Twilight Time Discussion Thread

[MEB]

Here is one more screenshot comparison:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/116012


And here's a bonus screenshot from the 2015 (4K) Blu-ray:




Mark

[EddieLarkin]

Thank you for clarifying Mark.

Originally Posted by rdodolak

Not sure what you're referencing but the Fright Night re-release is affected by compression/macro blocking issues albeit in only a few areas. But that doesn't negate the fact that it does exist.

That is precisely what I'm referencing. As Mark's screencaps make their way around the web, some people will use them as evidence of further compression problems on TT releases, when they're not evidence of that at all. Those disseminating screencaps have a responsibility to make sure they're accurate, or at least come with a disclaimer (which I'm happy to see Mark has done elsewhere). The two further caps Mark has posted both have the same problems.

[NovaKane]

Originally Posted by MEB

The improvement is dramatic enough that I decided to borrow one screenshot from Blu-ray.com (2012 release) and I pulled one from my Blu-ray (2015 4K release). Here's that screenshot comparison:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/116007

Everyone that plans to replace their 2012 version with the new 4K restoration, please raise your hand!

Mark

Thanks so much for posting the comparisons (and the screenshot of the marching band). I'm really excited to get my copy now. I have the previous TT release, but was underwhelmed by the video, even though it was a step up from the DVD.

With this release, it looks as if I'll be quite satisfied.

[Arkadin]

incredible!
looks like I wanted the first release to look.
god, if only all old movies could already be out on bd in 4k restorations.
oh well, we can dream right?

[filmmusic]

Originally Posted by MEB

Here is one more screenshot comparison:

Mark I appreciate the time you take to grab screenshots, but could you grab a lossless one? Without any compression?
Maybe check the settings in your software and grab a lossless png one? (i think the size of the screenshot should be over 1 MB)
If I were TT I wouldn't like these screenshots to be out there, because they make the Bluray look quite bad...
There is pixelation and macroblocking (or whatever that is called) all over.
(I hope you aren't offended by my post, just a friendly advice. )

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by filmmusic

Mark I appreciate the time you take to grab screenshots, but could you grab a lossless one? Without any compression?
Maybe check the settings in your software and grab a lossless png one? (i think the size of the screenshot should be over 1 MB)
If I were TT I wouldn't like these screenshots to be out there, because they make the Bluray look quite bad...
There is pixelation and macroblocking (or whatever that is called) all over.
(I hope you aren't offended by my post, just a friendly advice. )

A lossless PNG capture is usually around 4-5 MB. I don't think those screenshots look at that bad as we know the minor pixelation is from the compression. I've always been surprised the TT hasn't released their own screenshots to hype up their releases.

[filmmusic]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

A lossless PNG capture is usually around 4-5 MB. I don't think those screenshots look at that bad as we know the minor pixelation is from the compression. I've always been surprised the TT hasn't released their own screenshots to hype up their releases.

Ok, we know.
But someone who sees this and doesn't know that it comes from compression, could judge quickly and think this release is bad.

[UseY0ur1llusi0n]

Originally Posted by EddieLarkin

Check out the bottom half of her cape. I hope that's a result of your capture process and not lousy encoding. Going by the image size there's a good chance it's .jpeg compression, so check that frame on playback, will you?

Was about to point out the same thing last night in the other thread he had posted it in.

[deltatauhobbit]

Originally Posted by UseY0ur1llusi0n

Was about to point out the same thing last night in the other thread he had posted it in.

Yeah, that picture has some major aliasing along the dress lines. No way that's how it actually looks. I've already ordered it but I'll wait for Caps-A-Holic to post some pics so I can compare the change.

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by deltatauhobbit

Yeah, that picture has some major aliasing along the dress lines. No way that's how it actually looks. I've already ordered it but I'll wait for Caps-A-Holic to post some pics so I can compare the change.

vidjunkie has already posted some captures in the JTTCOTE thread.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...8#post10539738

[MEB]

Originally Posted by filmmusic

Mark I appreciate the time you take to grab screenshots, but could you grab a lossless one? Without any compression?
Maybe check the settings in your software and grab a lossless png one? (i think the size of the screenshot should be over 1 MB)
If I were TT I wouldn't like these screenshots to be out there, because they make the Bluray look quite bad...
There is pixelation and macroblocking (or whatever that is called) all over.
(I hope you aren't offended by my post, just a friendly advice. )

Unfortunately, my Mac Blu-ray Software doesn't allow me to adjust the file type nor amount of compression.

As an alternative, I am currently ripping the main feature to my Mac's hard drive and I'll then use a different method to crab a couple of screenshots. The contrast and color still won't be accurate (it's a stupid Mac OS thing, which is quite complicated), but I should be able to put up some screenshots WITHOUT JPEG compression artifacts. Give me a little while.

Mark

[MEB]

Everyone,

I have DELETED the screenshot comparisons I posted last night. My capture method created pixelation in the screen shot due to heavy compression. It's better to just delete them and not cause confusion.

Sorry about that. I am working on a different method for capturing screenshots and I plan to share the results sometime today.

Mark

[UseY0ur1llusi0n]

Originally Posted by MEB

Everyone,

I have DELETED the screenshot comparisons I posted last night.

As well as over at HTF I presume?

Originally Posted by MEB

and not cause confusion.

Afraid it might already be too late for some people.

[MEB]

I already posted at Home Theater Forum to update the situation.

Okay, I've pulled three screen shots from the 2015 Blu-ray that correspond with the 2012 Blu-ray screenshots from the Blu-ray.com review of the older disc. Two of the scenes are off by about a single frame, but I think everyone will agree that it's close enough for government work.

This time I saved my screenshots as lossless TIFFs. But, unfortunately, the screen shot comparison website does not accept TIFFs. So I converted them (in Photoshop with ZERO editing or enhancement) to PNGs. They are still pretty big files, so the screenshot comparisons take a bit of time to load.

Also, since these were done on a Mac, the image is slightly darker (lower contrast) and a slightly different color space (to my eyes, slightly more blue) than what I'm seeing on my big HDTV. It's just one of the stupid and annoying idiosyncrasies of the Mac.

Again, there are three different scenes here (#1, #2 and #3). After the images are loaded, you move your mouse cursor over the image to compare screen shots.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comp...6122/picture:0


The 2015 restoration is heads and shoulders above the 2012 release! In motion, it is quite stunning for a film that is almost as old as me!

Mark

[deltatauhobbit]

[Show spoiler]

Originally Posted by MEB

I already posted at Home Theater Forum to update the situation.

Okay, I've pulled three screen shots from the 2015 Blu-ray that correspond with the 2012 Blu-ray screenshots from the Blu-ray.com review of the older disc. Two of the scenes are off by about a single frame, but I think everyone will agree that it's close enough for government work.

This time I saved my screenshots as lossless TIFFs. But, unfortunately, the screen shot comparison website does not accept TIFFs. So I converted them (in Photoshop with ZERO editing or enhancement) to PNGs. They are still pretty big files, so the screenshot comparisons take a bit of time to load.

Also, since these were done on a Mac, the image is slightly darker (lower contrast) and a slightly different color space (to my eyes, slightly more blue) than what I'm seeing on my big HDTV. It's just one of the stupid and annoying idiosyncrasies of the Mac.

Again, there are three different scenes here (#1, #2 and #3). After the images are loaded, you move your mouse cursor over the image to compare screen shots.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comp...6122/picture:0


The 2015 restoration is heads and shoulders above the 2012 release! In motion, it is quite stunning for a film that is almost as old as me!

Mark

Quite a difference if I say so. I think the 2nd photo comparison really showcases the changes the best.

[PuppetMasterBlu]

Originally Posted by MEB

I already posted at Home Theater Forum to update the situation.

Okay, I've pulled three screen shots from the 2015 Blu-ray that correspond with the 2012 Blu-ray screenshots from the Blu-ray.com review of the older disc. Two of the scenes are off by about a single frame, but I think everyone will agree that it's close enough for government work.

This time I saved my screenshots as lossless TIFFs. But, unfortunately, the screen shot comparison website does not accept TIFFs. So I converted them (in Photoshop with ZERO editing or enhancement) to PNGs. They are still pretty big files, so the screenshot comparisons take a bit of time to load.

Also, since these were done on a Mac, the image is slightly darker (lower contrast) and a slightly different color space (to my eyes, slightly more blue) than what I'm seeing on my big HDTV. It's just one of the stupid and annoying idiosyncrasies of the Mac.

Again, there are three different scenes here (#1, #2 and #3). After the images are loaded, you move your mouse cursor over the image to compare screen shots.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comp...6122/picture:0


The 2015 restoration is heads and shoulders above the 2012 release! In motion, it is quite stunning for a film that is almost as old as me!

Mark

Wow night AND day.

[MEB]

Here are some random screen shots taken from the 2015 Blu-ray (4K restoration). These were also saved as lossless TIFFs and converted to PNGs in Photoshop. They are large files (about 2MB each).












Again, done on a Mac so color and contrast are slightly different than what I see on my HDTV with standalone Blu-ray player.

Mark

[PGW]

Thanks for the screen caps. I can't wait to see this the "Journey" blu-ray looking... well, like a blu-ray. .

[Josh B]

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[rdodolak]

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