"Club Penton" - Ask questions to Hollywood insider "Penton-Man"

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by TruBlu06

Hi Penton Man,

According to the Indiana Jones thread Paramount...

I wouldn’t know.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Constitution 101

I felt the same way, but then I realized I'd need a new display, player, and at least $3k worth of new blu-rays. Ouch!

Discretionary spending is always a personal choice.

I can tell you that from reading the boards over the past several years, it is readily apparent that there is an overwhelming preoccupation with critiquing the presence of, the absence of, or the alteration of…. grain while watching Blu-ray movies at home, best summed up with one of the most commonly used acronyms in any audiovideo forum post or in any Blu-ray review…..that be ‘DNR’. And for those readers tired of that old hackneyed term, there are also other available words which convey the same idea, i.e.…’grain management’ or ‘texture’ for grain.

So, besides the benefit of increased picture detail with the introduction of 4k displays and 4k Blu-rays leading to a generalized superior viewing experience…another perhaps unrecognized side-benefit for serious videophiles, will be the opportunity with this advanced technology to refine one’s analysis of grain (and camera-originated noise, for that matter), during their movie watching and clearly determine whether said grain has been manipulated or not.

Be confident in your grain assessment with 4k Blu-ray!

Now, I’m not promising that with 4k you will be able to determine what were the actual grain management settings the operator used, like, for instance, the exact level (5, 10, 15, etc.) of the spatial processing, the level of the frame-to-frame (temporal) processing, or the number of frames (plus and minus) of the temporal processed frame in which averaging has taken place, or the exact patch size ( the size of the grain or noise pattern that was processed) but, it should be much easier for those grain connoisseurs out there to accurately examine the texture of Blu-ray movies, in general, when the 4k incarnations become available.

Just something for the grain aficionados to consider, when 4k Blu-rays hit the retailer shelves.

[Constitution 101]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Need? Or want? Big difference.
Do you have the best, top-of-the-line HT right now? Do you have the best mobil phone on the market right now? What your laptop/pc?
Very rare are the people that have the "latest & greatest" that technology has to offer. If you get caught up in the "I've got to have this new tech" method of thinking you'll price yourself right out of the game.
My advice: Enjoy your current set up, with blu-ray movies. There's nobody saying you have to upgrade.

Well, I can't argue w/ that. Maybe I should've written more clearly. I meant I'd NEED it to take advantage of the higher resolution, despite that the fact I don't ultimately NEED it in general(like food, shelter, clothing, etc.). Very few things in life are ultimately NEEDED. If I don't care about the higher res, then yes, I certainly don't NEED it. Being we're on a blu-ray forum w/ the current set-ups we have, I made the statement assuming most people here(including myself) are the types that will most certainly WANT to upgrade eventually(otherwise we wouldn't be on a site like this in the 1st place). I also(like most I assume) wouldn't do the "latest n greatest" thing you alluded to either. I would(like you/others) would wait for reviews, competitive pricing, careful consideration, etc.-then jump in w/ both feet. Ultimately, that's probably how a lot of us here of done it. For some reason I can't put my finger on, it seems like the time window was shorter b4 the next big thing(4K-2K) for blu-ray. It's probably that huge stack of 1080p blu's next to my 1080P TV...

[Penton-Man]

On a less technological note…a Tribute to the Best Movie Dogs of 2011 –
http://blog.moviefone.com/2011/12/20...share_facebook < Rick, your dog’s breed is well represented.

^ they all may not have picked up a coveted Golden Collar nomination (http://dogblog.dogster.com/2012/01/1...nk-should-win/) but, I think they deserve a little recognition too.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by Constitution 101

Well, I can't argue w/ that. Maybe I should've written more clearly. I meant I'd NEED it to take advantage of the higher resolution, despite that the fact I don't ultimately NEED it in general(like food, shelter, clothing, etc.). Very few things in life are ultimately NEEDED. If I don't care about the higher res, then yes, I certainly don't NEED it. Being we're on a blu-ray forum w/ the current set-ups we have, I made the statement assuming most people here(including myself) are the types that will most certainly WANT to upgrade eventually(otherwise we wouldn't be on a site like this in the 1st place). I also(like most I assume) wouldn't do the "latest n greatest" thing you alluded to either. I would(like you/others) would wait for reviews, competitive pricing, careful consideration, etc.-then jump in w/ both feet. Ultimately, that's probably how a lot of us here of done it. For some reason I can't put my finger on, it seems like the time window was shorter b4 the next big thing(4K-2K) for blu-ray. It's probably that huge stack of 1080p blu's next to my 1080P TV...

Totall agree with the "wait & see" approach. I've, almost, always been that way with tech purchases. Heck I never even got into LD! I jumped from VHS(a small collection of about 50 tapes) right into DVD(collection ballooned to about 600), now to BD.
Having spent the early part of my career building desktops/pc networks, I always use(what I dub) the "PC/OS analogy":
Waaaay back in the late 80's early 90's(for me) the price of PC's and their parts would fluctuate more than the price of gold/gas! Having been exposed to this for so long, I knew that I could buy(then) the best 486 proscessor, HD, 512k burst RAM, etc etc and then a week later it would be outdated. I always got a kick out of "mysterious warehouse fires" overseas that would cause the price of RAM to skyrocket, then it would drop a few days later. This logic hold true(again for me) for operating systems. As an avid Windows user, way back to Workgroups & New Technology I would always skip an O/S release for my pc(Win95, skipped 98, Win2000, etc).
Having said that, I apply the same logic to HT decision making. I didn't even get into the BD game until my first(and still running) PS3 back in mid '08. Since then I've slowly upgraded 2/3 tv's to HD. In doing so I bump my primary tv with the newer one. When I go to get the third replaced I'll bump all three....and when the little guy gets his own, I'll bump again. Almost like a clothing "hand-me-down" mentalitly.
Now with all that said, and by waiting out the initial "gotta have it" storm I eventually get the tech that makes me happy....and that's, pretty much, what it's all about(as you said): getting what makes you happy.
So don't ever feel that just when 4KBD comes out your existing collection will become, instantly, obsolete...because it won't! Not for years.
Plus we all know that the benchmark for any/all home video format is the release of the Star Wars trilogy on that format! Seeing as Star Wars just came out, I think we're good to go for a while!

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

On a less technological note…a Tribute to the Best Movie Dogs of 2011 –
http://blog.moviefone.com/2011/12/20...share_facebook < Rick, your dog’s breed is well represented.

^ they all may not have picked up a coveted Golden Collar nomination (http://dogblog.dogster.com/2012/01/1...nk-should-win/) but, I think they deserve a little recognition too.

Penton,
Great article(as always)! You see I'm all good with most of those quality films...the problem lies with the wife and her endless fascination with the "Buddy" films! Now don't get me wrong, they are cute...ONCE!! She is on a mission to own them all.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Totall agree with the "wait & see" approach. I've, almost, always been that way with tech purchases. Heck I never even got into LD! I jumped from VHS(a small collection of about 50 tapes) right into DVD(collection ballooned to about 600), now to BD.

I'm not letting you get away with this one, Rick.

LD predates VHS. Your choice of the latter does not indicate due reflection, simply poor taste.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

I'm not letting you get away with this one, Rick.

LD predates VHS. Your choice of the latter does not indicate due reflection, simply poor taste.

Not for the consumer market, and since the majority of blu-ray.com members were not working in labs for either JVC or MCA/Phillips in the 70's my account holds true. *makes whipping noise*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_disc

"Laserdisc was first available on the market, in Atlanta, on December 15, 1978,[5] two years after the introduction of the VHS VCR, and four years before the introduction of the CD (which is based on Laserdisc technology)."

[Constitution 101]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

I'm not letting you get away with this one, Rick.

LD predates VHS. Your choice of the latter does not indicate due reflection, simply poor taste.

Don't mention LD. It's yet another expensive collection I had to replace. The scars are deep!

[Penton-Man]

Heads-up Spidey fans….
http://www.superherohype.com/news/ar...ing-spider-man

[sharkshark]

Originally Posted by Constitution 101

Don't mention LD. It's yet another expensive collection I had to replace. The scars are deep!

Meh, I still have 200 discs, mostly stuff I can't get on any other format or containing elements not carried over to 5.25" shiny disc

[Kris Deering]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Heads-up Spidey fans….
http://www.superherohype.com/news/ar...ing-spider-man

LA and NY only huh.

[Penton-Man]

Kris, you just can’t catch a break.
First, despite preliminary indications…..in reality, no Auro-3D 11.1 sound system to sound-off Red Tails in Tukwila, WA. and now this.

Sorry, my friend , what can I say…… have an old virtual cookie –
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...at#post4476710

[RiseDarthVader]

For movies made pretty recently for example Casino Royale and Transformers that had their DI's done in 2K do you think there would be a 4K release from them for home viewing? Are studios going to bother going back to re-scan the negatives at 4K if they haven't done so already and go through the whole process to create a 4K home video release?

[Doctorossi]

Were a 4K home format to hit the market, I would hazard an educated guess that we'd be seeing a lot of upconverted releases of movies with 2K DIs for a good while.

[micks_address]

any comment on this Penton?

Sony to ditch active shutter 3D TVs?

http://www.techradar.com/news/televi...d-tvs--1059104

[Paul H]

Originally Posted by micks_address

Sony to ditch active shutter 3D TVs?

http://www.techradar.com/news/televi...d-tvs--1059104

From the above linked article:

Instead of piping Full HD images to each eye, FPR passive technolgoy cuts the pixels in half so that each eye sees 540 pixels – this means the technology is cheaper but LG insists this is not to the detriment of the 3D quality.

Can't help thinking that the push to 4K somehow has an imminent connection to a full HD solution.

[micks_address]

I guess if you can produce a 4k screen that will deliver full HD using the passive system then active shutter looses any advantage it has..

Originally Posted by Paul H

From the above linked article: Can't help thinking that the push to 4K somehow has an imminent connection to a full HD solution.

[Dennis M]

Originally Posted by sharkshark

Meh, I still have 200 discs, mostly stuff I can't get on any other format or containing elements not carried over to 5.25" shiny disc

Also the large cover art and gate folds. Miss that stuff.

[Dennis M]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

Were a 4K home format to hit the market, I would hazard an educated guess that we'd be seeing a lot of upconverted releases of movies with 2K DIs for a good while.

Think your right on this point. Most of the workflow today is 2K. 4K is just starting to be adopted. Doubt the studios will go back into their catalog and rework 2K elements, there will be exceptions of course for high grossing films.

We should except a "this day forward" approach.