Panasonic UB820/UB9000 4K UHD Blu-ray player

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

Quite honestly, how many people actually need what you need I think the reason they do it is because they don’t want to overheat the processor. The processor runs hotter than any other players I’ve encountered thus far.

Then they could just let the fan run harder, I won't mind. Anything but that awful auto shut off.

[Mierzwiak]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Every professional reviewer and users heavly praise the benifits of seeing the full dynamic tonal range and 100% of the color volume that is not possible with Dolby Vision HDR or any HDR content.

Full tonal range, you're saying? Here's Pacific Rim... Look how flat the clouds are with Optimiser and how smoke is almost entirely clipped. I still prefer Optimiser over LG's tone mapping (using both of them at the same time is a mess) only because the latter changes too much, including raising blacks in darker scenes.

Dolby Vision iTunes:


HDR10 UHD with Optimiser:


HDR10 UHD with LG dynamic tone mapping:

[Robert Zohn]

Thanks for posting this. So many things go into getting the best results with the dual tone mapping. Most importantly is that your B8 is set-up properly and is in the ISF Night mode.

My experiences are quite different, but I have not specifically tried Pacific Rim or a B8. My testing has been on LG's C9 with many 4K Dolby Vision HDR titles that are Netflix Dolby Vision HDR content. With out of the box and a professionally calibrated C9 and the HDR Optimizer set to OLED the HDR results are noticeably better than Dolby Vision without the HDR Optimizer.

This mimics professional reviewers and most users findings.

[Waboman]

Those pics are so dark I can’t see anything.

[evoll]

I put in a few movies in both the oppo 203 and used DV then clicked over to the same movie with the ub820 hdr-10 with optimizer on. The both look really close but I see a little more deeper color in the DV and my tv has been calibrated by Gregg (lionav). The other thing is certain uhd discs look better with DV like the fog and some other SC discs. To say not to use DV if you have it is crazy salesman talk.

[Robert Zohn]

OK, ^ I'll repeat my testing again.

[d514]

The auto shut off has been implemented in Panasonic players for at least 10 years. Why should that change all of the sudden? It's depending on the disc's authoring if you can resume the movie after or not. But most 4K Blu-rays have a resume feature.

Why anyone would want to pause a movie for an hour is beyond me. Do they also keep the TV, AVR, Beamer on for that time, too? What a waste of energy. (Also lamp hours, LED backlight hours, risk of burn-in...)

[Mierzwiak]

Originally Posted by Waboman

Those pics are so dark I can’t see anything.

Sorry, I needed to lower exposure as much as possible to show the clouds

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by d514

The auto shut off has been implemented in Panasonic players for at least 10 years. Why should that change all of the sudden? It's depending on the disc's authoring if you can resume the movie after or not. But most 4K Blu-rays have a resume feature.

Why anyone would want to pause a movie for an hour is beyond me. Do they also keep the TV, AVR, Beamer on for that time, too? What a waste of energy. (Also lamp hours, LED backlight hours, risk of burn-in...)

I don't care about the resume feature.

All I want is the player to be on when I want to and for as long as I want to. If I want the player to be turned off, then I'll do it myself. None of this auto shutdown crap for which I did not ask for in the first place. I don't like it when stuff is forced upon me. And there could be various reasons why I leave the player on for more than 20 minutes without actually doing anything with it.

Why is it apparently so hard for some to understand, that there might be others who for whatever reason simply do not want to be forced to use the auto shutdown feature?

[curlyjive]

I had Alita freeze for a few seconds at the same spot just in the first few minutes of the movie. Kind of the way that Black Hawk Down does repeatedly if you let the Atmos track run. If you stick to the DTS MA track for BHD or the stereo track for Alita, it does not skip.

I know this had been an issue for several titles for those of us running spilt A/V and maybe PCM, but I am not sure if that is a factor....Split A/V for sure.

I would love for Panasonic to address this. I would also love to see Panasonic fix the odd delay in the surround rear channels I get because I use PCM. I believe that is being caused by forced double matrix processing on the surround rear channels because even 5.1 lossless is upconverted to 7.1 regardless of the upconverter setting when you use PCM out. I think it is doing the same thing to 7.1 channel tracks even though it already has rear channels.

Kind of ruins the experience whenever I hear the surround back channels are out of time alignment wit the rest of the mix. I've posted this before but I can really hear it duding the FOX and WB intro music.

[sapiendut]

I use split AV on the 9000 and NX7 and my friend uses 820 and X750. Neither of us had problem with BHD and Alita.

[gates70]

No issues here on my 820.

[rickardl]

Originally Posted by curlyjive

I had Alita freeze for a few seconds at the same spot just in the first few minutes of the movie.

Timestamp?

[INdetectableMAN]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Suprised we need to discuss this again.

Panasonic's exclusive HDR Optomiser has selections in the user menu to choose the display type that matches your displays peak luminance ability. Once selected the HDR Optomiser tone maps the HDR content perfectly following the EOTG PQ curve to perserve all of the HDR dynamic tonal range and 100% of the color volume

I agree with you.

The demonstration material of Spears & Munsil set to 4000 nits quickly reveals what you, quite rightly, exposes.

In my tests on a European model Panasonic FZ800 OLED it is shown that the Panasonic UB9000 and 820 player in OLED mode with HDR OPTIMICER set to ON, is able to recover the volume of color that the internal tone mapping of the TV itself is not capable of recover.

Logically, the reference material is made with the intention of limiting the possibilities of the screens.





























But I have not only found important benefits in OLED, in a Samsung Qled Q9FN by setting the Panasonic player in super bright LED LCD mode I have obtained equally surprising results, with an even more impressive HDR image when it comes to material encoded at 4000 nits and values ​​of luminance above the limit of these screens.

I am also awaiting testing in a Sony XF900 compatible Dolby vision LED with a capacity of up to 1000 nits.

[MEB]

Originally Posted by d514

The auto shut off has been implemented in Panasonic players for at least 10 years. Why should that change all of the sudden? It's depending on the disc's authoring if you can resume the movie after or not. But most 4K Blu-rays have a resume feature.

Why anyone would want to pause a movie for an hour is beyond me. Do they also keep the TV, AVR, Beamer on for that time, too? What a waste of energy. (Also lamp hours, LED backlight hours, risk of burn-in...)

My Panasonic UB900 (UB900, not UB9000) does NOT go into auto shut down after 20 minutes on pause on EVERY disc. It does it on some discs but only with fewer than half of the discs I ever tried it with.

My Panasonic Blu-ray player prior to the UB900 (forget what model it was) could be paused for HOURS with ANY disc. Ditto for the Panasonic Blu-ray player I owned before that one.

This auto shut down after 20 minutes on pause on EVERY disc is NEW to the UB9000.

As for why... We have a Garage Theater (see the link in my signature). We entertain 20-25 guests on a regular basis (2-3 times per month). We show two movies each movie night, a B-movie and a main feature. Prior to the main feature we always show about 20-30 minutes of pre-movie entertainment. Custom Booth Bijou trailers, some previews of coming attractions, a cartoon or two, and assorted other trailers. Before we start the pre-movie entertainment we play a 10 (or 5) minute countdown (the old drive-in theater countdown). It all adds up to at least 20 to 30 minutes of video that gets played from our Mac mini home theater PC before the main feature starts.

But, I queue up the main feature film in the Blu-ray player and put it on pause BEFORE I show the pre-movie stuff. Then, when the pre-movie video is over, I hit a macro on my RF remote and the AVR automatically switches over to the Blu-ray player and puts in play mode.

With most discs and my UB900 (and with EVERY disc and my previous two Panasonic Blu-ray players), the transition was seamless. The pre-movie video ends with a black screen and I queue up the main feature at a black screen. It always flowed smoothly as it transitioned from HTPC to Blu-ray player.

But not with the stinking UB9000. The damn thing shuts itself off after 20 minutes REGARDLESS if the discs in the player has disc-based resume or not. Very annoying!

Just because YOU don't need the ability to pause a film for more than 20 minutes doesn't mean someone else wouldn't like to have the feature. Competitor's players offer the ability to turn OFF the auto shutoff and so should Panasonic.

Mark

[sapiendut]

Then just use your 900 then

Seriously, Panasonic can’t cater to everyone’s needs. Furthermore, while not being enforced, what you’re doing is illegal anyway (public performance, be it for-pay or for free). But going back to your needs, if you really absolutely need the pause feature, just stick with the UB900. It is still a very capable player. Besides, I’m pretty sure the main reason Panasonic implement that 20 minute before shutdown is because they’re afraid that the video chip will overheat.

If they don’t protect the chip, another group of people will be *****ing about “why Panasonic doesn’t do auto shutoff if they know their processor is running hot”. They can’t win.

[MEB]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

Then just use your 900 then

Seriously, Panasonic can’t cater to everyone’s needs. Furthermore, while not being enforced, what you’re doing is illegal anyway (public performance, be it for-pay or for free). But going back to your needs, if you really absolutely need the pause feature, just stick with the UB900. It is still a very capable player. Besides, I’m pretty sure the main reason Panasonic implement that 20 minute before shutdown is because they’re afraid that the video chip will overheat.

If they don’t protect the chip, another group of people will be *****ing about “why Panasonic doesn’t do auto shutoff if they know their processor is running hot”. They can’t win.

My UB900 is sitting in a box. The UB9000 replaced its spot in my equipment stand and I don't have room (nor extra HDMI inputs on my receiver) to add it back.

And Panasonic CAN win by making the Auto Shutoff a USER selectable option in the settings. Those that wish to continue to have it automatically shut off after 20 minutes on pause will have that feature and those that wish to turn OFF the Auto Shutoff will be happy too. EVERYONE wins.

I never suggested that Panasonic should delete the Auto Shutoff entirely... MAKE IT AN OPTION.

Mark

[d514]

Originally Posted by MEB

Then, when the pre-movie video is over, I hit a macro on my RF remote and the AVR automatically switches over to the Blu-ray player and puts in play mode.

Create another macro that briefly displays the status bar or options menu after 15 minutes.

[goodstuff]

Originally Posted by Mobe1969

I take it there is definitely no source direct output (so it doesn't upscale 1080p) on the 9000? It isn't a hidden/different feature?

I didn't see a response for this post quite a while back. I have a Sony x930e TV that I like to let do the upscaling of non-4K and I'd like to compare. I don't see any obvious way in the settings like the Oppo had and just wondering if I'm missing it.

[sapiendut]

If you only want to A/B it you can simply use a player (any player) run a pure 1080p to you 4K and them use Pana to do the upscaling. Or you. An change the resolution from the settings. Use forced 1080p for BD and forced 4K when testing upscaling. I have the 900F (same processor as the 930e) and I prefer the 820 to do the upscaling.

As it stands, there is no direct output. .