Panasonic UB820/UB9000 4K UHD Blu-ray player

[elwaylite]

Originally Posted by DJR662

Go for it!

From what I have seen on my setup, the 820 brings back details without dimming the screen.

Great. I was just planning to turn it on, update it, set HDR Opt to OLED, and go about with life LOL.

[xfileed916]

Originally Posted by DJR662

What setting did you choose in the main menu settings? "OLED" I presume?

Yep, I chose OLED there. And then hitting Option during the film, you get the Optimizer settings. Without messing with anything other than turning on the Optimizer, I could see a minor adjustment to the highlights in the image and the overall image was not dimmed. When I went into the various settings in the Optimizer menu is where I could recover the details that were previously blown out, but by doing that it dulled the image and made the rest of the normal highlights look terrible.

[xfileed916]

Originally Posted by xfileed916

Yep, I chose OLED there. And then hitting Option during the film, you get the Optimizer settings. Without messing with anything other than turning on the Optimizer, I could see a minor adjustment to the highlights in the image and the overall image was not dimmed. When I went into the various settings in the Optimizer menu is where I could recover the details that were previously blown out, but by doing that it dulled the image and made the rest of the normal highlights look terrible.

I know I recall seeing something months ago about putting the 2016 LG OLEDs into HDR Game mode to be able to see the Goblet of Fire image correctly without having the highlights blown to hell in those scenes. Maybe I can try that here and see.

[elwaylite]

Originally Posted by xfileed916

Yep, I chose OLED there. And then hitting Option during the film, you get the Optimizer settings. Without messing with anything other than turning on the Optimizer, I could see a minor adjustment to the highlights in the image and the overall image was not dimmed. When I went into the various settings in the Optimizer menu is where I could recover the details that were previously blown out, but by doing that it dulled the image and made the rest of the normal highlights look terrible.

Great!

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by xfileed916

Yep, I chose OLED there. And then hitting Option during the film, you get the Optimizer settings. Without messing with anything other than turning on the Optimizer, I could see a minor adjustment to the highlights in the image and the overall image was not dimmed. When I went into the various settings in the Optimizer menu is where I could recover the details that were previously blown out, but by doing that it dulled the image and made the rest of the normal highlights look terrible.

I can only speak for myself but once I have chosen a setting in the main menu, I do not need to go into the optimizer menu for further tweaking.

[Dave___B]

I have been using the UB820 for the past week now. I have an LG OLED B7 at home, and have been using the Sony X800 before, with Cinema mode (HDR) and Dynamic contrast set to "low" (which activates the tone mapping).

I have been using that tone mapping mainly to bring back some general "brightness" out of those HDR movies, as some of them are very very dim in the Cinema mode without that tone mapping engaged (Terminator 2 is almost UNWATCHABLE without those options / Same for The Last Jedi)

So I bought the 820 mainly for the HDR Optimizer hoping that it would bring back some "brightness" directly from the player without my Tv doing any work. On T2, when set to "On", the Optimizer did not cancel this "dimly looking" picture. Everything stayed the same.
BUT, I have been setting the HDR options to match the effect of the Tv's internal tone mapping, and have set the HDR output level to +5. This brings viewing HDR movies on a comparable level as SDR movies, and with the Optimizer on, this did not blow out any highlight detail, or overexposed any low light detail. This seems right now and the ending of E.T. with that setting BLEW/ME/AWAY.

Any other user experiencing the same stuff with the LG Oled ?
Do you still use the Tv's "Active HDR" (Dynamic Tone mapping?) or let the player do the work ?

[thatJohann]

Originally Posted by Dave___B

I have been using the UB820 for the past week now. I have an LG OLED B7 at home, and have been using the Sony X800 before, with Cinema mode (HDR) and Dynamic contrast set to "low" (which activates the tone mapping).

I have been using that tone mapping mainly to bring back some general "brightness" out of those HDR movies, as some of them are very very dim in the Cinema mode without that tone mapping engaged (Terminator 2 is almost UNWATCHABLE without those options / Same for The Last Jedi)

So I bought the 820 mainly for the HDR Optimizer hoping that it would bring back some "brightness" directly from the player without my Tv doing any work. On T2, when set to "On", the Optimizer did not cancel this "dimly looking" picture. Everything stayed the same.
BUT, I have been setting the HDR options to match the effect of the Tv's internal tone mapping, and have set the HDR output level to +5. This brings viewing HDR movies on a comparable level as SDR movies, and with the Optimizer on, this did not blow out any highlight detail, or overexposed any low light detail. This seems right now and the ending of E.T. with that setting BLEW/ME/AWAY.

Any other user experiencing the same stuff with the LG Oled ?
Do you still use the Tv's "Active HDR" (Dynamic Tone mapping?) or let the player do the work ?

I have your exact same OLED B7A and considering this player.

What settings did you adjust on the UB820 to make the picture improve?

[dominica]

Originally Posted by DJR662

I can only speak for myself but once I have chosen a setting in the main menu, I do not need to go into the optimizer menu for further tweaking.

How do you like the UB820 on your 75ZD9? does it makes a difference with the tone mapping? Do you still get a bright image but better details in bright areas?

Thanks

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by dominica

How do you like the UB820 on your 75ZD9? does it makes a difference with the tone mapping? Do you still get a bright image but better details in bright areas?

Thanks

Yes, still a bright image but with more details in the highlights. It depends entirely on what movie though. For some it won't make a difference, for others it will.


From post #715 in this thread (for which you gave me a thank you ):


"From what I have seen when using the HDR optimizer with my 75Z9D, it does not make a huge difference. And sometimes it doesn't seem to make a difference at all when toggling the HDR optimizer on/off during content. When wathing Gods Of Egypt for example, I didn't notice a difference. But with Mad Max Fury Road, it gets rid of what little clipping is seen completely and brought out a little more detail in the highlights. I could get the same effect when using the 4000 nits mode on the Z, but this noticably dims the entire picture. When using the optimizer, the screen doesn't dim at all. So in this case for me personally, it's more like putting the icing on the cake."

[Dave___B]

Originally Posted by thatJohann

I have your exact same OLED B7A and considering this player.

What settings did you adjust on the UB820 to make the picture improve?

Exactly what I said ! Hdr Optimizer set to "On", and the "Dynamic Range Ajustment" on "+5".

+6 is probably more correct if you want to match the "Active HDR" of the TV, put I think +5 is enough

[JWB2]

Originally Posted by xfileed916

Hooked up my 820 last night (thanks for the super fast deliver, Robert!) and very briefly got to check it out. Works great thus far. One title I was interested in checking the HDR optimizer on was the 4K Blu of Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire. When watching on my Oppo 203 fed to an LG 65E6, I noticed several scenes (the minister of magic announcing the start of the Quidditch World Cup as well as the appearance of the spirits during the final showdown at the end) where the highlights were completely blown out in a major way. I was hoping that the HDR Optimizer would correct for this problem and found that it did not. When tinkering with the optimizer settings, I was able to recover the highlight info, but by doing that, the regular highlights in the rest of the movie looked drab, dull, and wrong. Any ideas what the issue is on this title that I'm missing?

Thanks for checking this. That was going to be the first thing I looked at on my projector. Could you try HDR off bt2020 for a comparison?

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Dave___B

I have been using the UB820 for the past week now. I have an LG OLED B7 at home, and have been using the Sony X800 before, with Cinema mode (HDR) and Dynamic contrast set to "low" (which activates the tone mapping).

I have been using that tone mapping mainly to bring back some general "brightness" out of those HDR movies, as some of them are very very dim in the Cinema mode without that tone mapping engaged (Terminator 2 is almost UNWATCHABLE without those options / Same for The Last Jedi)

So I bought the 820 mainly for the HDR Optimizer hoping that it would bring back some "brightness" directly from the player without my Tv doing any work. On T2, when set to "On", the Optimizer did not cancel this "dimly looking" picture. Everything stayed the same.
BUT, I have been setting the HDR options to match the effect of the Tv's internal tone mapping, and have set the HDR output level to +5. This brings viewing HDR movies on a comparable level as SDR movies, and with the Optimizer on, this did not blow out any highlight detail, or overexposed any low light detail. This seems right now and the ending of E.T. with that setting BLEW/ME/AWAY.

Any other user experiencing the same stuff with the LG Oled ?
Do you still use the Tv's "Active HDR" (Dynamic Tone mapping?) or let the player do the work ?

I'm not surprised at the bolded ^ because out of the box the Optimiser isn't designed to do anything with content that doesn't exceed the nits level that it's been set to in the TV selection menu, i.e. T2 and TLJ are virtually SDR masters inside HDR containers, they have very low peak brightness and little in the way of extended highlight detail. In other words: there's nothing for the Optimiser to correct whch is why you had to fiddle with it some more.

Originally Posted by xfileed916

Hooked up my 820 last night (thanks for the super fast deliver, Robert!) and very briefly got to check it out. Works great thus far. One title I was interested in checking the HDR optimizer on was the 4K Blu of Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire. When watching on my Oppo 203 fed to an LG 65E6, I noticed several scenes (the minister of magic announcing the start of the Quidditch World Cup as well as the appearance of the spirits during the final showdown at the end) where the highlights were completely blown out in a major way. I was hoping that the HDR Optimizer would correct for this problem and found that it did not. When tinkering with the optimizer settings, I was able to recover the highlight info, but by doing that, the regular highlights in the rest of the movie looked drab, dull, and wrong. Any ideas what the issue is on this title that I'm missing?

FWIW that Quidditch WC scene is graded to have SUPER bright highlights in HDR. I mean, we know that already but what I'm saying is that even in the 4000-nit mapping mode on my ZD9 the spotlights are blown out to balls on the HDR Blu-ray (though the Minister speaking looks great) whereas they're much more visible even on the SDR Blu-ray.

I haven't seen any of the MaxCLL information from that disc but I would not be surprised if it exceeded well beyond 4000 nits in those scenes. And, to speak once again to the Optimiser not being the one-shot panacea as hoped/hyped, it can only do so much because tone mapping still operates on the basic principle that the brighter the highlight information is rendered then the more the APL suffers in order to resolve that information on a lower-brightness display. If you don't want it looking too dim then the highlights need to be clipped. When I say that I'm not casting shade at owners of whatever TV either, for when something still looks blown out on my TV then it must've been mastered at some CRAZY high brightness level.

[Kris Deering]

Originally Posted by Dave___B

I have been using the UB820 for the past week now. I have an LG OLED B7 at home, and have been using the Sony X800 before, with Cinema mode (HDR) and Dynamic contrast set to "low" (which activates the tone mapping).

I have been using that tone mapping mainly to bring back some general "brightness" out of those HDR movies, as some of them are very very dim in the Cinema mode without that tone mapping engaged (Terminator 2 is almost UNWATCHABLE without those options / Same for The Last Jedi)

So I bought the 820 mainly for the HDR Optimizer hoping that it would bring back some "brightness" directly from the player without my Tv doing any work. On T2, when set to "On", the Optimizer did not cancel this "dimly looking" picture. Everything stayed the same.
BUT, I have been setting the HDR options to match the effect of the Tv's internal tone mapping, and have set the HDR output level to +5. This brings viewing HDR movies on a comparable level as SDR movies, and with the Optimizer on, this did not blow out any highlight detail, or overexposed any low light detail. This seems right now and the ending of E.T. with that setting BLEW/ME/AWAY.

Any other user experiencing the same stuff with the LG Oled ?
Do you still use the Tv's "Active HDR" (Dynamic Tone mapping?) or let the player do the work ?

On thing worth trying that may help with titles that look dim overall. Instead of trying to tweak settings for that title, push the HDR button that is just above and to the right of the arrow keys on the remote. There are a few different presets here that will brighten up the image overall without having to go and tweak a lot of settings. Just FYI.

[elwaylite]

I like this thing so far, thanks to Robert. Just like a 900 with different color, better menu options and new hardware I guess. Love all the options in the menu. Gonna do s9me testing here in a bit.

[elwaylite]

Dang. Has the new Netflix version too. Played some HDR Luke Cage. Looks great, DD+ 5.1. Still outputs 4k60 though.

[Robert Zohn]

Just spoke with my UB820/UB9000 engineer friend and he now tells me Netflix will not permit them to output 24p.

[elwaylite]

One final Netflix note. If you set it to sdr 2020 in menu you get ultra hd Netflix with now hdr which is convenient for those that need it. Looks great too.

[elwaylite]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Just spoke with my UB820/UB9000 engineer friend and he now tells me Netflix will not permit them to output 24p.

Crazy. Wonder why Sony and Apple do it? It is neat they have the new Netflix app.

[Robert Zohn]

I know and I told them that too! I'm not giving up on this. They tell me it's easy for them to implement 24p, but Netflix says no.

[McGarnigal]

Originally Posted by elwaylite

Dang. Has the new Netflix version too. Played some HDR Luke Cage. Looks great, DD+ 5.1. Still outputs 4k60 though.

Anyone else cringe at how much artificial grain netflix adds to luke cage and similar shows?