List of UHDs that utilize 4K or Higher Masters

[puddy77]

Penton, Geoff, HD Goofnut, et al,

I find this incredibly interesting because of the complexities of modern film making. Maybe it's all semantics. Should the criteria of the list be clarified? What now constitutes a 4k master? Should there be tiers or lots of qualifying asterisks?

Are you guys saying that the most important element to calling a movie truly 4k is the usage of 4k or higher original camera elements (digitally captured at that resolution or film scanned at that resolution)? And fx resolution matters less?

4k or higher camera elements + 4k rendered fx = 4k master
4k or higher camera elements + 2k rendered fx upscaled to 4k = 4k master?
Lower than 4k camera elements upscaled to 4k + 4k rendered fx ≠ 4k master?
Lower than 4k camera elements upscaled to 4k + 2k rendered fx upscaled to 4k ≠ 4k master?

If we consider The Martian for this list, must we also add Exodus: Gods and Kings? It was shot the same way. And it is also a Fox film. So can we assume they are using the same process to create the new 4k master according to that Fox exec's tweet?

And do we assume all studios are going back to original camera elements for these new 4k masters like Fox? Then could we add Ender's Game, Pacific Rim, and Man of Steel?

Should Sicario and Maze Runner be removed or clarified?

Also, just a tangential question: Has anyone heard if the studios are re-rendering fully CGI films like Peanuts and The Lego Movie to 4k? Or will they just be a 2k to 4k upscale?

[cms382]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

It's kinda all they have that would actually look great and use the format fully

Cinderella would look great too with the all the colorful costumes.

[Richard Paul]

Originally Posted by puddy77

I find this incredibly interesting because of the complexities of modern film making. Maybe it's all semantics. Should the criteria of the list be clarified? What now constitutes a 4k master? Should there be tiers or lots of qualifying asterisks?

It probably should be clarified into something like this:

4K everything
4K excluding special effects
4K excluding special effects and with a camera that is less than 4K

Originally Posted by puddy77

If we consider The Martian for this list, must we also add Exodus: Gods and Kings? It was shot the same way. And it is also a Fox film. So can we assume they are using the same process to create the new 4k master according to that Fox exec's tweet?

That would give the studios a great reason to be vague about it. As such the assumption should be that it is 2K unless the studio specifically says that it was redone in 4K.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by puddy77

Penton, Geoff, HD Goofnut, et al,

I find this incredibly interesting because of the complexities of modern film making. Maybe it's all semantics....

Geoff has already learned, since you’re willing to and without prejudice, 4K ‘DI’ and vfx - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...d#post10965985

[Opips3]

What you make for supper?

Yes foods are upscales for big.

Okay let's eat foods. I taste badly upscales...what the hell upscaled foods?

[Esox50]

Originally Posted by Opips3

What you make for supper?

Yes foods are upscales for big.

Okay let's eat foods. I taste badly upscales...what the hell upscaled foods?

[Opips3]

Originally Posted by Esox50

Yes crazy 2K upscaled to 4K..give you taste badly?

[bruceames]

If a UHD BD movie has a decent amount of actual 4K resolution, then I think it should be on some list. Since I'm not going to be enjoying HDR for another year or two, I will have to strongly base my buying decisions on those movies with have (at least some) 4K resolution. So a useful list in that regard would be helpful, to help guide me in the right direction. If The Martian UHD BD is gonna have some 4K in it, then that's good enough for me.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by ray0414

Im curious why pineapple express is in the list, yet has a 2k DI. Is it because it was filmed on 35MM?

Its crazy, would anyone actually buy pineapple express over the martian? ive seen both in HDR, and the martian by far is better quality than Pineapple Express. I also put The Martian ahead of hancock that also has a 4k DI too. I also put the Martian WAYY ahead of Mazerunner 1 that has a 4k DI. the DI is extremely misleading when it comes to these 4k discs!! Get my drift?

All the Sony titles now have a 4k master

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by puddy77

Penton...

Yesterday, (Sunday) your past post reminded me of Light Iron, which did On Any Sunday: The Next Chapter (4K finish despite not being listed as such on imdb - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2872570/...ef_=tt_dt_spec ) but verified on Blu-ray.com, here….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...y#post10107534

which reminded me of the vimeo from Light Iron which I posted here on Blu-ray.com a couple years ago. I’m referring in particular to this video clip on workflow…

https://vimeo.com/78581143


for those still not understanding the Finn tweet, skip to ~ 12:57 timestamp and think of the Ultra HD Blu-ray for The Martian as a Dolby HDR build using the RAW camera files but not scaling down to 2K-ish like was done with ‘Ender’s...and then grading in the 4K domain.

(Note: the Angenieux zooms for The Martian covered a 5K image).

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Opips3

What you make for supper?
Yes foods are upscales for big.
Okay let's eat foods. I taste badly upscales...what the hell upscaled foods?

You say you’re looking for a node in commercial software for uprezing 1080 to 2160? …..p. 537 -
http://thefoundry.s3.amazonaws.com/p...renceGuide.pdf


Need more food? -> http://community.thefoundry.co.uk/di...rum.aspx?f=189

[Opips3]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

You say you’re looking for a node in commercial software for uprezing 1080 to 2160? …..p. 537 -
http://thefoundry.s3.amazonaws.com/p...renceGuide.pdf


Need more food? -> http://community.thefoundry.co.uk/di...rum.aspx?f=189

Thanks Penton-Man

A genius book. I put in book iPad. I fascinating the book. Amazing!!

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Yesterday, (Sunday) your past post reminded me of Light Iron, which did On Any Sunday: The Next Chapter (4K finish despite not being listed as such on imdb - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2872570/...ef_=tt_dt_spec ) but verified on Blu-ray.com, here….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...y#post10107534

which reminded me of the vimeo from Light Iron which I posted here on Blu-ray.com a couple years ago. I’m referring in particular to this video clip on workflow…

https://vimeo.com/78581143


for those still not understanding the Finn tweet, skip to ~ 12:57 timestamp and think of the Ultra HD Blu-ray for The Martian as a Dolby HDR build using the RAW camera files but not scaling down to 2K-ish like was done with ‘Ender’s...and then grading in the 4K domain.

(Note: the Angenieux zooms for The Martian covered a 5K image).

that video was very interesting. I like how they said the film was actually mastered in P3 color but they trimmed it down to 709 for blu ray. So im going to guess that the UHD HDR version is probably using that P3 version and then HDR graded, taking it to a completely different level than the blu ray version.

[Geoff D]

ray, movies have been finished at P3 and boiled down to 709 for consumer HD for a while now.

[dvdmike]

So why not just remove the last step. Why knock it thru HDR passes at all?

[eriaur]

ACES on Chappie

We shot 'CHAPPiE' with Panavision Anamorphic lenses. There's a beautiful cinematic quality to Panavision anamorphics that I love so much. It adds a human touch and takes the edge off the digital sensors.

Chappie was shot with RED Epic cameras. The raw r3d (REDcode) files were brought into the DCI-P3 color space to take advantage of the wide color gamut of digital cinema projection. ACES has a lut (color look up table) that takes the flat looking, raw footage from digital cinema cameras and adjusts the color to a pleasing baseline film-look.

When converting from one color space to another, ACES can help. If you’re converting your finished film from the DCI-P3 color space to HDTV or Blu-ray files in Rec. 709 color space, ACES will automatically adjust the color for you. ACES will also allow you to fine tune the color as needed after the conversion. This can save a lot of time spent adjusting color for projects that require multiple delivery formats.

https://www.fxguide.com/featured/sig...day-3-and-out/

IMDb lists 40+ films today as being finished in ACES. Feeney said that we are at a tipping point now with studios asking for HDR deliverables to protect for future device support. As Visual Effects already uses many of the core concepts like linear light and many of the original contributors to the standard were from visual effects, the transition should be easier.

Feeney posed the question: if a vfx facility has a robust color pipeline in shop - why switch to ACES? He related the all to common story of the vfx crew seeing a film in theatre and seeing a crushed, totally different look than they had worked on. Sometimes due to making vfx facility shots blend in DI. Sometimes it is a creative decision. ACES should eliminate the first problem and protect integrity of work that you do.

Chris Davies, technical director, Skylab (“Chappie", “Elysium”) represented the DI side of things. The pipeline is ever changing in fact the projects he discussed were about two years old. So future proofing is key. He has used ACES on 10 features, commercials, documentaries and more.

Michael Whipple, executive director, post production technologies, Sony Pictures Entertainment was up next and he got involved with ACES very early because the of the Sony electronics development of the F65 in 2011. Sony wanted to use ACES for this new high end camera.
He found it saves money with less compositing issues showing up in DI. He has finished more than ten features in ACES and is already using older ACES archives to create new HDR content. Also stressed the importance of archive saying it seems to come up a lot. Studios are requiring higher quality archives for future display tech.

[dvdmike]

Hopefully Hail Caesar is day and date, that is a confirmed 4k master

[eriaur]

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by eriaur

ACES

Developed by a small but dedicated group
Note: that particular ^ included ACES explanation link on the Academy site has expired since 2012.

[Tompa]

Originally Posted by Opips3

What you make for supper?

Yes foods are upscales for big.

Okay let's eat foods. I taste badly upscales...what the hell upscaled foods?

How about this, you write in your native language and then we can google translate it for better accuracy, ok?