and bites you in the tail, you have nobody to blame but yourself. Twilight Time bears no responsibility for the failure of your plan to squeeze other people for an unfair price that is several times higher than the retail price. Frankly, I hope all of you scalpers get stuck holding copies that you can't sell.

Oh well, kids... look at the bright side: you still have almost 3 years to try to wring a profit out of Golden Voyage.

filmmusic · 07-04-2014, 06:26 PM

has it been mentioned that the 2 re-releases have been confirmed to be Christine and Fright Night, and the 4K one will be Journey to the Center of the Earth?
I just read it at TT's facebook.

MifuneFan · 07-04-2014, 07:02 PM

I'm really surprised that Christine is one of them. Does that mean the whole 3 year thing is out the window now?

filmmusic · 07-04-2014, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MifuneFan

I'm really surprised that Christine is one of them. Does that mean the whole 3 year thing is out the window now?

I guess..
So the October release will be either Christine or Fright Night.

MifuneFan · 07-04-2014, 07:07 PM

I can understand re-releasing movies after 3 years, but before just looks really bad when they stated time and time again about having to wait 3 years. Especially when the title coming out prematurely is one that sold out in 7 hours the first time. It just comes off as being greedy to me. Like I said before, they really know how to push consumer's buttons. Can't wait for the Twilight Time Defense Force to spin all of this.

RandyK · 07-04-2014, 07:13 PM

I'll be picking up all three of these. Next year is looking expensive already. It's nice they're spread out a little bit.

Hellraiserfan · 07-04-2014, 07:18 PM

First off I just want to let everyone know that I'm not complaining about the films that are limited to 3000 copies. I understand that they don't want to mass produce movies that won't sell as well as more popular films out there.

With that being said, I take it these re-releases will also be limited to about 3000? If so, I really need to jump on Christine and Fright Night this time.

MifuneFan · 07-04-2014, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Hellraiserfan

With that being said, I take it these re-releases will also be limited to about 3000? If so, I really need to jump on Christine and Fright Night this time.

Who knows really. We know they're upping the limit to 5,000 for The Blob. That could be the new limit for the re-releases, or even higher.

CobraVerde · 07-04-2014, 07:25 PM

Bottom line is, blu-rays will never be "collector's items." No more than Laserdiscs or VHS or albums or cassette tapes. You can find all in bargain bins for 25 cents - albeit some rare weird Beatles pressing with alternate art or something. Not to mention, when the 3 year window was up, they'd get re-released anyway.

Something like Fright Night might sell for 5x the cost now, but real collector's items are worth more in 50 years. These will not be.

popeflick · 07-04-2014, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MifuneFan

I can understand re-releasing movies after 3 years, but before just looks really bad when they stated time and time again about having to wait 3 years. Especially when the title coming out prematurely is one that sold out in 7 hours the first time. It just comes off as being greedy to me. Like I said before, they really know how to push consumer's buttons. Can't wait for the Twilight Time Defense Force to spin all of this.

Well why don't we wait for official release dates of all titles before jumping to conclusions?

But I would agree that releasing Christine before March 2016 would be a big mistake for them no doubt.

Brian81 · 07-04-2014, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by CobraVerde

Bottom line is, blu-rays will never be "collector's items." No more than Laserdiscs or VHS or albums or cassette tapes. You can find all in bargain bins for 25 cents - albeit some rare weird Beatles pressing with alternate art or something. Not to mention, when the 3 year window was up, they'd get re-released anyway.

Something like Fright Night might sell for 5x the cost now, but real collector's items are worth more in 50 years. These will not be.

Where are these $0.25 bins for albums? Even at the used shops IN THE 90s...the cheapest most common titles would be $0.50 around here. $1 or $2 was more common for more popular titles to $5 for the more scarce titles.

ultlife2013 · 07-04-2014, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CobraVerde

Bottom line is, blu-rays will never be "collector's items." No more than Laserdiscs or VHS or albums or cassette tapes. You can find all in bargain bins for 25 cents - albeit some rare weird Beatles pressing with alternate art or something. Not to mention, when the 3 year window was up, they'd get re-released anyway.

Something like Fright Night might sell for 5x the cost now, but real collector's items are worth more in 50 years. These will not be.

25 cents? That's gotta be some awesome movie.

baheidstu · 07-04-2014, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian81

Where are these $0.25 bins for albums? Even at the used shops IN THE 90s...the cheapest most common titles would be $0.50 around here. $1 or $2 was more common for more popular titles to $5 for the more scarce titles.

Do you really have to be so pedantic?

07-04-2014, 06:15 PM	#11748
mjbethancourt Blu-ray Samurai Member since:May 2008 Location:suburban fly-over USA 4K collection:15 Blu-ray collection:876	I'm not buying the claim that it's collectors that dislike the re-issues: whether your BD is limited to 3000, 5000, or 6000 shouldn't really matter much, it's still a limited edition, it's a collector's item. If re-issues are something that sticks in your crack, then I think you are probably a speculator who is miffed that you might not be able to get $120 for that copy of The Egyptian that isn't even worth the $30 that you paid for it. In which case I say, "tough luck, that's capitalism, you knew the rules, you played, and you lost". I don't have a problem with Twilight Time's business model. It makes sense to make small print runs of titles that aren't likely to move a lot of copies. The price and availability problem is driven entirely by scalpers. Therefore, I think it is fantastic that they are re-issuing sold-out titles, now I can finally get some of them without giving some jerk $160 for buying up all the copies before I could get one. Serves all you scalpers right, and not nearly hard enough. If you bought multiple copies of Mysterious Island at face value with the intent to speculate, you took a calculated risk for the sake of manufacturing scarcity. When that risk fails and bites you in the tail, you have nobody to blame but yourself. Twilight Time bears no responsibility for the failure of your plan to squeeze other people for an unfair price that is several times higher than the retail price. Frankly, I hope all of you scalpers get stuck holding copies that you can't sell. Oh well, kids... look at the bright side: you still have almost 3 years to try to wring a profit out of Golden Voyage.

07-04-2014, 06:26 PM	#11749
filmmusic Banned Top contributor Member since:Sep 2010 Trading Score:5	has it been mentioned that the 2 re-releases have been confirmed to be Christine and Fright Night, and the 4K one will be Journey to the Center of the Earth? I just read it at TT's facebook.

07-04-2014, 07:02 PM	#11750
MifuneFan Blu-ray Emperor Top contributor Member since:Mar 2012 Location:New York City 4K collection:27 Blu-ray collection:1143 Trading Score:69	I'm really surprised that Christine is one of them. Does that mean the whole 3 year thing is out the window now?

07-04-2014, 07:07 PM	#11752
MifuneFan Blu-ray Emperor Top contributor Member since:Mar 2012 Location:New York City 4K collection:27 Blu-ray collection:1143 Trading Score:69	I can understand re-releasing movies after 3 years, but before just looks really bad when they stated time and time again about having to wait 3 years. Especially when the title coming out prematurely is one that sold out in 7 hours the first time. It just comes off as being greedy to me. Like I said before, they really know how to push consumer's buttons. Can't wait for the Twilight Time Defense Force to spin all of this.

07-04-2014, 07:13 PM	#11753
RandyK Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Dec 2012 Location:Columbus, Ohio 4K collection:1109 Blu-ray collection:4903 DVD collection:131 Digital collection:17 Prime collection:12 Trading Score:6	I'll be picking up all three of these. Next year is looking expensive already. It's nice they're spread out a little bit.

07-04-2014, 07:18 PM	#11754
Hellraiserfan Blu-ray Knight Member since:May 2010 4K collection:482 Blu-ray collection:1072 DVD collection:185 Trading Score:7	First off I just want to let everyone know that I'm not complaining about the films that are limited to 3000 copies. I understand that they don't want to mass produce movies that won't sell as well as more popular films out there. With that being said, I take it these re-releases will also be limited to about 3000? If so, I really need to jump on Christine and Fright Night this time.

07-04-2014, 07:25 PM	#11756
CobraVerde Banned Member since:Feb 2014	Bottom line is, blu-rays will never be "collector's items." No more than Laserdiscs or VHS or albums or cassette tapes. You can find all in bargain bins for 25 cents - albeit some rare weird Beatles pressing with alternate art or something. Not to mention, when the 3 year window was up, they'd get re-released anyway. Something like Fright Night might sell for 5x the cost now, but real collector's items are worth more in 50 years. These will not be.

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