Vudu Launches 4K Dolby Vision, Dolby Atmos Video Streams

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Adam_ME

Anyone know where some of these VUDU UHD titles are? I saw Fury Road, The Hangover Trilogy, Vacation, and a few others listed, but they're not showing up on the VUDU app on the Roku 4. The only ones I see are the original 12 plus Get Hard.

Are they up yet?

[raygendreau]

If you want to see them in Dolby Vision, you need a Vizio Dolby Vision TV.

http://www.dolby.com/us/en/brands/dolby-vision.html

Stream Dolby Vision Content

Content mastered in Dolby Vision will be available first on streaming services like VUDU. Use the app on your Dolby Vision enabled TV to watch the latest movies.

[Mr.Poindexter]

Originally Posted by McCrutchy

Agreed. This seems like a lot of cash for a glorified computer hard drive that can only serve one real purpose. I guess if you had some terminal disease that meant you could not actually get out of your bed to select a disc off of the shelf and put it in a player, then it would be an excellent idea. Plus, when you do finally kick off, you could be buried with it, obviously providing a cut-out space for it in your luxurious customized coffin.

You are not buying a hard drive. That is not a hard drive any more than a Tesla or Ferarri is a set of tires. Comparing hardware with zero value on the IP and software is missing the value of what they have created.

If we are going to go that route, $30 for an UHD 4K BR is a lot of money to pay for a 10 cent piece of plastic.

[Mr.Poindexter]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Geez , I think I’m way out of my league here in this Kaleidescape thread as I’m humbly in the midst of trying to do a tax exchange ((in order to delay paying taxes) after the sale of a 70 acre piece of property…I’m guessing you wealthy Kaleidescape guys don’t have to worry about being so thrifty.

In fact, I’m scrambling right now to attend a freebie just for the finger food and networking.

Do your 1031 exchange. The land prices are crazy and you likely have a ton of capital gains on 70 acres, but you can now afford the Kaleidescape!

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Mr.Poindexter

Do your 1031 exchange. The land prices are crazy and you likely have a ton of capital gains on 70 acres, but you can now afford the Kaleidescape!

you must belong to the ‘K-Club’ !

Undoubtedly (to the bolding above), as it was a 7 figure sale….thing is though to completely avoid taxes the way I understand it, my accountant says I’ve got to put the money right back into another piece of property and make it my (our ) primary residence for awhile…which is cumbersome at the moment but we’re looking at a couple places right down the road.

[Mr.Poindexter]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

you must belong to the ‘K-Club’ !

Undoubtedly (to the bolding above), as it was a 7 figure sale….thing is though to completely avoid taxes the way I understand it, my accountant says I’ve got to put the money right back into another piece of property and make it my (our ) primary residence for awhile…which is cumbersome at the moment but we’re looking at a couple places right down the road.

I am a member of the 'K-Club' three times over. The first rule of K-Club is to always talk about K-Club, lol.

It sounds like you will be buying a farm in the near future...

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Mr.Poindexter

I am a member of the 'K-Club' three times over. The first rule of K-Club is to always talk about K-Club, lol.

I admit I’m a little jealous as to an elitist Club which I don’t belong too. Keep us informed.

Originally Posted by Mr.Poindexter

It sounds like you will be buying a farm in the near future...

About the exchange, nope, not a farm ….but considering purchasing yet another house in southern California but larger and higher up da hill (for the ocean view) on a comfortable sized lot should cover the tax avoidance.

The difficulty lies in finding a place which is only slightly more expensive than the sale of the 70 acres in order that we don’t have to come up with additional out-of-pocket money which we could use for other things (e.g. experiences, vacations) to attain happiness according to the happiness Harvard experts….
http://fox13now.com/2015/11/20/money...d-study-shows/

[samukas]

I don't think there's any difference between VUDU's streaming and download options. Except that with download you might get the highest tier as with streaming it might drop if you're connection can't keep up. Last time I checked it topped at 9-10Mbps for 1080p.

Never seen a Kaleidescape with my own eyes (unfortunately!) but it's irrelevant. They use, bit for bit, the Blu-Ray encodes. So somewhere between 20-32Mbps in average? Although some blu-rays did go up to 40Mbps, not sure if that's the case anymore.

So a movie download on Kaleidescape would be 2 to 3 times slower on the same conditions.

[BLindsay]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

I hope that one day VUDU and Netflix would offer lossless audio tracks that are bit for bit exactly the same as the studio master. More cities are rolling out 100Gbps, 10Gbps, and 1Gbps Internet around the United States. There is plenty of bandwidth for streaming high bit rate 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray images with lossless audio.

The average internet speed in the US is like 33mbps right now. We are a LONG way off from being ready for streaming studio masters.

Heck I life just outside of Boston and the best I can get is 150/150 before the price becomes insane

[HDTV1080P]

Internet speeds will keep increasing around the United States and many other areas of the world, while at the same time the price will keep falling. More and more cities are getting 100Gbps, 10Gbps, and 1Gbps upload and download speed. Now residential 10Gbps speed is around $299 a month which is an excellent price, but still out of the price range of many consumers. However, some Internet providers offer 1Gbps Internet speed for only $70 a month. I know people that are paying around $70 a month for around 10Mbps download speed in a rural area for ADSL service (rural areas cost more for Internet).

There is like 100+ cities in the USA now that offer 1Gbps Internet service over fiber, including small cities of around 11,000 people and cities in Alaska.

In several years in the future 10Gbps or higher Internet speed will become the norm and 1Gbps speed will become entry level at prices around $50 or less. Streaming 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray discs with lossless audio could become a reality soon, if the video providers upgrade to 100Gbps routers, switches, etc.

[dvdmike]

It's less about speed, it is all about download caps

[raygendreau]

There seems to be some movement toward exempting home entertainment data (streaming/downloading) from data caps. ISPs like Time Warner in CA have no data caps.

Netflix seems conflicted, having pushed for exemption in Australia, getting it, then backing off saying all data should be treated the same, without throttling or other restrictions.

Recently Netflix complained about Comcast exempting Xfinity subscribers from data caps while subjecting the Netflix streams to data caps.

It is all wrapped up in Net Neutrality. It is up to the FCC. There are several lawsuits in the works from ISPs.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

There seems to be some movement toward exempting home entertainment data (streaming/downloading) from data caps. ISPs like Time Warner in CA have no data caps.

Netflix seems conflicted, having pushed for exemption in Australia, getting it, then backing off saying all data should be treated the same, without throttling or other restrictions.

Recently Netflix complained about Comcast exempting Xfinity subscribers from data caps while subjecting the Netflix streams to data caps.

It is all wrapped up in Net Neutrality. It is up to the FCC. There are several lawsuits in the works from ISPs.

That is a big step forward

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

Internet speeds will keep increasing around the United States and many other areas of the world, while at the same time the price will keep falling. More and more cities are getting 100Gbps, 10Gbps, and 1Gbps upload and download speed. Now residential 10Gbps speed is around $299 a month which is an excellent price, but still out of the price range of many consumers. However, some Internet providers offer 1Gbps Internet speed for only $70 a month. I know people that are paying around $70 a month for around 10Mbps download speed in a rural area for ADSL service (rural areas cost more for Internet).

There is like 100+ cities in the USA now that offer 1Gbps Internet service over fiber, including small cities of around 11,000 people and cities in Alaska.

In several years in the future 10Gbps or higher Internet speed will become the norm and 1Gbps speed will become entry level at prices around $50 or less. Streaming 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray discs with lossless audio could become a reality soon, if the video providers upgrade to 100Gbps routers, switches, etc.

Kaleidescape recommends 1 Gbps connection for their service. I suspect some owners get by with less.

[samukas]

With 1Gbps it takes about 7 minutes tops to download a Full BD image, if my math's right.
Doesn't seem to bad to wait a few minutes to watch a movie in the best possible quality.
I guess I would have a hard time with my 10Mbps connection

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by samukas

With 1Gbps it takes about 7 minutes tops to download a Full BD image, if my math's right.
Doesn't seem to bad to wait a few minutes to watch a movie in the best possible quality.
I guess I would have a hard time with my 10Mbps connection

It's a plan ahead deal, or go for a lower bitrate one.
Plus you can rip your own obviously

[Mr.Poindexter]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Kaleidescape recommends 1 Gbps connection for their service. I suspect some owners get by with less.

I think they recommend 1Gbps networking switches. They do not recommend a 1Gbps connection to the Internet as their store caps out at 100mbit. Also, the sustained write speed for their premier line is 100mbit. I have not yet seen the sustained write speed of their 4K server, as the player is not shipping yet so no point getting a Terra Server without the Strato player to go with it.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Mr.Poindexter

I think they recommend 1Gbps networking switches. They do not recommend a 1Gbps connection to the Internet as their store caps out at 100mbit. Also, the sustained write speed for their premier line is 100mbit. I have not yet seen the sustained write speed of their 4K server, as the player is not shipping yet so no point getting a Terra Server without the Strato player to go with it.

Thanks, I see that now. I've been reading through the system FAQs. The 1 Gb is for the wired LAN.

So, internet connection speed is not an issue.

Is pro installation going to be a requirement for Stratos or could you self install?

The Strato looks like it could be a competitor if it had a UHD disc drive. On the other hand, Kaleidescape is right to be cautious.

http://www.kaleidescape.com/files/da...vie-Player.pdf

[BIslander]

I am curious about the audio on the Dolby Vision Vizio Reference sets. It is my understanding that the Vudu app has DD+ Atmos encoded tracks. How do they get sent over ARC, which is supposedly limited to S/PDIF and doesn't support DD+?

[Kris Deering]

Originally Posted by BIslander

I am curious about the audio on the Dolby Vision Vizio Reference sets. It is my understanding that the Vudu app has DD+ Atmos encoded tracks. How do they get sent over ARC, which is supposedly limited to S/PDIF and doesn't support DD+?

Atmos won't work under those circumstances. You'd have to feed the Roku into a AV processor or receiver that does Atmos and then the video to the display. In the case of the internal app for the Vizio Reference, I am not sure what limitations its HDMI output has on audio.