Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[baghdadlion]

Originally Posted by Packerfan75

Most people just don't care about HD audio and video like the people in these forums. It's not worth the extra investment to them.

Fixed that for you

[nic727]

There will be an invasion of Blue Ray





For true, I don't know... HFR 3D Bluray in 4k?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by nic727

There will be an invasion of Blue Ray

^ spotted eagle ray, to be precise.

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https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Ray-Blu-ray/34417/ http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cmv8Y_P-Vq...ray_bluray.jpg

[RyanPom]

Movies will stream wifi into your brain?

[Packerfan75]

Originally Posted by baghdadlion

Fixed that for you

I never bothered to take a consensus so I wasn't comfortable with "most".

[Steedeel]

http://www.businessinsider.com/cord-...-of-tv-2013-11

Backs up every one of my fears and arguments. This is where streaming is leading us IMO. Especially worrying is the stats for people abandoning tv for mobile. It makes worrying about streaming HD replacing bluray seem irrelevant.

[Steedeel]

http://www.businessinsider.com/cord-...-of-tv-2013-11

This may be the future. I have posted this link elsewhere but I think it's relevant to this thread also. I have warned you guys but you just dismiss me.

[ijustblumyself]

I think once 4K blu-rays become the norm (if they ever do), that will be the last form of physical media when it comes to film and TV.

[octagon]

Worryies about streaming replacing BD have always seemed irrelevant.

And worries about people abandoning TV sets just seem silly.

Nielsen: 5 Million U.S. Homes Don't Have Pay TV, Over-the-Air TV


Nielsen said that slightly more than five million homes didn't subscribe to pay-TV services and didn't view over-the-air TV as of the end of 2012, up from two million in 2007. Its data also showed that the number of pay-TV homes declined by 1.1 percent to 102.3 million.

That sounds pretty dire, doesn't it?

Or does it? The article goes on to say...

"Most people watch TV in their living rooms using traditional cable or satellite options," the research firm said. "In fact, more than 95 percent of Americans get their information and entertainment that way. But as we explored what the other 5 percent are doing, we found some interesting consumer behaviors that we want to keep an eye on. This small group of video enthusiasts is tuning out traditional TV -- and the trend is growing."

About 75 percent of these people do have at least one TV set, but they don't subscribe to pay-TV services and also don't use over-the-air TV, but about two-thirds stream content from the likes of Netflix on their sets, according to Nielsen. Others watch online TV content via computers, tablets and smartphones.

So even three-quarters of the people supposedly 'abandoning tv' have at least one tv set?

I gotta tell ya, that doesn't exactly strike fear in my tv-lovin' heart.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by octagon

Worryies about streaming replacing BD have always seemed irrelevant.

And worries about people abandoning TV sets just seem silly.

Nielsen: 5 Million U.S. Homes Don't Have Pay TV, Over-the-Air TV


Nielsen said that slightly more than five million homes didn't subscribe to pay-TV services and didn't view over-the-air TV as of the end of 2012, up from two million in 2007. Its data also showed that the number of pay-TV homes declined by 1.1 percent to 102.3 million.

That sounds pretty dire, doesn't it?

Or does it? The article goes on to say...

"Most people watch TV in their living rooms using traditional cable or satellite options," the research firm said. "In fact, more than 95 percent of Americans get their information and entertainment that way. But as we explored what the other 5 percent are doing, we found some interesting consumer behaviors that we want to keep an eye on. This small group of video enthusiasts is tuning out traditional TV -- and the trend is growing."

About 75 percent of these people do have at least one TV set, but they don't subscribe to pay-TV services and also don't use over-the-air TV, but about two-thirds stream content from the likes of Netflix on their sets, according to Nielsen. Others watch online TV content via computers, tablets and smartphones.

So even three-quarters of the people supposedly 'abandoning tv' have at least one tv set?

I gotta tell ya, that doesn't exactly strike fear in my tv-lovin' heart.

The article clearly states people abandoning tv for mobile. That trend may accelerate. I have image of myself in my 50's having no living room entertainment, sitting twiddling my thumbs and wondering how people could abandon movies and tv. You don't worry about such things, I do!

The article even says people are abandoning broadband and using hotspots. What is happening to this world entertainment wise? It's a mess.
Maybe things like chromecast and some similar apple product will reignite interest from the pirate generation.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

The article clearly states people abandoning tv for mobile. That trend may accelerate. I have image of myself in my 50's having no living room entertainment, sitting twiddling my thumbs and wondering how people could abandon movies and tv. You don't worry about such things, I do!

The article even says people are abandoning broadband and using hotspots. What is happening to this world entertainment wise? It's a mess.
Maybe things like chromecast and some similar apple product will reignite interest from the pirate generation.

They are not abandoning TV, just watching it less because mobile is a time hog, whatever one is doing on it. Texting and social networking seem to be what they spend most of their time on it, rather than videos. If they want to watch a two hour movie then I doubt a 5 inch screen will be the preferred choice for that long a time.

[Flatnate]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

The article clearly states people abandoning tv for mobile.

I think that article lays out some valid points; but I think that statement is not looking at the bigger picture, that very statement is rather sensational.

I'll use myself as an example. By that article I do not "watch tv" (which is a crazy statement, I have PBS on right now) in that I don't subscribe to anything and I don't even receive my network television through a basic subscription. I cut that chord five years ago and watch over the air HD, and I get my cable type show programming by streaming means. Top Gear for instance doesn't have to be 1080i for me to enjoy it. I also watch content on my phone more and more during down time at work and while on the road. So am I "abandoning tv for mobile...?" By their stats yes, I am, and I'm that guy! You can make the argument, but again it isn't looking at the big picture.

That said, the crappy experience of watching stuff on my mobile device when at work, or on the road, is actually fueling my desire for physical media when watching movies at home. It's nice to get away from a small screen, immerse myself in a huge picture and surround sound. One also has to recognize that streaming lends itself better for some television content than it does movies as well.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Flatnate

I think that article lays out some valid points; but I think that statement is not looking at the bigger picture, that very statement is rather sensational.

I'll use myself as an example. By that article I do not "watch tv" (which is a crazy statement, I have PBS on right now) in that I don't subscribe to anything and I don't even receive my network television through a basic subscription. I cut that chord five years ago and watch over the air HD, and I get my cable type show programming by streaming means. Top Gear for instance doesn't have to be 1080i for me to enjoy it. I also watch content on my phone more and more during down time at work and while on the road. So am I "abandoning tv for mobile...?" By their stats yes, I am, and I'm that guy! You can make the argument, but again it isn't looking at the big picture.

That said, the crappy experience of watching stuff on my mobile device when at work, or on the road, is actually fueling my desire for physical media when watching movies at home. It's nice to get away from a small screen, immerse myself in a huge picture and surround sound. One also has to recognize that streaming lends itself better for some television content than it does movies as well.

So the article makes some valid points yet I bring up those exact same points and I am not taken seriously? How does that work? I have been bringing up the mobile threat for a couple of years now. Streaming is not a nice little sideline for home cinema.. It is a wrecking ball that will cater to the lowest levels of HD on fiddly little screens and soon to be smartwatches. The industry Is heading in the same way as audio. Crappy quality on crappy little mobile devices.

[Flatnate]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

So the article makes some valid points yet I bring up those exact same points and I am not taken seriously? How does that work? I have been bringing up the mobile threat for a couple of years now. Streaming is not a nice little sideline for home cinema.. It is a wrecking ball that will cater to the lowest levels of HD on fiddly little screens and soon to be smartwatches. The industry Is heading in the same way as audio. Crappy quality on crappy little mobile devices.

It isn't that I don't take you seriously, or that I don't think that the article has some valid points that back up your concern. I just think that there is more going on behind some of the stats being thrown around when yourself, or anyone makes the argument that streaming and mobile devices will essentially be the death nail to quality and physical media.

Let's look at audio. We still got the Pink Floyd 30th Anniversery SACD released this last year. I am a huge NIN fan, and although the new album isn't available on SACD, I can get it on vinyl and high quality FLAC download (I'm actually okay with a high enough quality download, although we don't have something like that which rivals Blu-Ray yet). As far as regular CD goes, they are not on as many store shelves (I'll give you that) but I can still buy almost any new popular release I want on CD over at Amazon. The reality is that now more than ever I have the ability to become serious about quality audio; and it isn't like my hands are tied for options like as if I missed the boat on all of it eight years ago.

I don't think streaming is a "sideline for home cinema", OR a "wrecking ball." I dunno man, I'm not trying to be a jerk arguing with you, its just I haven't seen the quality drop for most of what I want, assuming I'm willing to seek it out and and pay for it, and I don't think that will happen for video as well..... again assuming I'm willing to pay for it.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Flatnate

It isn't that I don't take you seriously, or that I don't think that the article has some valid points that back up your concern. I just think that there is more going on behind some of the stats being thrown around when yourself, or anyone makes the argument that streaming and mobile devices will essentially be the death nail to quality and physical media.

Let's look at audio. We still got the Pink Floyd 30th Anniversery SACD released this last year. I am a huge NIN fan, and although the new album isn't available on SACD, I can get it on vinyl and high quality FLAC download (I'm actually okay with a high enough quality download, although we don't have something like that which rivals Blu-Ray yet). As far as regular CD goes, they are not on as many store shelves (I'll give you that) but I can still buy almost any new popular release I want on CD over at Amazon. The reality is that now more than ever I have the ability to become serious about quality audio; and it isn't like my hands are tied for options like as if I missed the boat on all of it eight years ago.

I don't think streaming is a "sideline for home cinema", OR a "wrecking ball." I dunno man, I'm not trying to be a jerk arguing with you, its just I haven't seen the quality drop for most of what I want, assuming I'm willing to seek it out and and pay for it, and I don't think that will happen for video as well..... again assuming I'm willing to pay for it.

Sorry my fault. I was speaking in general terms not directly at you. Should of worded it much better.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

The article clearly states people abandoning tv for mobile.

No, the article does not say that.

The article says that 95% of US viewers still get their tv the old-fashioned way.

The article goes on to say that the small number of people who are not getting their tv through cable or satellite or OTA broadcasts are still watching tv. They're just watching it differently. 75% of them own at least one tv and two-thirds of them are simply connecting a netflix box (or the like) to their tvs instead of a cable box.

Now, that might be cause for a great deal of hand-wringing at Time-Warner but it is of precious little concern to me.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

So the article makes some valid points yet I bring up those exact same points and I am not taken seriously? How does that work?

Speaking only for myself, I find it difficult to take some of your rhetoric seriously because of its strident black-and-white, all-or-nothing, no-middle-ground nature.

A guy on his way to work can watch an episode of Weeds on the bus without 'abandoning tv'. He doesn't have to pick sides. He can buy tablets and tvs and laptops and phones and get utility from all of them. He can watch some stuff on Blu-ray and other stuff over cable and still other stuff via the dreaded internet and the world will spin merrily on.

And frankly, some of your doomsaying simply begs to be dismissed.

How Television Has Changed Over 10 Years

The infographic itself looks at the last seven years of television sales, as well as projections for the next three. And it may be the size statistics — not those concerning sales — that surprise you. An average television in 2004 was 27 inches, a figure that's since grown to 37. The average size is projected to reach 60 inches by 2015. Especially given that the newest technologies in 3D television have only captured a small portion of the market, the sheer amount of wall real estate our televisions occupy stands out as remarkable.

In less than ten years (during a world-wide recession, no less) the average tv screen has grown by almost a foot in the US.

And yet you would have people believe that Americans are on the verge of abandoning their television sets in favor of their watches.

That's not just difficult to take seriously.

That's impossible to take seriously.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by octagon

No, the article does not say that.

The article says that 95% of US viewers still get their tv the old-fashioned way.

The article goes on to say that the small number of people who are not getting their tv through cable or satellite or OTA broadcasts are still watching tv. They're just watching it differently. 75% of them own at least one tv and two-thirds of them are simply connecting a netflix box (or the like) to their tvs instead of a cable box.

Now, that might be cause for a great deal of hand-wringing at Time-Warner but it is of precious little concern to me.



Speaking only for myself, I find it difficult to take some of your rhetoric seriously because of its strident black-and-white, all-or-nothing, no-middle-ground nature.

A guy on his way to work can watch an episode of Weeds on the bus without 'abandoning tv'. He doesn't have to pick sides. He can buy tablets and tvs and laptops and phones and get utility from all of them. He can watch some stuff on Blu-ray and other stuff over cable and still other stuff via the dreaded internet and the world will spin merrily on.

And frankly, some of your doomsaying simply begs to be dismissed.

How Television Has Changed Over 10 Years

The infographic itself looks at the last seven years of television sales, as well as projections for the next three. And it may be the size statistics — not those concerning sales — that surprise you. An average television in 2004 was 27 inches, a figure that's since grown to 37. The average size is projected to reach 60 inches by 2015. Especially given that the newest technologies in 3D television have only captured a small portion of the market, the sheer amount of wall real estate our televisions occupy stands out as remarkable.

In less than ten years (during a world-wide recession, no less) the average tv screen has grown by almost a foot in the US.

And yet you would have people believe that Americans are on the verge of abandoning their television sets in favor of their watches.

That's not just difficult to take seriously.

That's impossible to take seriously.

Did you read the whole article? It clearly states that!

It's the business insider link I am referring to.

[JavaJulien]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

By now I think most people have HDTVs so the only investment anymore is simply buying a BD player, which can be easily found for under $100 and also serves multiple purposes as a replacement DVD player and a media hub for streaming channels.

Yeah now, but when the Blu-ray format was first released, those tvs were not affordable.

Blu-rays also had the misfortune of being the first format to launch when the internet age was going strong. So it's contending with people who stream or download movies and people who just outright watch pirated copies.

So not only did Blu-Rays have to fight off the initial steep investments, it also had to deal with the "I don't see the difference" crowds, the growth of digital movies and streaming, stream box services like Roku and AppleTV. and people who just pirate movies online.

This is why I think Blu-Ray is going to be the last popular format.

[dissident]

Originally Posted by Dragonraine

I think we will see something new in the next 6-7 years or so.

spot on, champ. Bluray's successor will be out around the 2015 time frame. These predictions of 50-60 years were just silly and people back then making them should have known better.