Panasonic UB820/UB9000 4K UHD Blu-ray player

[pbz06]

Originally Posted by goodstuff

I didn't see a response for this post quite a while back. I have a Sony x930e TV that I like to let do the upscaling of non-4K and I'd like to compare. I don't see any obvious way in the settings like the Oppo had and just wondering if I'm missing it.

On my Oppo 203 and Z9D, I let the Oppo upscale only because Geoff did the same, haha. With the UB9000 and A9G, I also let the player handle it but use the +1 edge correction everyone (except Geoff) raves about, including UHD content.

I can't tell with normal content and for all intents and purposes, the Oppo, UB9000, Z9D, and A9G are all within 99% of each other in upscaling.

[eddievanhalen]

Originally Posted by pbz06

On my Oppo 203 and Z9D, I let the Oppo upscale only because Geoff did the same, haha. With the UB9000 and A9G, I also let the player handle it but use the +1 edge correction everyone (except Geoff) raves about, including UHD content.

I can't tell with normal content and for all intents and purposes, the Oppo, UB9000, Z9D, and A9G are all within 99% of each other in upscaling.

What's the benefit of using +1 Edge Correction?

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by pbz06

On my Oppo 203 and Z9D, I let the Oppo upscale only because Geoff did the same, haha. With the UB9000 and A9G, I also let the player handle it but use the +1 edge correction everyone (except Geoff) raves about, including UHD content.

I can't tell with normal content and for all intents and purposes, the Oppo, UB9000, Z9D, and A9G are all within 99% of each other in upscaling.

I was literally the first person to highlight what EC to +1 does to reduce the baked-in edge ringing on upscaled content, this was back in April or May 2016 and I used it ever since, but as it can cause moiré artefacts in real world viewing (the second comparison here, the shot with the blinds: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...2#post16329422) I now leave it off, ringing be damned.

[goodstuff]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

If you only want to A/B it you can simply use a player (any player) run a pure 1080p to you 4K and them use Pana to do the upscaling. Or you. An change the resolution from the settings. Use forced 1080p for BD and forced 4K when testing upscaling. I have the 900F (same processor as the 930e) and I prefer the 820 to do the upscaling.

As it stands, there is no direct output. .

Originally Posted by pbz06

On my Oppo 203 and Z9D, I let the Oppo upscale only because Geoff did the same, haha. With the UB9000 and A9G, I also let the player handle it but use the +1 edge correction everyone (except Geoff) raves about, including UHD content.

I can't tell with normal content and for all intents and purposes, the Oppo, UB9000, Z9D, and A9G are all within 99% of each other in upscaling.

Thanks guys, I guess at this level the differences would probably be minimal at best. The 820 is replacing my Oppo 203, but I'll probably leave my 103 for blu-ray playback in the end to split disc duty.

[pbz06]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I was literally the first person to highlight what EC to +1 does to reduce the baked-in edge ringing on upscaled content, this was back in April or May 2016 and I used it ever since, but as it can cause moiré artefacts in real world viewing (the second comparison here, the shot with the blinds: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...2#post16329422) I now leave it off, ringing be damned.

Cool, thanks. Yea a Google search took me to the old thread and your posts haha.

So basically, you can see ringing in test patterns...but with EC +1 to fix it, shows artifacts in actual content.

Off it is!

[kristoffer]

It will be intersting if CES 2020 brings a new top model from Panasonic...perhaps with SACD support and correct DV.

[PissedOffPeoN]

So should i let my lg c9 do the up scaling or the oppo 203 for 1080p content?

[sapiendut]

Completely wrong thread, but I currently reviewing a C9. I find the upscaling is rather bad. Even with the NR turned off, faces look waxy.

[Geoff D]

TBH I find myself greeting all the raving about the upscaling on the Samsung 8K's with a similar amount of incredulity. Their sets have never, ever been known for their accuracy (in any particular respect) and while I'm sure the AI upscaling is making things 'pop' by getting rid of noise, boosting colour, enhancing sharpness etc, is that what the content is supposed to look like? I wonder.

[chip75]

For those that use a Panasonic with a Denon AVR, is it possible to control the player with the Denon's App if the player is connected to the TV (with only) audio going to the AVR? or must the player's audio and video be sent to the AVR for the function to work?

At the moment all the controls appear with the App, but none of the functions work.

[sapiendut]

Not sure, but if it is the Denon App, logic dictates the unit to be connected to the Denon.

[rech750452]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

TBH I find myself greeting all the raving about the upscaling on the Samsung 8K's with a similar amount of incredulity. Their sets have never, ever been known for their accuracy (in any particular respect) and while I'm sure the AI upscaling is making things 'pop' by getting rid of noise, boosting colour, enhancing sharpness etc, is that what the content is supposed to look like? I wonder.

That perhaps is the problem I see often. This whole thing about creators intent or what something is supposed to look like / color accuracy has been taken too far IMO. If it looks good it is good. So many are always trying to say / justify why XYZ is better yet an old saying remains true. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Another also applies here as we all cannot like the same thing. One mans meat is anothers poison. Can't we all just enjoy the different displays we have?

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by rech750452

That perhaps is the problem I see often. This whole thing about creators intent or what something is supposed to look like / color accuracy has been taken too far IMO. If it looks good it is good. So many are always trying to say / justify why XYZ is better yet an old saying remains true. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Another also applies here as we all cannot like the same thing. One mans meat is anothers poison. Can't we all just enjoy the different displays we have?

People can enjoy whatever they want to enjoy, look at the fruitcakes actually arguing FOR the shitty old Blu-ray of Weird Science over in the movies section. But there are certain objective measures that content is supposed to look like and/or be mastered to and some folks are just crazy enough to want to hew closer to those objective standards than not, and I'll never apologise for that no matter how much of a "problem" it is to the laissez faire posters amongst us. The day I buy a Samsung TV I'll have to be committed to the funny farm.

[sapiendut]

It’s not a problem, they’re just two separate point if views

1. Looking for accuracy, taste be damned
2. Caring only for what’s subjectively “good”, accuracy be damned

Number 2 is okay, but then don’t call yourself a home theatre enthusiast because the goal of HT is to replicate actual theatre at home. Theatres don’t change any part of the content (at least not intentionally). So by changing anything to your liking, while there is nothing wrong with that, you’re no longer recreating a theatre experience. Essentially turning you into a J6P (nothing wrong with that either)

[rech750452]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

People can enjoy whatever they want to enjoy, look at the fruitcakes actually arguing FOR the shitty old Blu-ray of Weird Science over in the movies section. But there are certain objective measures that content is supposed to look like and/or be mastered to and some folks are just crazy enough to want to hew closer to those objective standards than not, and I'll never apologise for that no matter how much of a "problem" it is to the laissez faire posters amongst us. The day I buy a Samsung TV I'll have to be committed to the funny farm.

Where can these standards be found and how do they apply to content that is a down sample of the original shooting?

[Geoff D]

D65 white point, Gamma EOTF tracking and 709 primaries for SDR, Perceptual Quantizer EOTF tracking and P3 primaries for HDR, silly little trivialities like that. If those things mean nothing to you then that's fine, that means you've got some research to be getting on with.

Just FYI we never, ever watch what was "originally shot" in 1:1 form, the point is that the footage which is shot is then graded using the above parameters - believe it or not, but it happens to be the truth regardless - and so trying to replicate those parameters in the home will get the end user closer to that grading intent than not, along with turning off motion interpolation, sharpness enhancement, all relevant colour/contrast/brightness boosters. Basically all the things that make the image 'pop' are the enemy of accuracy, but they sure do make the TV look good on the shop floor!

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by kristoffer

It will be intersting if CES 2020 brings a new top model from Panasonic...perhaps with SACD support and correct DV.

Panasonic has never supported SACD, but they have supported DVD-Audio before. If CES 2020 or 2021 offers the worlds first Panasonic Blu-ray player that does both SACD and DVD-Audio, then audiophiles with a collection of those discs would be happy. I really like Panasonic Blu-ray players and I have some family members that have used them since 2010, if SACD/DVD-Audio support is offered then I might get a Panasonic instead of a Pioneer or Sony when it comes time to upgrade.

[sapiendut]

Panasonic top of the line CD player (under Technics name) of 2019 supports SACD

[Robert Zohn]

Correct ^ and this is the first time any Technics or Panasonic device will support SACD!

[TJtennispro]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Correct ^ and this is the first time any Technics or Panasonic device will support SACD!

I bought the 820 and Panasonic support is clueless. I stream music from a Synolgy NAS in ALAC to my Denon 7200 and the input signal comes in as expected in ALAC. The sound quality is great with this player for movies so I tried music and with the same setup the 820 turns everything into PCM. Does the player not support HI resolution audio like it claims?