List of UHDs that utilize 4K or Higher Masters

[underpaidorphan]

I'm pretty new to this and this is going to be a stupid question...

But this list is basically saying the listed movies were original shot in 4K? So they will benefit the most from their 4K blu ray discs? Rather than a movie that was shot in 2K (or something) and being upscaled or "fake" 4K?

I'm interested in Oblivion, Watchmen, and Life of Pi (but none of them are on this list)...

[MattPerdue]

Originally Posted by underpaidorphan

I'm pretty new to this and this is going to be a stupid question...

But this list is basically saying the listed movies were original shot in 4K? So they will benefit the most from their 4K blu ray discs? Rather than a movie that was shot in 2K (or something) and being upscaled or "fake" 4K?

I'm interested in Oblivion, Watchmen, and Life of Pi (but none of them are on this list)...

If it's on the list it has a 4K master. If it's not then it doesn't. Although something like BvS might still be preliminary 2K. That film had a 4K finish but all of the 35mm footage (which is the bulk of the film) was scanned at 2K. But it's still technically a 4K master so it counts.

[puddy77]

Originally Posted by underpaidorphan

I'm pretty new to this and this is going to be a stupid question...

But this list is basically saying the listed movies were original shot in 4K? So they will benefit the most from their 4K blu ray discs? Rather than a movie that was shot in 2K (or something) and being upscaled or "fake" 4K?

I'm interested in Oblivion, Watchmen, and Life of Pi (but none of them are on this list)...

This is not a list of movies shot in 4k. There are actually a lot more of those than what are here. This is a list of movies that have a 4k master, also known as a digital intermediate, or 4k scan if it was finished on film.

A movie can be shot in all sorts of digital resolutions from 2k to 8k. And if it was shot on film, 35mm film can be scanned at 2k to 4k, and 65mm film can be scanned from 4k to 12k. That footage must be edited and added to digital fx to create the final master. Ever since they've been doing it digitally, it has typically been at 2k. The ones on this list are the rare ones that have been done at 4k.

Digital fx are typically rendered at 2k. For 4k masters, those fx are usually rendered at 2k, then upscaled to 4k. Only the rarest big budget movies have any or all fx rendered at 4k or above.

Oblivion was shot at 4k but finished at 2k. Watchmen was shot on 35mm film and then finished at 2k. And Life of Pi was shot at 2.8k and finished at 2k.

If a movie was finished at 2k and released on UBD, it was probably just upscaled from 2k and regraded in HDR. But if a studio really wants to put in the time and money, it can possibly be remastered from the original elements and given a true 4k master. That is what was done with The Martian. It was shot in 5k and initially given a 2k master. For the UBD, they went back to the 5k camera files and upscaled the fx to 4k to create a new, remastered 4k DI. So far, The Martian is the only one that we know has been remastered in this way. I've got my fingers crossed that Oblivion might get the same treatment, but I have not heard any information. Without confirmation of this type of remastering, all 2k movies are assumed to be upscaled and are not on this list.

[RockyIII]

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[underpaidorphan]

Originally Posted by puddy77

This is not a list of movies shot in 4k. There are actually a lot more of those than what are here. This is a list of movies that have a 4k master, also known as a digital intermediate, or 4k scan if it was finished on film.

A movie can be shot in all sorts of digital resolutions from 2k to 8k. And if it was shot on film, 35mm film can be scanned at 2k to 4k, and 65mm film can be scanned from 4k to 12k. That footage must be edited and added to digital fx to create the final master. Ever since they've been doing it digitally, it has typically been at 2k. The ones on this list are the rare ones that have been done at 4k.

Digital fx are typically rendered at 2k. For 4k masters, those fx are usually rendered at 2k, then upscaled to 4k. Only the rarest big budget movies have any or all fx rendered at 4k or above.

Oblivion was shot at 4k but finished at 2k. Watchmen was shot on 35mm film and then finished at 2k. And Life of Pi was shot at 2.8k and finished at 2k.

If a movie was finished at 2k and released on UBD, it was probably just upscaled from 2k and regraded in HDR. But if a studio really wants to put in the time and money, it can possibly be remastered from the original elements and given a true 4k master. That is what was done with The Martian. It was shot in 5k and initially given a 2k master. For the UBD, they went back to the 5k camera files and upscaled the fx to 4k to create a new, remastered 4k DI. So far, The Martian is the only one that we know has been remastered in this way. I've got my fingers crossed that Oblivion might get the same treatment, but I have not heard any information. Without confirmation of this type of remastering, all 2k movies are assumed to be upscaled and are not on this list.

Awesome info man, appreciate it! So I would still get some benefit from 4K movies that are not on this list, such as Oblivion. It just wasn't edited/mastered in 4k resolution for the digital fx portion?

That being said, what is the point of this list? Just to get the absolute best quality out of a movie?

[RealorFake4K]

It helps those of us prioritize our purchases. I look for real 4K content before deciding on whether or not the upscale is worth the purchase. I am not a purist myself, there are plenty of upscaled UHDs that look phenomenal and I have seen a few real 4K discs that are a bit disappointing. Again mostly, it is a great jumping off point. Many factors affect our decisions, and real resolution should be a key point.

Also, VFX scales up nicely from 2K to 4K. Obviously, it depends on the original effort/quality of the CG. That's why I use 3 categories on my site. The middle typically being movies that are shot in 4K but have 2K VFX or were shot in 3.4K with limited use of VFX.

[fdny71]

Sorry if I didn't understand correctly, but movies such as Life of Pi, that are not on this list, are because that it is mastered in 2k or lower?

Thanks in advance.

[RockyIII]

Do 4K native blurays show a lot of film grain usually?

[Opips3]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Do 4K native blurays show a lot of film grain usually?

Better than DNR

Or

[RockyIII]

I'm not a fan of film grain...I guess sometimes that is used to avoid color gradation/posterization issues in certain content...I think they call that "dithering"

[puddy77]

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/med...se/20160803-01

The Goldcrest team worked in full 4K throughout the project, and also deployed DaVinci Resolve Studio's new high dynamic range capabilities to deliver the film in HDR for the first time. "HDR isn't just a new delivery format, it's a fantastic creative playground for production teams to deliver a completely new experience to audiences.

And from the August American Cinematographer:

Pizzey sits at the familiar hardware console of the DaVinci Resolve color-correction system. The image currently under discussion is projected onto a screen approximately 20' wide by a Barco DP4K-P projector in 4K resolution...

The film material was scanned at 4K resolution on Goldcrest’s two Arriscan film scanners, which were calibrated and set up to capture the extended density range of the Kodak Vision3 stock. The digitally originated material is kept in raw format throughout the DI process to give Pizzey and Ackroyd the maximum flexibility during the grade. With the right color science and grain management tools, the Goldcrest team notes, the film- and digital-originated shots match very closely.

[mttmax]

Originally Posted by puddy77

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/med...se/20160803-01


And from the August American Cinematographer:

Seems like more and more films that has a 4K DI, but 2K for DCP. (Deadpool, BvS, and this.)

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by mttmax

Seems like more and more films that has a 4K DI, but 2K for DCP. (Deadpool, BvS, and this.)

They don't use the DCP for home video.

[MisterXDTV]

Jason Bourne wasn't released in Dolby Vision, so what's the point of the HDR finish? Is it exclusive for Home Video?

Standard DCPs don't support HDR....

[trippledx3]

But i just spent a fortune on a hdr tv and 4k player goddamnit

[Pieter V]

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

[Show spoiler]

Done.

[Opips3]

The Neon Demon was real 4K and import DE

[Opips3]

Originally Posted by Opips3

The Neon Demon was real 4K and import DE

Who is girl on cover case??

[Deciazulado]

This thread is about UHD with high res masters not about rocking OLEDs