Twilight Time Discussion Thread

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by CobraVerde

Nope, no price. I'd gladly spend $100 or $200 on a title like I did in the Laserdisc days.

They aren't priced any higher than the MSRP of discs from pretty much ANY studio. That's what you people fail to acknowledge. They just don't have 50% markdowns by third party sellers.

It's good that you can guarantee (with zero proof) that none of the titles would've sold out otherwise. That further solidifies the point that catalog titles just don't sell, which is why no one wants to release them.

glad I'm not one of those people. as my financial manager says quite frequently. the smart man only spends money when he HAS to, not when he WANTS to. Even back in the laser disc days I manipulated sales, clearances, price glitches etc to average $15-$20 MAX on titles (I remember the giant star wars one going for $300 ish being snagged for $50 by myself)

msrp is worthless. the only price that matters is STREET price.

and as for selling out. besides Christine and FN, all the "fast sellouts" (the ones that sell out in months) usually don't rise above $50 on the 3rd party market. it was glutted by resellers that's why. the titles that takes YEARS to sell out (like Those mag men in their flying machines) can get $70-$80 a title EASILY since they weren't glutted by resellers..... thusly, those fast sellouts were sellouts so fast BECAUSE of the resellers.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by popeflick

It was limited. It is still limited. TT never rsaid it wouldn't get re-released. In fact, they pointed out the opposite.

You're grasping at straws with this line of "logic."

not really. I'm pointing out that the perception of "we'll never be able to get it again!!!" was the driving factor behind many people actually giving in and paying that price. you see that same statement uttered a million times in any TT thread...while it may not be forbidden or even unmentioned that they could renew them, you can sure admit that they've capitalized on that fear of "never again" to sell out quickly as possible, and as such you can see why some people would be a bit annoyed by them re-releasing the title...to them (I'm not one of them since I didn't even get the movie) all the "well we need these high prices because we only do limited releases" seems a little hollow and makes them reconsider whether that premium is justified. you can disagree on if it's justified or not, but those reasons are enough for many people.

[CobraVerde]

Originally Posted by wormraper

glad I'm not one of those people. as my financial manager says quite frequently. the smart man only spends money when he HAS to, not when he WANTS to. Even back in the laser disc days I manipulated sales, clearances, price glitches etc to average $15-$20 MAX on titles (I remember the giant star wars one going for $300 ish being snagged for $50 by myself)

msrp is worthless. the only price that matters is STREET price.

and as for selling out. besides Christine and FN, all the "fast sellouts" (the ones that sell out in months) usually don't rise above $50 on the 3rd party market. it was glutted by resellers that's why. the titles that takes YEARS to sell out (like Those mag men in their flying machines) can get $70-$80 a title EASILY since they weren't glutted by resellers..... thusly, those fast sellouts were sellouts so fast BECAUSE of the resellers.

Or, they don't sell out because catalog sales for blu-rays stink- especially for average-to-flop horror titles that were never big hits until this fabricated status on blu-ray. Everything will be streaming and downloads soon enough, and all these titles will be available forever. Not to mention 4K re-dos, 8K re-dos, etc.

Anyone who believed the perception of "we'll never be able to get it again!!!" is truly one of the suckers born every minute.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by CobraVerde

Or, they don't sell out because catalog sales for blu-rays stink. Everything will be streaming and downloads soon enough, and all these titles will be available forever. Not to mention 4K re-dos, 8K re-dos, etc.

Anyone who believed the perception of "we'll never be able to get it again!!!" is truly one of the suckers born every minute.

oi vey, not that streaming argument again.

as for the bolded part. you'd be surprised how VERY common that is in every twilight time thread. usually by the proponents of the company citing "well you better get them now, cuz these will likely be the last time they're released on home video!!, the studios don't want to release them and if it wasn't for TT then we'd not be having them AT ALL"

[jebhdb]

It will be interesting to see how recent developments affect sales of Twilight Times release of The Blob. Going from 3,000 to 5,000 copies and the knowledge that it will probably be re-released in the future should limit those purchasing to sell on the secondary market. My guess is The Blob won't be a quick sell out like other titles have in the past when people are no longer purchasing multiple copies and the scalpers have moved on. I personally am for anything that curbs artificial demand and ridiculous secondary prices.

[bruceames]

Anybody that thinks the 3000 limited edition is not a huge selling point is deluding themselves. I don't mind the selective reissues as long as it's done only on a few titles, but even then that limited edition model will become somewhat watered down now, especially since the reissues will be improved upon. They really can't have it both ways. If they go hog wild with the reissues then that damages the appeal of the model, plain and simple. How much so depends upon how much reissuing they plan to do. Will it be 10% of the sold out titles, 50%? I was heartened by a post they made to the effect that the reissues will be very limited and that most sold out titles will never be reissued by them. That's a good call IMO, as in my sake it makes me feel more justified in paying $30 for a movie because of the limited edition.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by CobraVerde

Or, they don't sell out because catalog sales for blu-rays stink- especially for average-to-flop horror titles that were never big hits until this fabricated status on blu-ray. Everything will be streaming and downloads soon enough, and all these titles will be available forever. Not to mention 4K re-dos, 8K re-dos, etc.

Anyone who believed the perception of "we'll never be able to get it again!!!" is truly one of the suckers born every minute.

Who's the sucker? You're the one who says price is no object and that you'll gladly pay $100 or $200 for a movie. Are you rich?

[kngtmat]

Common sense says that because when you say official release date it means that date and not before. And everything I read from them states 3000 discs only for that 3 year period.




So something I originally typed and didn't delete a few minutes after I posted it because finally I thought it didn't make sense after it was posted and people want to be Jerks about it. Well good maturity guys.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by kngtmat

Common sense says that because when you say official release date it means that date and not before. And everything I read from them states 3000 discs only for that 3 year period.

I agree. TT will sign contracts months before a movie will move through the pipeline to actual release, so most likely it means 3 years of exclusive sales rights in the U.S., as long as it's released by such and such date (that is, they don't sit on it too long).

[DJANGO]

Originally Posted by Aussie-Byrd-Brother

Django, THANK YOU! I think that might be it! I didn't see it right from the start, so didn't pick up on the psychic element, but the two leads more or less look like I remember! The plot with the child sounds just like it.

Much appreciated, I've been trying to find this out for years! Thank you so much!

Glad it turned out to be the correct movie - things like this can really drive you crazy!

The old American DVD has gotten pretty expensive:

http://www.amazon.com/Seance-Wet-Aft...+wet+afternoon

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by kngtmat

Common sense says that because when you say official release date it means that date and not before. And everything I read from them states 3000 discs only for that 3 year period.

Guess I'm not understanding the common sense part. The exclusive time frame doesn't always start on the title's release date. We can easily see this in the 3-year deal EBHE had with Miramax. EBHE didn't release some of the Miramax titles on Blu-ray until 1.5-2 years into the 3-year deal yet once the 3-year point, from signing, came to pass all of EBHE Miramax releases were no longer available from EBHE.

If the 3-year limited exclusivity didn't start until the title was released then the licensee could delay the release for an unspecified amount of time. Would the studio want the licensee sitting on a title for, lets say, 5-10 years before releasing a title? No, they would not as this would severely limit their alternative options. On the flip side if the limited exclusivity didn't start until the licensee actually releases the product then what's to stop the studio or another sub-label from releasing the item in the interim.

Then again only TT and Sony knows what the contract actually says.

[Scooter1836]

Originally Posted by kngtmat

Common sense says that because when you say official release date it means that date and not before. And everything I read from them states 3000 discs only for that 3 year period.

First of all common sense is not common, and peoples versions of common sense varies based on their experiences and where they are raised. Which is why in most legal agreements it is spelled out. Sine we are not insiders all we are doing is speculating.

Originally Posted by bruceames.

I agree. TT will sign contracts months before a movie will move through the pipeline to actual release, so most likely it means 3 years of exclusive sales rights in the U.S., as long as it's released by such and such date (that is, they don't sit on it too long).

Probably, but you can bet the date the exclusivity starts and ends is spelled out in the contract. And it may not have anything to do with TT's time when they can deliver (release) the physical product to the consumer. However we can probably assume that TT will negotiate to get the best start date from their perspective and have that put into the contract.

[popeflick]

Originally Posted by wormraper

not really. I'm pointing out that the perception of "we'll never be able to get it again!!!" was the driving factor behind many people actually giving in and paying that price. you see that same statement uttered a million times in any TT thread...while it may not be forbidden or even unmentioned that they could renew them, you can sure admit that they've capitalized on that fear of "never again" to sell out quickly as possible, and as such you can see why some people would be a bit annoyed by them re-releasing the title...to them (I'm not one of them since I didn't even get the movie) all the "well we need these high prices because we only do limited releases" seems a little hollow and makes them reconsider whether that premium is justified. you can disagree on if it's justified or not, but those reasons are enough for many people.

Did the TT account here "utter that statement?" Or was it people repeating something that wasn't quite accurate as we're now seeing?

Someone posted a quote from Redman a few years back where he explicitly states this model doesn't mean the stuff will never get rereleased (the quote is rom hdf). So there you go, your perception was built by non TT folk clucking around and you just believed it instead of doing some research as to what was ACTUALLY said.

[popeflick]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

Anybody that thinks the 3000 limited edition is not a huge selling point is deluding themselves. I don't mind the selective reissues as long as it's done only on a few titles, but even then that limited edition model will become somewhat watered down now, especially since the reissues will be improved upon. They really can't have it both ways. If they go hog wild with the reissues then that damages the appeal of the model, plain and simple. How much so depends upon how much reissuing they plan to do. Will it be 10% of the sold out titles, 50%? I was heartened by a post they made to the effect that the reissues will be very limited and that most sold out titles will never be reissued by them. That's a good call IMO, as in my sake it makes me feel more justified in paying $30 for a movie because of the limited edition.

And when they let a license lapse in the future and one of their sellouts gets issued by a different company in an unlimited pressing you'll be blaming TT for that as well? They never said it would be the last 3000 copies of this film ever released. They've never said anything like that.

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by popeflick

And when they let a license lapse in the future and one of their sellouts gets issued by a different company in an unlimited pressing you'll be blaming TT for that as well? They never said it would be the last 3000 copies of this film ever released. They've never said anything like that.

If they did then that argument wouldn't hold water since TT can't control what another company does. Obviously, TT can only control what has been contractually agreed upon between the studio and them.

Now, Sony is releasing Fright Night and Christine in Europe come September but I don't hear people complaining about that or how it's TT's fault. So I don't believe that's the issue at hand with folks.

[SammymeBlu]

I wonder if TT will be raising there prices for the upcoming Re-Issues in 2015?

It will be nice to finally buy FN which i missed the first time around.It is to bad studios do not want to release catalog titles to Bluray,as prices are dropping fast,i see this as true as i have a huge wish list of catalog titles which more than likely will never see the light of day on Bluray,such pity since most catalog titles run circles around most crap that comes out in Hollywood today.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by popeflick

And when they let a license lapse in the future and one of their sellouts gets issued by a different company in an unlimited pressing you'll be blaming TT for that as well? They never said it would be the last 3000 copies of this film ever released. They've never said anything like that.

I'm not blaming TT for anything. I'm actually one of their bigger supporters. I was just commenting that excessive reissues could have negative consequences on the limited edition sales model as a whole. Do you disagree with that?

[schlock]

I look like it like this. TT has not broken any of their limited edition rules by re-releasing certain titles, as they explicitly said years ago that after their license expires, the film could go elsewhere and get another release, and they have been vocal for a while now that they will do a few reissues themselves. The only thing that I can see people actually thinking they "lied" about anything is the 3-year clause. But as others have said, who knows exactly when that 3-years began? Maybe they licensed Christine on the exact same date that they originally licensed Fright Night, so both will expire around the same date, even though Christine came out two years after Fright Night. And considering how long they confirmed they had The Blob (about a year and a half, right?), by the time that one comes out, they may only have 1 year left in their license deal. I can't imagine Sony would let another company sit on a title for 1 1/2 years before that company's license term on the film begins.

And as far as the reissues being superior or having more extras, ya, that burns a little, but now that we know most of the titles so far getting reissued, if you really want to upgrade, you can always sell off your earlier edition now and make a healthy profit and use that to buy the rereleases.

In the end, I do think that any super quick seller will most likely get reissued by TT so that will probably have an affect on sales. I know I now won't be biting my fingers when The Blob comes out and will just order it when I get around to it. And I picked up some secondary titles when their stock was getting low that I normally wouldn't have bought just because of their limited nature. I'll no longer do that. Sounds stupid, but I am a collector and that's who they cater to, and now I just won't find these editions that special. I'll still buy the ones I really want, but I'm going to start spreading my love and $$ around to other labels like Kino a lot more now. I have a huge list of movies I want to buy, and TT used to get priority because of them being limited, but that is no longer any big deal.

[kngtmat]

Maybe if their contract doesn't say the release date but when they signed it. All of TT's talk about consumer confidence and how they don't want to hurt it so when the release date is what most consumers will go by and not the contract sign date. It just makes the Consumers Confidence part of the interview not mean much and makes their consumers unconfident of which has been seen that way by some of us since they said they were making reissues.

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

I'm not blaming TT for anything. I'm actually one of their bigger supporters. I was just commenting that excessive reissues could have negative consequences on the limited edition sales model as a whole. Do you disagree with that?

Only a handful will be reissued really. I don't see that being an issue.