Twilight Time Discussion Thread

[fdm]

Dunno if it sold out yet, but even though I don't want it this time either, just had a twinge of well maybe I should get it anyway for Fright Night an hour or so ago. Hope it sells out soon and whoever gets the copy I thought about getting enjoys it more than I ever would.

Was waiting until the new year to do any new (pre-) orders. Any ideas when the next autographed copy of something is?

[Dubstar]

Originally Posted by fdm

Dunno if it sold out yet, but even though I don't want it this time either, just had a twinge of well maybe I should get it anyway for Fright Night an hour or so ago. Hope it sells out soon and whoever gets the copy I thought about getting enjoys it more than I ever would.

Was waiting until the new year to do any new (pre-) orders. Any ideas when the next autographed copy of something is?

... and sold out.

[Dunemoon]

Originally Posted by fdm

Dunno if it sold out yet, but even though I don't want it this time either, just had a twinge of well maybe I should get it anyway for Fright Night an hour or so ago. Hope it sells out soon and whoever gets the copy I thought about getting enjoys it more than I ever would.

Was waiting until the new year to do any new (pre-) orders. Any ideas when the next autographed copy of something is?

Whoever gets the copy you don't want to buy won't give a shit about you

[anthonyls]

Originally Posted by Dubstar

... and sold out.

And TT just made $150,000 off of one release.

Take that all you haters!!!

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by anthonyls

And TT just made $150,000 off of one release.

Take that all you haters!!!

Why such hatred for your Blu-ray.com brethren? I don't think anyone doubted this would sell out.

They may have earned $150,000 in revenue but that's not reflective of the actual profit made which is less.

[GenPion]

Twilight Time has said it takes around the halfway point (1,500 copies sold) for them to start making any profit on the release of a title. The cost per copy is probably a bit less considering this is a 5,000 copy print run but one could reasonably estimate a cost of around $45,000 towards manufacturing/licensing - it could have been a bit higher - but that leaves somewhere in the ballpark of $105,000 profit for the sold out re-release of Fright Night.

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by GenPion

Twilight Time has said it takes around the halfway point (1,500 copies sold) for them to start making any profit on the release of a title. The cost per copy is probably a bit less considering this is a 5,000 copy print run but one could reasonably estimate a cost of around $45,000 towards manufacturing/licensing - it could have been a bit higher - but that leaves somewhere in the ballpark of $105,000 profit for the sold out re-release of Fright Night.

It's very plausible the licensing costs more given the increased copies. This is also a BD50 compared to the last release so per disc costs will be more.

[jayembee]

Originally Posted by anthonyls

And TT just made $150,000 off of one release.

Originally Posted by hariseldon

Depends on your definition of made I guess,

True enough, in terms of revenue vs. profit.

Then again, it wasn't even $150K in revenue. The $150K is SAE's revenue, so TT's revenue would be $150K minus whatever SAE's cut is.

But that's all splitting hairs.

[GenPion]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

It's very plausible the licensing costs more given the increased copies. This is also a BD50 compared to the last release so per disc costs will be more.

I think the statement about the time when they start making a profit was later in the company's existence. The first Fright Night was one of their first releases. They hardly ever use 25 GB discs now. Yeah, this probably does up the cost some, of course, but I don't know by how much or how Twilight Time calculates that.

Also, you are probably right. Licensing probably cost a bit more. Cost of manufacturing surely cost more too, but less per title printed. I was just giving a somewhat-reasonable guess on the cost and amount earned. Let's say it was $10,000 more to license and manufacture... that would still be $95,000 for the release. I can't imagine it being too far off from that $10,000 difference ballpark (although that is quite the range).

jayembee also made a good point about how much of a cut Screen Archives makes on each copy sold.

Only Twilight Time knows exactly what they will have made off of the release.

In any case, I know we've heard that some releases they issue don't even sell 1,500 copies -- which is what was stated as the halfway point, the point where the start to make actual profit. So it's worth considering how much profit they make on certain titles actually is helping them to make up for other releases where they might not be making any profit or a small profit at best. The higher selling titles help them to put out the larger quantity of titles per month, too.

Bottom line, though... Twilight Time has clearly worked out something good for them and are making enough of a profit to continue and prosper.

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by GenPion

Bottom line, though... Twilight Time has clearly worked out something good for them and are making enough of a profit to continue and prosper.

They've definitely earned back their investment plus some so that they can invest that money into another title or two.

[StingingVelvet]

While I prefer the Scream Factory model I do hope TT make money from this so they can release some other classics no one else is going to release.

[oildude]

Well, that didn't take long. First post updated.

Also the preorder date for February releases is Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 4 pm EST.

[Blu Titan]

Originally Posted by oildude

Well, that didn't take long. First post updated.

Also the preorder date for February releases is Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 4 pm EST.

Most titles do not sell out....thus, this is good news .

[rdodolak]

There's been some speculation about this old post on the Criterion forums. Picnic will be the first Sony title to come up on the 3 year window that hasn't sold out. Guess we'll find out what happens here in 10 days.

Originally Posted by Moe Dickstein

Just as an addition to that with Sony, TT is REQUIRED to destroy all unsold product at the end of the three year term, no remainders allowed.

[Show spoiler]Source: http://forum.criterionforum.org/foru...447502#p447502

[Blu Titan]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

There's been some speculation about this old post on the Criterion forums. Picnic will be the first Sony title to come up on the 3 year window that hasn't sold out. Guess we'll find out what happens here in 10 days.

I might have to buy a copy of Picnic before it is gone for good. Thing is that I prefer other TT titles .

[GenPion]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

There's been some speculation about this old post on the Criterion forums. Picnic will be the first Sony title to come up on the 3 year window that hasn't sold out. Guess we'll find out what happens here in 10 days.

I was interested in seeing/getting Picnic eventually but no way will I be able to get it in ten days.

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by Blu Titan

I might have to buy a copy of Picnic before it is gone for good. Thing is that I prefer other TT titles .

I know what you mean. Picnic will be followed shortly by Pal Joey (Feb), Bite the Bullet (Mar), and Bell, Book and Candle (Apr).

[GenPion]

Maybe Twilight Time should discount the remaining copies for the last few days they are available.

[Anonymouse]

Originally Posted by GenPion

Maybe Twilight Time should discount the remaining copies for the last few days they are available.

if the story is true about destruction, then those will be the rarest discs. i mean, less copies on the market than any others. i have no interest in any of the 4 listed above, so i won't bite, but if true, wow, that's seriously some incentive to get out there and get them NOW.

[Brad1963]

The Fox title Rapture just past the 3 year mark and still is available. I'm guessing they have the same deal as they do with Sony. I think TT paid a flat rate for 3,000 units of Picnic, Pal Joey etc. regardless, the 3 year mark only makes it available for someone else after that date or TT could renew. TT may have to cut the price on it eventually.