Lawrence of Arabia (1962)

[GxyExpress999]

Originally Posted by Alucard64

Under special features ( not product details) it says two disc edition. I called Amazon and asked about the change, that this is not what I ordered, and that the picture and info were for a different edition. The person I spoke with couldn't give me any information. Guess I'll just keep checking before it ships. Just in case, I ordered the special edition from Amazon UK.

I think the "special features" section was simply carried over from the old 2-disc DVD info so we probably don't have to worry about it.

[punisher]

MY UK set arrived today..will update later....nice to have it 2 months ahead of US release....shipped 9/10 arrived here in NY 9/17...

[benricci]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Do we have a spoiler-allowed Lawrence thread? Love to chat about it, but not going to do so here.

The movie is 50 years old, I think it's safe to forgo "spoiler" warnings at this point...

[Mahatma]

Originally Posted by benricci

The movie is 50 years old, I think it's safe to forgo "spoiler" warnings at this point...

Maybe wait until region A release...Not really a movie which gets spoiled if some scenes get revealed before viewing though...

[punisher]

just go to the UK thread here at the forum

[Mahatma]

Originally Posted by punisher

just go to the UK thread here at the forum

not much happening there at the moment

[punisher]

probably will not get a chance to watch it tonight but as soon as i do I will update what it's like audio/video.

[worldchmps]

Just got my BD from the UK in the mail. Have we figured out yet if the UK and US versions are the same or different? I know there was some question as to whether the US version came with a second disc or not. Are they the same, just with different covers or different? I'm glad to have this early, but if they're the same, other than getting it early, I'm not sure there was any other plus to getting the UK version.

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by worldchmps

Just got my BD from the UK in the mail. Have we figured out yet if the UK and US versions are the same or different? I know there was some question as to whether the US version came with a second disc or not. Are they the same, just with different covers or different? I'm glad to have this early, but if they're the same, other than getting it early, I'm not sure there was any other plus to getting the UK version.

Should be exactly the same content/transfer-wise. The discs will likely be labeled correctly in the US version however (Disc 2 is the feature film in the UK one, and the special features Disc 1)

[worldchmps]

So all the special features will be the same? Everything is identical?

I didn't realize the discs were misnumbered as I haven't opened the case yet.

[Dubstar]

Originally Posted by punisher

MY UK set arrived today..will update later....nice to have it 2 months ahead of US release....shipped 9/10 arrived here in NY 9/17...

damn you..

I was hoping my copy would have arrived today as well - oh well.

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by worldchmps

So all the special features will be the same? Everything is identical?

I didn't realize the discs were misnumbered as I haven't opened the case yet.

I haven't heard anything that indicates any differences between the two.

This is what the UK description says at Amazon:


DISC 1:

Feature Film, including overture, intermission, entr’acte and exit music
Newly re-mastered 5.1 English audio
Secrets of Arabia: A Picture-in-Graphic Track

DISC 2:

Featurettes:

- “Peter O’Toole Revisits Lawrence of Arabia” - All-New Interview
- “The Making of Lawrence of Arabia” documentary
- “A Conversation with Steven Spielberg”
- “The Camels Are Cast”
- “In Search of Lawrence”
- “Romance of Arabia”

Newsreel Footage of the New York Premiere
Advertising Campaigns


This is what the US one says:

Two disc set
Four original featurettes: "Wind, Sand and Star: The Making of a Classic," "Maan, Jordan: The Camels Are Cast," "In Search of Lawrence" and "Romance of Arabia"
Exclusive Documentary: "The Making of Lawrence of Arabia"
A Conversation with Steven Spielberg
Original Newsreel Footage of the New York Premiere
Advertising Campaigns
Talent Files

[worldchmps]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

I haven't heard anything that indicates any differences between the two.

This is what the UK description says at Amazon:


DISC 1:

Feature Film, including overture, intermission, entr’acte and exit music
Newly re-mastered 5.1 English audio
Secrets of Arabia: A Picture-in-Graphic Track

DISC 2:

Featurettes:

- “Peter O’Toole Revisits Lawrence of Arabia” - All-New Interview
- “The Making of Lawrence of Arabia” documentary
- “A Conversation with Steven Spielberg”
- “The Camels Are Cast”
- “In Search of Lawrence”
- “Romance of Arabia”

Newsreel Footage of the New York Premiere
Advertising Campaigns


This is what the US one says:

Two disc set
Four original featurettes: "Wind, Sand and Star: The Making of a Classic," "Maan, Jordan: The Camels Are Cast," "In Search of Lawrence" and "Romance of Arabia"
Exclusive Documentary: "The Making of Lawrence of Arabia"
A Conversation with Steven Spielberg
Original Newsreel Footage of the New York Premiere
Advertising Campaigns
Talent Files

The only thing I don't see in the US release is the 'Peter O'Toole revisits "Lawrence of Arabia'" feature.

Are the specs identical? The Amazon website shows the US version has 216 minutes, while the UK version has 227 minutes. Also, Amazon shows the US version as being 2.35:1 while the UK version shows as 2.20:1. Are these mistakes, meaning they're really the same? Why is the UK version longer? How much of a difference is 2.35:1 vs 2.20:1?

[PBR]

Originally Posted by benricci

The movie is 50 years old, I think it's safe to forgo "spoiler" warnings at this point...

What! Your gonna tell everyone that Darth Vader is Lawrence's father? You bastard!
Mind you I'm still waiting for the 3D version! 2013 maybe?

[garyrc]

Originally Posted by worldchmps

Also, Amazon shows the US version as being 2.35:1 while the UK version shows as 2.20:1. Are these mistakes, meaning they're really the same? Why is the UK version longer? How much of a difference is 2.35:1 vs 2.20:1?

I hope Amazon is wrong about the difference in aspect ratios. 2.2:1 is very close to the original 70 mm aspect ratio (see below). That is the aspect ratio of Panavision 70 (now called Super [not Ultra] Panavision 70), in which Lawrence was filmed. 2.35:1 would be the 35 mm version.

To my eye there is a significant difference. I think 2.2:1, which originated with Todd-AO, is the best looking aspect ratio. Also, if they use nearly the full image width on the negative, 2.35:1 would crop off a bit of the height of the image, either both top & bottom or just the bottom (hopefully not just the top!). IMO, 2.35:1 only makes sense for those films shot in 2.35:1, and 2.2:1 for those films shot in 2.2:1. [I am aware that the "2.20:1" or "2.2:1" aspect ratio is sometimes reported, probably correctly, as 2.21:1. That's a negligible difference that is ignored in most articles I have seen.]

In the original 70 mm theaters, films shot and presented in 2.2:1, like Lawrence, didn't seem to call attention to their shape, and, when sitting fairly close to the screen, it was possible (for me, at least) to become very immersed while losing awareness of the shape of the image, and even the edges of the frame. I didn't experience this with any other aspect ratio.

Two very immersive films that were shot in 2.2:1 and presented -- in their 70 mm versions -- in about 2.2:1 are Around the World in 80 Days (1956) and 2001: A Space Odyssey

[Mahatma]

Originally Posted by garyrc

I hope Amazon is wrong about the difference in aspect ratios. 2.2:1 is very close to the original 70 mm aspect ratio (see below). That is the aspect ratio of Panavision 70 (now called Super [not Ultra] Panavision 70), in which Lawrence was filmed. 2.35:1 would be the 35 mm version.

To my eye there is a significant difference. I think 2.2:1, which originated with Todd-AO, is the best looking aspect ratio. Also, if they use nearly the full image width on the negative, 2.35:1 would crop off a bit of the height of the image, either both top & bottom or just the bottom (hopefully not just the top!). IMO, 2.35:1 only makes sense for those films shot in 2.35:1, and 2.2:1 for those films shot in 2.2:1. [I am aware that the "2.20:1" or "2.2:1" aspect ratio is sometimes reported, probably correctly, as 2.21:1. That's a negligible difference that is ignored in most articles I have seen.]

In the original 70 mm theaters, films shot and presented in 2.2:1, like Lawrence, didn't seem to call attention to their shape, and, when sitting fairly close to the screen, it was possible (for me, at least) to become very immersed while losing awareness of the shape of the image, and even the edges of the frame. I didn't experience this with any other aspect ratio.

Two very immersive films that were shot in 2.2:1 and presented -- in their 70 mm versions -- in about 2.2:1 are Around the World in 80 Days (1956) and 2001: A Space Odyssey

It looks to me more like 2.2:1 rather than 2.35:1.Looks a stunner though,and colours has been updated,and those wash-out effects in or near the tent in the DVD version has also been addressed.

[MifuneFan]

Just noticed this is coming to the big screen on Oct. 4th! It is put together by Fathom Events though so I'm not sure if I should be concerned or not.

Edit: I notice this has been posted already, and it'll be shown in either 2K or 4K depending on the theatre. Here's press release again:


http://www.fathomevents.com/classics...px?d=10/4/2012

Lawrence of Arabia 50th Anniversary Event: Digitally Restored
10/04/2012


One of the most popular and influential films in the history of cinema returns to the silver screen with Lawrence of Arabia 50th Anniversary Event: Digitally Restored on Thursday, October 4 at 7:00 PM local time, with special matinees in select theaters.

Presented by NCM® Fathom Events and Sony Pictures Entertainment, the restoration of the Director’s Cut of the film was overseen by Grover Crisp, Sony Pictures Entertainment Executive Vice President Asset Management, Film Restoration & Digital Mastering and conducted with the latest digital imaging technology. The original 65mm camera negative was first scanned at 8K. The film then underwent a painstaking process of repairing and restoring problems inherent to the 50-year-old film elements. Finally, the film went through a 4K color grading and re-mastering process at Colorworks Sony Pictures Entertainments’ digital intermediate facility.

This special event features an exclusive introduction from Lawrence of Arabia star and Academy Award® nominee Omar Sharif, newsreel footage of the New York premiere, as well as footage of King Hussein visiting the film set. In addition, Academy Award® winning Director Martin Scorsese will talk about the over-arching themes of Lawrence of Arabia and its influence on other iconic films in a recent, exclusive never-before-seen interview.

Winner of seven Academy Awards®, including Best Picture of 1962, Lawrence of Arabia is considered one of the most timeless and essential motion picture masterpieces. The greatest achievement of its legendary, Oscar-winning director David Lean, the film has been honored as the No. 7 film on the American Film Institute’s (AFI) list of the “100 Greatest Movies of All Time.”

Don’t miss your chance to see this valiant desert classic for only one day and celebrate the release of the Lawrence of Arabia 50th Anniversary Collector’s Edition Blu-ray Gift Set available November 13, 2012.


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Lawrence of Arabia is rated PG and will be shown in its original aspect ratio of 2.20. Bonus content not rated.

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[ShellOilJunior]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

Just noticed this is coming to the big screen on Oct. 4th! It is put together by Fathom Events though so I'm not sure if I should be concerned or not.

It's legit. It'll be in 2k or 4k depending on theater equipment. No satellite beam crap.

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

I just got my UK BD today in the mail!!!

Everything about this is gorgeous, from the transfer to the slipcover! I'm so happy I went with this. The only downside is that I don't want to watch it until the theater screening in a couple weeks. Gonna have to have a lot of willpower!

[ShellOilJunior]

Originally Posted by Aragorn84

I just got my UK BD today in the mail!!!

Everything about this is gorgeous, from the transfer to the slipcover! I'm so happy I went with this. The only downside is that I don't want to watch it until the theater screening in a couple weeks. Gonna have to have a lot of willpower!

Just do it! I watched the blu the day it arrived. I'm still going to the 10/4 screenings. It's LOA!