Panasonic UB820/UB9000 4K UHD Blu-ray player

[trekky76]

Originally Posted by PUsokrJosh305

What I don't understand is that it seems DTM is inaccurate to a lot of you however when we talk about Dolby Vision, you all say it isn't inaccurate or that's how the creators wanted you to see it. DTM is essentially doing the exact same thing as Dolby Vision, just not as good because Dolby Vision's algorithm is slightly better.

That's just nonsense. Dolby Vision is based on an extra layer of metadata provided while all DTM does is a guess..and based on what exactly? Your display is not an AI. I can totally see why so many people prefer DTM since it makes alot of the picture brighter. It's fine if it works for you but it doesn't change anything really.

[PUsokrJosh305]

Originally Posted by trekky76

That's just nonsense. Dolby Vision is based on an extra layer of metadata provided while all DTM does is a guess..and based on what exactly? Your display is not an AI. I can totally see why so many people prefer DTM since it makes alot of the picture brighter. It's fine if it works for you but it doesn't change anything really.

Then explain to me why having DTM "On" is very close to Dolby Vision when watching a movie?? It's not exact but close. Clearly, there is more to the DTM function than "making a guess." It doesn't just make the picture brighter btw!

[Samdavies]

Originally Posted by J Nada

Hey Sam, sorry I didn't reply. Was away from home at the time, then I got caught up in...well, life, and forgot until now. Glad you got it okay!

That's no worries! We all need to fend for ourselves sometimes

But yes, I managed it fine afterwards. Apart from the application process, it was smooth as butter. Really impressed with the whole process after I jumped through a few hoops. I was genuinely surprised when it worked, I was always under the impression bluray region unlocking required a hardware modification.

[pbz06]

We are all saying the same thing

(1) DTM Off is the most accurate in terms of tracking EOTF as much as possible with static HDR10 content, until it rolls off or clips at the TV's limits.

(2) DTM On is an alternative, which tries to dynamically tonemap on the fly and mimic "Dolby Vision" for example. It can work well or well enough in some cases, other cases it's way off. It also depends on the TV and how sophisticated its DTM is.

(3) User preference. Your mileage may vary. Josh never said it's accurate, only "close enough" and worth experimenting.

p.s.- my sony A9G has built in DTM that can't be defeated. However, it's gotten praise from Vincent and other sources like FlatpanelHD because even though it's dynamic, it is subtle and still maintains proper EOTF tracking as much as possible...it's not as egregious as something like Samsung or older LG. Personally, when comparing HDR10 and DV, I can't tell a difference anyway.

If i could disable it, I probably would

[PUsokrJosh305]

Originally Posted by pbz06

We are all saying the same thing

(1) DTM Off is the most accurate in terms of tracking EOTF as much as possible with static HDR10 content, until it rolls off or clips at the TV's limits.

(2) DTM On is an alternative, which tries to dynamically tonemap on the fly and mimic "Dolby Vision" for example. It can work well or well enough in some cases, other cases it's way off. It also depends on the TV and how sophisticated its DTM is.

(3) User preference. Your mileage may vary. Josh never said it's accurate, only "close enough" and worth experimenting.

p.s.- my sony A9G has built in DTM that can't be defeated. However, it's gotten praise from Vincent and other sources like FlatpanelHD because even though it's dynamic, it is subtle and still maintains proper EOTF tracking as much as possible...it's not as egregious as something like Samsung or older LG. Personally, when comparing HDR10 and DV, I can't tell a difference anyway.

If i could disable it, I probably would

Finally, someone who gets what I'm saying! Thank you for understanding where I'm coming from and doing it politely. As I said, I hope one day LG or any other TV company could perfect their own Dynamic Tone Mapping so that way we can not only have an accurate, tone mapped picture with Dolby Vision but also with HDR10!

Again, thank you for understanding!

[TravisTylerBlack]

Originally Posted by iwanttobeabmoviestar

I just got the 820 and am wondering why no hulu hbo max or paramount app support

I would not expect any additional app support for the 820.

Best to get a separate streaming device for anything beyond Netflix and Prime.

[danny24]

Originally Posted by iwanttobeabmoviestar

I just got the 820 and am wondering why no hulu hbo max or paramount app support

Your better off with an Apple TV look at it as a bonus when disc players can stream off apps like Netflix and Amazon Prime. I just use Apple TV 4K I never use any disc players for streaming anymore.

[hceuterpe]

Originally Posted by TravisTylerBlack

I would not expect any additional app support for the 820.

Best to get a separate streaming device for anything beyond Netflix and Prime.

People actually buy UHD players expecting it to support a wide range of apps?

Originally Posted by danny24

Your better off with an Apple TV look at it as a bonus when disc players can stream off apps like Netflix and Amazon Prime. I just use Apple TV 4K I never use any disc players for streaming anymore.

I have a NVidia Shield Pro 2019, and a coworker of mine has both the most recent Apple TV, and the Shield Pro 2019. He definitely prefers the Shield over the Apple TV and thinks the Shield is superior. I concur, and will argue heavily that it's the most advanced streaming device on the market right now. Unless you are heavily invested in Apple ecosystem, and in particular redeemded a bunch of non-Movies Anywhere titles on Apple instead of say Vudu, I strongly recommend the Shield over the Apple TV.

[J Nada]

Originally Posted by Samdavies

That's no worries! We all need to fend for ourselves sometimes

But yes, I managed it fine afterwards. Apart from the application process, it was smooth as butter. Really impressed with the whole process after I jumped through a few hoops. I was genuinely surprised when it worked, I was always under the impression bluray region unlocking required a hardware modification.

Just remember (if your player is connected to the internet) to disable automatic updates - frankly it is looking unlikely that Panasonic are going to update the firmware again but if they do, auto-update will return it to stock...

[ronboster]

Originally Posted by danny24

Your better off with an Apple TV look at it as a bonus when disc players can stream off apps like Netflix and Amazon Prime. I just use Apple TV 4K I never use any disc players for streaming anymore.

Second that advice. Plus, with Apple streaming device you get 1 year free of AppleTV.

I love my unit.

[PUsokrJosh305]

Originally Posted by pbz06

We are all saying the same thing

(1) DTM Off is the most accurate in terms of tracking EOTF as much as possible with static HDR10 content, until it rolls off or clips at the TV's limits.

(2) DTM On is an alternative, which tries to dynamically tonemap on the fly and mimic "Dolby Vision" for example. It can work well or well enough in some cases, other cases it's way off. It also depends on the TV and how sophisticated its DTM is.

(3) User preference. Your mileage may vary. Josh never said it's accurate, only "close enough" and worth experimenting.

p.s.- my sony A9G has built in DTM that can't be defeated. However, it's gotten praise from Vincent and other sources like FlatpanelHD because even though it's dynamic, it is subtle and still maintains proper EOTF tracking as much as possible...it's not as egregious as something like Samsung or older LG. Personally, when comparing HDR10 and DV, I can't tell a difference anyway.

If i could disable it, I probably would

I also wanted to add something I just discovered (and knew anyway) about LG's DTM:

I decided to watch the parts that Vincent was watching in Thor: Ragnorok in his video comparing Disney + Dolby Vision vs. HDR 10. I have DTM set to "On." The chapter is 16. I paused it right as Valkyrie makes her entrance to the battle (with fireworks in the background). As it was paused, I noticed the DTM lowering the overall brightness and contrast, which dimmed down the fireworks. This was only when it was PAUSED. When I played it normally, the fireworks were not dimmed at all.

What this means folks is that pausing a movie and comparing DTM "On" or "Off" is not reliable at all! The true results on DTM is when the picture is moving. Yes, it still isn't 100% accurate but videos like say Vincent posts when he pauses the film and shows what DTM does, is not really showing what DTM truly does to the picture. You have to let the film play in order to see what DTM really does.

Now, I truly am done with the subject. I hope that some of you at least take the chance and look at what DTM truly does because I'm a huge fan of it, even if it is not 100% accurate. My LG C9 comes alive when I have it on, on top of also having the Panasonic Optimizer being "On" and set to the highest setting (Super High Luminance) so it can take care of what the LG C9 (and maybe even the DTM) can't tone map correctly! Perhaps that is why my results pan out better? None the less, I love what I see!

[ronboster]

Originally Posted by FrightNight

So you consider following the instructions as "jumping through hoops"??? - I'm sorry, but I don't get that.

And for that "hardware modification bullshit" - That's something the retailers of that crap want you to believe.

First post after being here for a little over 6 months...Please take it down a notch

I read the term "jumping through hoops" as just a description of the process to register for the firmware. The rest just comes across as someone lashing out after having a bad day.

No reason for the anger

[danny24]

Originally Posted by hceuterpe

People actually buy UHD players expecting it to support a wide range of apps?



I have a NVidia Shield Pro 2019, and a coworker of mine has both the most recent Apple TV, and the Shield Pro 2019. He definitely prefers the Shield over the Apple TV and thinks the Shield is superior. I concur, and will argue heavily that it's the most advanced streaming device on the market right now. Unless you are heavily invested in Apple ecosystem, and in particular redeemded a bunch of non-Movies Anywhere titles on Apple instead of say Vudu, I strongly recommend the Shield over the Apple TV.

Does it have iTunes Movies support? Looks like a strong streaming device I may be interested. The remote for the Apple TV is garbage.

Originally Posted by ronboster

Second that advice. Plus, with Apple streaming device you get 1 year free of AppleTV.

I love my unit.

The Apple TV 64GB is a really good streaming device. It's always fast and works perfectly. No disc player could ever come close. One of the reasons why the lack of apps on the Oppo 203 and 205 don't bother me.

[bubaglobalj]

I'm also using this player in combination with an Apple TV 4K 64'. I don't even connect my BR player to the internet

[Rasimov]

I grabbed one of the DP-UB820P-K's on Amazon before they sold out. Got it to replace my Sony X700 that I got tired of it freezing around 90 minutes in various 4K discs (none of the tips people mentioned to fix this problem solved anything, and I wasn't ready to drill holes into it).

I watched the Ghost in the Shell (1995) 4K disc some people mentioned having problems with on this player. I saw people say that it flickered, but I just noticed the occasional scene where it seemed to dim for a fraction of a second repeatedly (but slowly). It didn't seem to affect every scene, though. Noticeable, but not distracting. I might watch my 2K Ghost in the Shell 2.0 / Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence UK Manga Home Entertainment copy (I imported it when GitS 2 was OOP in the US before the reissue) again to see if I notice the same issue on it.

[Moonloop]

Absolutely mystifies me how Panasonic could release this player without an iOS/Android app to control by wifi for anyone with a rack or cupboard mounted system . Literally every other item whether it be processor / player / streamer / server I can control from my iPhone at the viewing/listening position but not the 9000 :O(
Even more annoying because Panasonic do make apps to control tvs but not disc players ...

M

[Cinematt]

Originally Posted by bubaglobalj

I'm also using this player in combination with an Apple TV 4K 64'. I don't even connect my BR player to the internet

Same here. The player is fantastic for disc content, the ATV is fantastic for streaming. Sure it's some extra money but it's so worth it for the lack of headaches.

[Rasimov]

Originally Posted by Cinematt

Same here. The player is fantastic for disc content, the ATV is fantastic for streaming. Sure it's some extra money but it's so worth it for the lack of headaches.

I've personally hated almost all built in streaming options on blu-ray players and TVs (Android TVs might be the only exception). I replaced an older style 4K Roku with a 4K Apple TV a while back. I prefer it over the Roku, but it has some quirks.

I haven't checked to see if they ever fixed it, but for a while TV shows watched in the "new" Apple TV app would show out of order. The older library app would be fine, though.

I noticed recently that nothing in the itunes related apps would load, but things like Vudu and Moviesanywhere worked fine. It sorted itself out eventually, so probably just a temporary issue with Apple.

The default categories for movies are kind of awful and sometimes make very little sense.

It seems like if you don't use it for a while, it will log you out of a lot of things. But to be fair, I sometimes go months without using it.

Not really an issue, but it worried me the first time it happened, but the remote would go crazy when it needed to be charged.

Despite those random quirks, I do like it a lot, and I tend to hate Apple products. Also helps that Arrow has frequent $2.99 sales.

[MoFoHo72]

Hi all! I'm a fairly new-ish owner of the Panny UB9000. I bought it as I was getting sick of my Sony X800, which sometimes freezes so badly that it needs to be physically unplugged from the mains some times.
The new player is connected directly to my Epson TW9300 (6040ub in the US?), it literally sits on a shelf under the projector, and the old HDMI lead now sends audio back to the amp.

I'm really kinda lost in the settings, especially the HDR optimiser. What setting should I choose in the set up menu? Basic or High Luminance Projector? I use the highest power lamp setting in the HDR (auto) mode. Although I notice more details in highlights when engaging the optimiser, the image always seems to get a tiny bit duller. I do like being able to bring the shadows up using some of the sliders.
I'd really appreciate any hints and tips?

Although I know full well that Panasonic aren't 'great' when it comes to streaming apps, I've tried Netflix on the UB9000, and can't get it to output at 24FPS. We've been using my old Sony X800 instead. Again, have I simply got a setting wrong here?
Like I said, any hints or tips, especially with regards to use with a projector?
Many thanks, in advance.

[hceuterpe]

Originally Posted by danny24

Does it have iTunes Movies support? Looks like a strong streaming device I may be interested. The remote for the Apple TV is garbage.



The Apple TV 64GB is a really good streaming device. It's always fast and works perfectly. No disc player could ever come close. One of the reasons why the lack of apps on the Oppo 203 and 205 don't bother me.

The one downside i have found with the Shield is that because it's an Android TV device, I'm pretty sure you know the answer as to whether or not it supports iTunes/Apple TV.

However, the Shield TV Pro has USB 3.0 ports, what is likely much better upscaling, and supports lossless audio codec support (TrueHD, LPCM 7.1, DTS-HD and Atmos/DTS:X in those formats as well). If you're like me and like to backup your BD/UHD collection to have it available without dealing with physical discs. The Shield is a no brainer.