Panasonic UB820/UB9000 4K UHD Blu-ray player

[eddievanhalen]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

That's a bingo. Panasonic players DO NOT play lossless/high res DTS/Dolby audio on standalone files (regardless of container), only when played off of a disc.

And I thought my Sony X-800 is mean as it doesn't play Dolby TrueHD from MKV files and when I "get" an MKV file with Dolby TrueHD I have to convert it to DTS-HD Master Audio...

[Geoff D]

That's why I gave up on both the Sony and the Panny as file players, not that the Panny was ever much cop anyway (they didn't add HEVC HDR playback for files until like six months after launch, and even then it was only mp4. They didn't add mkv/ts capability until a YEAR later.). Sony is better but still a bit flaky. OPPO is the king of the ring.

[sa5150]

I love my Sony X-800 that I paid $158 . Looking at a Panasonic UB9000 for a second player since I can't get a Oppo 205 .

[Cortiz]

Has anyone moved from the Sony X800/X1000es to this new Panny? How do they compare as far as PQ?

[CYMBOL]

Hello all,

Went back several pages and didn't see anything recent so forgive me for redundancy...

I want to get this player, but waiting to hear some kind of announcement on whether they plan to support Sony low-latency DV TVs. And if so, when is the expected update?

Once they update it and I read reviews that it works well, I'll be buying this player.

Thanks in advance to anyone who takes a moment to reply.

[dvdwilly]

I just got my UB820 yesterday. Did the firmware update and I see Dolby Vision as an option.

I have not played with it, but I can tell you that having the 4 HDR profiles available on the fly sold me.

My Oppo 203 will be going up on eBay tonight or tomorrow.

The Oppo 203 is flawless, but HDR on my projector (Epson 6040UB) is way dark.

[PuppetMasterBlu]

Originally Posted by dvdwilly

I just got my UB820 yesterday. Did the firmware update and I see Dolby Vision as an option.

I have not played with it, but I can tell you that having the 4 HDR profiles available on the fly sold me.

My Oppo 203 will be going up on eBay tonight or tomorrow.

The Oppo 203 is flawless, but HDR on my projector (Epson 6040UB) is way dark.

HDR and projectors are never going to work im afraid.

[Master S]

Just ordered an UB820 from my Belgian retailer for 389€ including shipping, it's a steal

[GiuseppeM]

Originally Posted by Cortiz

Has anyone moved from the Sony X800/X1000es to this new Panny? How do they compare as far as PQ?

Hi. I Have both, the Sony 800 and the Panny 824 (mine was bought in Germany), they are linked respectively to a Sony A1 and to a LG C8. I don't know whether the difference is given in great part by the televisions, but there's a clear advantage of the Panny over the Sony. I speak about the image, because here I see that there are many people that have a strong nostalgy for Oppo, I can understand them, but I can also say that the Panny is top of the pops for image and it has never been a product like those made by Technics for audio. So you buy the Panny for films and not to listen to SACD.

[GiuseppeM]

Beamershop 24.DE in Germany announces the availability of Panny 9000 on October the 5th.

[Clark Burk]

Originally Posted by PuppetMasterBlu

HDR and projectors are never going to work im afraid.

Really?? I know quite a few that would offer a different view. Sorry it’s not working for you.

[PuppetMasterBlu]

Originally Posted by Clark Burk

Really?? I know quite a few that would offer a different view. Sorry it’s not working for you.

I actually don't have HDR but projectors aren't bright enough to compete with a great TV. Believe me when I say im a big fan of projectors but unfortunately that is a limitation.

[Clark Burk]

Originally Posted by PuppetMasterBlu

I actually don't have HDR but projectors aren't bright enough to compete with a great TV. Believe me when I say im a big fan of projectors but unfortunately that is a limitation.

So you’re making a determination without even seeing what HDR looks like with a projector. Your loss. The 820 makes projectors fantastic players for 4k discs.

[Mobe1969]

I'm so sick of hearing about brightness and TV's. It is insane. And when you are talking a wide field of view projector screen, and the fact your eyes have irises that for one instant in time can only have one setting, if part of the image is too bright in one spot you are not going to be able to see any dark or detail. Sure they might be able to emulate it, and if you paused and blotted out the bright bit so your Iris could adjust you could, but that doesn't matter in watching video. I don't need a TV that can replicate me staring into the sun. I had a hard enough time adjusting to my projector brightness, and run it at 60% Iris closed, low lamp.

[GiuseppeM]

https://www.whathifi.com/reviews/pan...-ub9000-review

[mzupeman]

Originally Posted by Mobe1969

I'm so sick of hearing about brightness and TV's. It is insane. And when you are talking a wide field of view projector screen, and the fact your eyes have irises that for one instant in time can only have one setting, if part of the image is too bright in one spot you are not going to be able to see any dark or detail. Sure they might be able to emulate it, and if you paused and blotted out the bright bit so your Iris could adjust you could, but that doesn't matter in watching video. I don't need a TV that can replicate me staring into the sun. I had a hard enough time adjusting to my projector brightness, and run it at 60% Iris closed, low lamp.

Sounds like justification-itis to me. We’re going to prescribe a couple of 1,000 nit mastered HDR films viewed on proper equipment, and that should help dissipate the hysteria. If not, come back and we’ll follow up with further treatments

[ack_bak]

Originally Posted by PuppetMasterBlu

HDR and projectors are never going to work im afraid.

That's just silly. Of course it works and it can look quite good. I have a Samsung TV that is one of the brightest out there at displaying peak HDR brightness per rtings.com. It also has good native contrast. It's 65".

My projector is a JVC RS520 on a 2.35:1 130" (diag) screen coupled with a UB820. HDR looks good and on a screen that large from around 10' back bright scenes can be blinding.

Of course we always want more, but whenever given the chance to watch a UHD/HDR movie I 100% of the time choose the projector. It's just way more immersive than a tiny screen (anything under 100" is tiny to me now).

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by mzupeman

Sounds like justification-itis to me. We’re going to prescribe a couple of 1,000 nit mastered HDR films viewed on proper equipment, and that should help dissipate the hysteria. If not, come back and we’ll follow up with further treatments

Be careful with that justification-itis, as you'll likely to catch some once that 65Z9F of yours arrives.

[knicolai]

Originally Posted by GiuseppeM

https://www.whathifi.com/reviews/pan...-ub9000-review

Not even an honorable mention of 3D capabilities in that review - as though "Who could possibly be interested in 3D?" "3D... what's that?"

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Mobe1969

I'm so sick of hearing about brightness and TV's. It is insane. And when you are talking a wide field of view projector screen, and the fact your eyes have irises that for one instant in time can only have one setting, if part of the image is too bright in one spot you are not going to be able to see any dark or detail. Sure they might be able to emulate it, and if you paused and blotted out the bright bit so your Iris could adjust you could, but that doesn't matter in watching video. I don't need a TV that can replicate me staring into the sun. I had a hard enough time adjusting to my projector brightness, and run it at 60% Iris closed, low lamp.

Well, the discussion isn't going away any time soon because of the absolute luminance system that's at the heart of PQ-based HDR formats. This content is being mastered with specific code levels and if those code levels cannot be reached then the content must be tone mapped. The less brightness you have - and I'm not just talking about peaks for the brightest speculars but average scene level as well which is crucially important for correctly rendering lower brightness HDR content - then the more aggressive the tone mapping must be and this is where projectors and lower brightness direct-view displays have been at a distinct disadvantage with HDR, leading to a cottage industry of custom curves that override the inbuilt ones as well as the clamouring for a proper outboard mapping solution like the newer Pannys.

You don't want to hear this but the human eye is remarkably adaptable however, I mean you'll get bombarded with more nits walking out of your front door every day than the ~2000 nits peak that my TV can output, not that it does that for every second of every scene because that sort of brightness is reserved for the brightest speculars and NOT the whole image from top to bottom. HDR is capable of incredibly realistic looking images and the brightness range is directly tied into that, it's not going to be to everyone's taste but it really is the sort of thing that once people get used to, it makes everything else look dull and flat in comparison.