List of UHDs that utilize 4K or Higher Masters

[Ray_Rogers]

Great thread since I'm intentionally only buying UHD titles which use 4K or higher masters. If it only used 2K on UHD, I'd rather just get the Blu-ray.

[eddievanhalen]

It's a pitty Oblivion didn't have a 4K finish, it looks fantastic on Blu ray, but it would have been really awesome on UHD if it was 4K native, but unfortunately it will be a 2k-To-4K upscale.
I think I'll buy it anyway on UHD BD.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Ray_Rogers

Great thread since I'm intentionally only buying UHD titles which use 4K or higher masters. If it only used 2K on UHD, I'd rather just get the Blu-ray.

What is the first most obvious difference you see when playing a title using 4K master versus a title upconverted from 2K master?

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Ray_Rogers

Great thread since I'm intentionally only buying UHD titles which use 4K or higher masters. If it only used 2K on UHD, I'd rather just get the Blu-ray.

But that mindset overlooks the key benefits of UHD which in my opinion are much bigger improvements than just spatial resolution alone: 10-bit WCG and HDR. And, as luck would have it, most of the 2K upscales I've seen so far do actually have *more* detail than the regular Blu-ray anyway, though given the sort of seating distance that most people have I'm not surprised that it's not being picked up on.

Quite honestly, I've been more impressed by some of the 2K upscales in my collection like Lego and Kingsman than I have by "true" 4K finishes like ASM2 or Chappie.

[elwaylite]

I was gonna take that stance, but HDR matters more than the resolution IMO. I also think the more we see these "true 4K" flicks, 1080p people benefit too. The Revenant looked great regardless of the format.

A film fan I know with a nice JVC FP only watched The Revenant in 1080p/blu on a 100" screen, and it was one of the best images he has seen clarity wise.

[Ray_Rogers]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

But that mindset overlooks the key benefits of UHD which in my opinion are much bigger improvements than just spatial resolution alone: 10-bit WCG and HDR. And, as luck would have it, most of the 2K upscales I've seen so far do actually have *more* detail than the regular Blu-ray anyway, though given the sort of seating distance that most people have I'm not surprised that it's not being picked up on.

Quite honestly, I've been more impressed by some of the 2K upscales in my collection like Lego and Kingsman than I have by "true" 4K finishes like ASM2 or Chappie.

TBH, I'm kicking myself in the pants I don't even have the proper funds to watch UHD titles properly. Just buying the UHD + BD combinations since I only have the means to watch Blu-ray and more for future-proofing...
Aiming to upgrade my computer hardware, not the current self-built but the next one, to be fully UHD compatible. I can wait and I need to find a friend who has a properly calibrated UHD set-up too.

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by elwaylite

I was gonna take that stance, but HDR matters more than the resolution IMO. I also think the more we see these "true 4K" flicks, 1080p people benefit too. The Revenant looked great regardless of the format.

A film fan I know with a nice JVC FP only watched The Revenant in 1080p/blu on a 100" screen, and it was one of the best images he has seen clarity wise.

I think alot of people underestimate the positive effect of native 4k resolution. Native 4k when combined with hdr is incredible. 1080p combined with hdr will not have the impact of native 4k hdr (not upscaled).

For a small experiment, on your uhd player, change the resolution to 1080p. The player will downscale the 4k hdr movie to 1080p and then your tv will re-up scale it to 4k. Quite a bit of color vibrancy is lost when you do this. Tvs aren't able to correctly "guess" the resolution and hdr color of all those extra pixels with the same impact as if it was native.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by ray0414

I think alot of people underestimate the positive effect of native 4k resolution. Native 4k when combined with hdr is incredible. 1080p combined with hdr will not have the impact of native 4k hdr (not upscaled).

For a small experiment, on your uhd player, change the resolution to 1080p. The player will downscale the 4k hdr movie to 1080p and then your tv will re-up scale it to 4k. Quite a bit of color vibrancy is lost when you do this. Tvs aren't able to correctly "guess" the resolution and hdr color of all those extra pixels with the same impact as if it was native.

But is HDR something that belongs to the original film or something added later on?

[Pieter V]

https://www.sony.co.uk/pro/article/d...pocalypse-2016

[uther]

Originally Posted by elwaylite

I was gonna take that stance, but HDR matters more than the resolution IMO..

Yeah the fall back position when it turns out a lot of the upscales have the same level of detail as 1080p. Last time I looked the thread title is 4k or Higher Masters not HDR is Good Enough.

Originally Posted by RockyIII

But is HDR something that belongs to the original film or something added later on?

The production has to shot with HDR cameras to get the exaggerated 'hotness' otherwise the cameras only recorded within the SDR color space. HDR cameras have only been available in the last few years. Some studios will be tempted to fake it however...

[elwaylite]

Originally Posted by uther

Yeah the fall back position when it turns out a lot of the upscales have the same level of detail as 1080p. Last time I looked the thread title is 4k or Higher Masters not HDR is Good Enough.

You should not assume you have a clue as to what I mean, so don't say it is a fall back position.

After learning more about the spec, before the first disc release, I changed that tune. It is not hard to understand (or maybe it is) that HDR and the wider color gamut are a large benefit.

And I know exactly what the title of the thread is smartass, I've been in it a long while. My response was directly to a poster stating they were only going to buy 4K DI material, a view I shared until I learned more about what was going on. HDR and WCG are a different story.

As far as scaled UHD discs looking like 1080p, I am watching on a 65" display from 9 feet, 2160p only will not offer any benefit, or little if any.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by uther

Yeah the fall back position when it turns out a lot of the upscales have the same level of detail as 1080p. Last time I looked the thread title is 4k or Higher Masters not HDR is Good Enough.



The production has to shot with HDR cameras to get the 'hotness' otherwise the cameras only recorded within the SDR color space. HDR cameras have only been available in the last few years. Some studios will be tempted to fake it however...

My concern is that we might have some "bogus" HDR titles coming out because of-as you said-some studios might be tempted to fake it

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

[Show spoiler]

https://www.sony.co.uk/pro/article/d...pocalypse-2016

Done.

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Done.

Does this automatically mean the DI is 4k and is what will be used for the home video grading?

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by uther

Yeah the fall back position when it turns out a lot of the upscales have the same level of detail as 1080p. Last time I looked the thread title is 4k or Higher Masters not HDR is Good Enough.



The production has to shot with HDR cameras to get the exaggerated 'hotness' otherwise the cameras only recorded within the SDR color space. HDR cameras have only been available in the last few years. Some studios will be tempted to fake it however...

There is no such thing as an HDR camera. The higher dynamic range had always been present in the original footage but was unable to properly extracted and properly shown. Sure, some cameras capture more than others, but they all have it.

[Opips3]

X-men Apocalypse was 4K DI. AWESOME! Awesome!

[Show spoiler]

[m3racer123]

Originally Posted by Opips3

X-men Apocalypse was 4K DI. AWESOME! Awesome!

[Show spoiler]

Opips3 the cat being scraped along carpet. AWESOME! Awesome!

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by ray0414

I think alot of people underestimate the positive effect of native 4k resolution. Native 4k when combined with hdr is incredible. 1080p combined with hdr will not have the impact of native 4k hdr (not upscaled).

For a small experiment, on your uhd player, change the resolution to 1080p. The player will downscale the 4k hdr movie to 1080p and then your tv will re-up scale it to 4k. Quite a bit of color vibrancy is lost when you do this. Tvs aren't able to correctly "guess" the resolution and hdr color of all those extra pixels with the same impact as if it was native.

If I change the res to 1080p on my player it bumps UHD down to 8-bit SDR 709 but it's not throwing everything away because 1080p can't do that, it's just what the player does.

The content providers could actually put a native 1080p signal encoded in 10-bit WCG with HDR on a UHD disc if they so wished because it's part of the UHD spec, and IMO that would still make a huge difference compared to a normal 8-bit SDR 709 Blu-ray.

Me, I'm loving HDR and WCG so much that true 4K res is just the icing on the cake.

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

If I change the res to 1080p on my player it bumps UHD down to 8-bit SDR 709 but it's not throwing everything away because 1080p can't do that, it's just what the player does.

The content providers could actually put a native 1080p signal encoded in 10-bit WCG with HDR on a UHD disc if they so wished because it's part of the UHD spec, and IMO that would still make a huge difference compared to a normal 8-bit SDR 709 Blu-ray.

Me, I'm loving HDR and WCG so much that true 4K res is just the icing on the cake.

It would be better than regular blu ray, but not to the extent that 4k is The extra true pixels do make a difference with hdr and I think alot of people are overlooking it. It's no coincidence that the best hdr movies I've seen so far have come from the 4k DI movies, with kingsman and life of pi following closely, but technically they are upscaled and not 1080p pixels. (The hdr grading is applied to 4k pixels in studio whether native or not, according to the fox PR guy)

[elwaylite]

I thought some of the detail in Deadpool's uniform on the hwy stuff, and when he was sitting in the cab, was pretty dang sharp.