Lawrence of Arabia (1962)

[MPeriolat]

For fun question: has anyone who has seen Lawrence in P&S actually count as having seen the movie? Given what I know of Sir David Lean and his style of movie making, I have seen a version of Lawrence then, but not the REAL movie. I look forward to this opportunity to rediscover a collection and pad my collection of classic movies.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by yojoeski

Forgive me for being skeptical given this title's history of "release dates." Do you have something personal against me? This is the second or third time you've tried to start something with me. Perhaps I'm mistaking you for someone else but unless someone else has that same dog picture in their avatar, then no I'm not mistaken. If you have something personal against me, PM it and get it off this thread. Otherwise do not open your mouth to me again unless you intend to engage in a civil discussion about the topic at hand.

I have nothing personal against anybody. Why would I?
I was just merely passing on the good news, that anything LoA really won't concern you since you've stated, numerous times, that you won't "believe it until it's in your hands". Your words.
How is me quoting what you said, uncivil?

Edit: PM sent, per request.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by metal134

Just did. Quite a difference between 11 hours and 4 hours.

Obviously, but the point is compression will start to occur. Pretty much everything I've read on previous 200+ minute movies being split over 2 discs has been in favor of this choice. I see the term "allowing it to breathe" used, quite often in these cases. So after all the restorative work that's been done on this, I would rather they spread the movie over 2 discs...then appease the "I don't feel like getting up & changing the disc" crowd.

[Banned User]

Hopefully Sony will do the right thing here and release the same discs in the special edition and a regular edition. Warner always pisses me off when they punish those who don't want a bulky boxset with useless trinkets by leaving off special features on the regular editions.

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Obviously, but the point is compression will start to occur. Pretty much everything I've read on previous 200+ minute movies being split over 2 discs has been in favor of this choice. I see the term "allowing it to breathe" used, quite often in these cases. So after all the restorative work that's been done on this, I would rather they spread the movie over 2 discs...then appease the "I don't feel like getting up & changing the disc" crowd.

While I'm pretty optimistic that this will look amazing, I do still agree and would prefer it be on 2 discs to just give me a little more reassurance that it's the best it could possibly look on the format. You just know that if anyone finds faults with the PQ or even AQ that it will be blamed on it being on a single disc and not two.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

While I'm pretty optimistic that this will look amazing, I do still agree and would prefer it be on 2 discs to just give me a little more reassurance that it's the best it could possibly look on the format. You just know that if anyone finds faults with the PQ or even AQ that it will be blamed on it being on a single disc and not two.

Great point!
With 3 BDs(and the 4th audio BD), why wouldn't they spilt it over 2 discs? There can't be that many extras, that it would warrant 2 BD just for extras...and this is coming from a total extras enthusiast!!

[metal134]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Great point!
With 3 BDs(and the 4th audio BD), why wouldn't they spilt it over 2 discs? There can't be that many extras, that it would warrant 2 BD just for extras...and this is coming from a total extras enthusiast!!

I have a Donnie Darko set that's 4 discs.

[metal134]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Obviously, but the point is compression will start to occur. Pretty much everything I've read on previous 200+ minute movies being split over 2 discs has been in favor of this choice. I see the term "allowing it to breathe" used, quite often in these cases. So after all the restorative work that's been done on this, I would rather they spread the movie over 2 discs...then appease the "I don't feel like getting up & changing the disc" crowd.

Don't see why compression should be needed to fit 200 minutes on 50 GB. That's a HUGE amount of space. Honestly, I don't really care about having to get up and change the disc, I get up enough times during the course of a movie to go to the bathroom, get a soda, put the dog out, whatever. But I still like to have the movie altogether, in one disc and in one piece. I honestly feel that there would be no discernible difference, save by placebo effect, between having it on one disc and spreading it over two.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by metal134

I have a Donnie Darko set that's 4 discs.

Yeah but not 4 BDs. Unless my US 10th Anniversary set is lacking?

Originally Posted by metal134

Don't see why compression should be needed to fit 200 minutes on 50 GB. That's a HUGE amount of space. Honestly, I don't really care about having to get up and change the disc, I get up enough times during the course of a movie to go to the bathroom, get a soda, put the dog out, whatever. But I still like to have the movie altogether, in one disc and in one piece. I honestly feel that there would be no discernible difference, save by placebo effect, between having it on one disc and spreading it over two.

I don't know how these discs are being authored, but you have to take into account: different languages, commentaries, subtitles, etc. all take up space on the disc. So now that 227 minutes of movie data, coupled with all the other data on the disc starts to fill up quickly. You have to keep in mind compression artifacts might not be so bad on sub 50" screens, but when you start climbing into the very large screens, these will be noticed much more.
Anything over 3hrs, IMO, should be split over 2 discs. As mentioned, it's just one less thing that the overly discerning BD crowd can't hold against a particular release.
So I guess we'll find out once the exact technical details are released.

[whitesheik]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Yeah but not 4 BDs. Unless my US 10th Anniversary set is lacking?



I don't know how these discs are being authored, but you have to take into account: different languages, commentaries, subtitles, etc. all take up space on the disc. So now that 227 minutes of movie data, coupled with all the other data on the disc starts to fill up quickly. You have to keep in mind compression artifacts might not be so bad on sub 50" screens, but when you start climbing into the very large screens, these will be noticed much more.
Anything over 3hrs, IMO, should be split over 2 discs. As mentioned, it's just one less thing that the overly discerning BD crowd can't hold against a particular release.
So I guess we'll find out once the exact technical details are released.

So even thought the film may fit perfectly well on a BD 50, which, as stated, is plenty of room for the film and supplements, people here will still complain just because it's not on two discs, even though it would make NO DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER in the authoring quality? Just trying to understand the mindset here, not that I ever will. I've read complaints from the DVD Beaver, who always feels he must mention and in a derogatory way, when a bare-bones ninety minute movie is on a BD25. It would look no different on a BD 50 - no different. Period.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by whitesheik

So even thought the film may fit perfectly well on a BD 50, which, as stated, is plenty of room for the film and supplements, people here will still complain just because it's not on two discs, even though it would make NO DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER in the authoring quality? Just trying to understand the mindset here, not that I ever will. I've read complaints from the DVD Beaver, who always feels he must mention and in a derogatory way, when a bare-bones ninety minute movie is on a BD25. It would look no different on a BD 50 - no different. Period.

As I stated, I'm not the authoring engineer of this release. Your questions would be better served over at HTF, and perhaps RAH could provide a more definitive response.
Also as I stated, I don't how the discs are going to be set up. I'm sure we'll eventually get a data breakdown of the discs, and I'm very interested to see that. Until then, we'll just have to wait and see what is announced.

[metal134]

Originally Posted by whitesheik

So even thought the film may fit perfectly well on a BD 50, which, as stated, is plenty of room for the film and supplements, people here will still complain just because it's not on two discs, even though it would make NO DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER in the authoring quality? Just trying to understand the mindset here, not that I ever will. I've read complaints from the DVD Beaver, who always feels he must mention and in a derogatory way, when a bare-bones ninety minute movie is on a BD25. It would look no different on a BD 50 - no different. Period.

I'm telling you man, it's placebo.

[The Duke]

Originally Posted by rickah88

As I stated, I'm not the authoring engineer of this release. Your questions would be better served over at HTF, and perhaps RAH could provide a more definitive response.
Also as I stated, I don't how the discs are going to be set up. I'm sure we'll eventually get a data breakdown of the discs, and I'm very interested to see that. Until then, we'll just have to wait and see what is announced.

I would prefer the movie be spread out over 2 BDs just to make certain it has plenty of room, and because having to get up and change the disc is no issue for me - I always spread a viewing of LoA over 2 evenings, too much for one sitting. But I'm pretty sure it will be released on 1 disc. The listing for the UK BD is 1 disc, and in posting the Sony Press Release for LoA on BD, HighDefDiscNews claimed "It also appears that a single-disc version will be released as it’s listed on Sony’s press site. Tech specs for the release include full 1080p Hi-Def video in the 2.20:1 aspect ratio and DTS-HD 5.1 Master Audio sound. Both versions will come with an UltraViolet digital copy of the film. The main difference between the box set and the single-disc version is that only one of the bonus materials will be included on the single-disc version; a picture-in-graphics track."

Also, Robert A Harris posted on AVSforum -

I note that the single vs. two disc discussion continues.

Having viewed the film on a single disc, albeit without audio ( which takes up very little space) I seen no problems.

RAH

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by The Duke

I would prefer the movie be spread out over 2 BDs just to make certain it has plenty of room, and because having to get up and change the disc is no issue for me - I always spread a viewing of LoA over 2 evenings, too much for one sitting. But I'm pretty sure it will be released on 1 disc. The listing for the UK BD is 1 disc, and in posting the Sony Press Release for LoA on BD, HighDefDiscNews claimed "It also appears that a single-disc version will be released as it’s listed on Sony’s press site. Tech specs for the release include full 1080p Hi-Def video in the 2.20:1 aspect ratio and DTS-HD 5.1 Master Audio sound. Both versions will come with an UltraViolet digital copy of the film. The main difference between the box set and the single-disc version is that only one of the bonus materials will be included on the single-disc version; a picture-in-graphics track."

Also, Robert A Harris posted on AVSforum -

If the powers that be have approved it, and they are satisfied with the end result...I will be as well.
So with 3BDs', there are 2BD's of extras? That sounds pretty extreme!

[The Duke]

Originally Posted by rickah88

If the powers that be have approved it, and they are satisfied with the end result...I will be as well.
So with 3BDs', there are 2BD's of extras? That sounds pretty extreme!

Well, we saw the preliminary artwork showing 4 discs, and the listing here on blu-ray.com still lists & shows 4 discs. But the actual press release from Sony says "The film will be available in a Blu-ray™ 3-disc collectible boxed set starting November 13th from Sony Pictures Home Entertainment."

The consensus is that 1 disc is a CD of the soundtrack. If it is only a 3 disc set, then the 3rd disc would be the CD and the 2nd could be a BD25 for the extra features, as there is a sizable list:

Secrets of Arabia: A Picture-in-Graphics Track [ Blu-ray EXCLUSIVE]
Peter O’Toole Revisits “Lawrence of Arabia” [ Blu-ray EXCLUSIVE]
Making of Lawrence of Arabia
A Conversation with Steven Speilberg
Maan, Jordan: The Camels Are Cast (1 of 4 Original Featurettes)
Advertising Campaigns
Original Newsreel Footage of the New York Premiere
Vintage Featurettes In Search of Lawrence
Vintage Featurettes Romance of Arabia (Newly Restored)

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by The Duke

Well, we saw the preliminary artwork showing 4 discs, and the listing here on blu-ray.com still lists & shows 4 discs. But the actual press release from Sony says "The film will be available in a Blu-ray™ 3-disc collectible boxed set starting November 13th from Sony Pictures Home Entertainment."

The consensus is that 1 disc is a CD of the soundtrack. If it is only a 3 disc set, then the 3rd disc would be the CD and the 2nd could be a BD25 for the extra features, as there is a sizable list:

Secrets of Arabia: A Picture-in-Graphics Track [ Blu-ray EXCLUSIVE]
Peter O’Toole Revisits “Lawrence of Arabia” [ Blu-ray EXCLUSIVE]
Making of Lawrence of Arabia
A Conversation with Steven Speilberg
Maan, Jordan: The Camels Are Cast (1 of 4 Original Featurettes)
Advertising Campaigns
Original Newsreel Footage of the New York Premiere
Vintage Featurettes In Search of Lawrence
Vintage Featurettes Romance of Arabia (Newly Restored)

I was under the impression that it was the 3-disc set with a CD(BD audio perhaps) added to the mix, bringing the total to 4 discs. And obviously the picture shows 4 BDs, so there's that.
Again, not complaining, not in the least, if this is or is not the case. I'm just kind of scratching my head IF: the movie is on 1 disc, and there are still 2 more BDs, plus the CD.
The plot thickens!
Which, I suppose, is par for the course with LoA after all this time!
Either way, I'm very pleased with everything I've seen so far.

Also I'll be keeping my 2-disc SE dvd. It's, perhaps, one of the best cases w/artwork I've owned. I love the canvas feel and look of this version. It's going to sit nicely next to the BD in my display case!

[worldchmps]

What will the specs be of the UK version? It appears it'll be released as a regular BD, not a collector's version, for about $19 US total. I'm more inclined to get that version as I don't have room for large box sets. But will it be one disc or two and will will the extras be, if any?

[The Duke]

Originally Posted by worldchmps

What will the specs be of the UK version? It appears it'll be released as a regular BD, not a collector's version, for about $19 US total. I'm more inclined to get that version as I don't have room for large box sets. But will it be one disc or two and will will the extras be, if any?

The UK release is Sept. 10, 2 months before the US release. This is all they have for specs at this point:

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Lawre...Blu-ray/30759/



Video:
Video codec: TBA
Video resolution: 1080p
Original aspect ratio: 2.20:1

Audio:
TBA

Subtitles:
English, Spanish, Hindi

Disc:
Blu-ray Disc
UV digital copy

Packaging:
Slipcover in original pressing

Playback:
Region B (A, C untested)

- It will be region free, Sony owns the worldwide rights. Amazon UK current price is £11.20, under US$20 delivered.

[paper tiger]

Originally Posted by The Duke

The UK release is Sept. 10, 2 months before the US release. This is all they have for specs at this point:

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Lawre...Blu-ray/30759/



Video:
Video codec: TBA
Video resolution: 1080p
Original aspect ratio: 2.20:1

Audio:
TBA

Subtitles:
English, Spanish, Hindi

Disc:
Blu-ray Disc
UV digital copy

Packaging:
Slipcover in original pressing

Playback:
Region B (A, C untested)

- It will be region free, Sony owns the worldwide rights. Amazon UK current price is £11.20, under US$20 delivered.

I may just pick up this single-disc UK version. I would love the US collector's set, however even after shipping the single-disc import price is just right.

[I KEEL YOU]

The more I think about it, the more I am sure that Lawrence Of Arabia can fit on only one disc and have amazing picture quality, because it's widescreen. I've never seen it, but Troy has received 5 out of 5 for picture quality here and it only has a video bit rate of 11.78 mbps! That's insane, not even half of an average video bit rate for a DVD. Plus Troy was on an inferior VC-1 codec. I think that LoA can just manage to squeeze a 22 mbps video bit rate.