"Club Penton" - Ask questions to Hollywood insider "Penton-Man"

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by neo_reloaded

It is very hard, if not impossible, to definitively prove or convince someone of something about issues below a certain threshold - there will always be outside variables. But for larger, more visible issues, screenshots + a little common sense can be a workable solution for internet-based discussion. If it's something that ACTUALLY distracts during a normal viewing (i.e., not something you had to freeze-frame, zoom, check bitrates, run low-pass filters on, etc.), then it's probably something that can be discussed in a reasonable fashion without worrying that one person's equipment is inferior or something.

My greatest visceral objection to screenshots and as to how they are presented and portrayed on some internet boards, is not as much as to their true technical significance (which is flawed in the first place, except in cases of gross comparisons/observations) for a motion picture (and the follow-up posters’ inaccurate assumptions/conclusions) but, more because of the primary motivation involved.

For me, they have turned into a *gotcha game* by a vocal minority.

•First, they post a screenshot of a real or perceived deficiency of a Blu-ray title with all the parrots racking it up to incompetence or some widespread Hollywood studio conspiracy.
•Secondly, they purposely fan the internet flames, or at least allow themselves to be used by the minions to hype something way out of proportion as to its true significance during normal real time viewing.
•Thirdly, they either encourage or else sit idly by while the minions create some internet campaign in attempts to make a multi-million dollar studio blink by issuing a re-do thus confirming their initial observations and their self-importance in life.

It has very little to do with the love of film. It has more to do with getting high, off of pointing out other peoples’ mistakes or what they perceive as mistakes in field in which I don't believe that work in.......in the first place.

This self-proclaimed motivation which was sent to me, kinda sums up the situation for me in a nutshell………….
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/3428153-post40.html

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

The importance of working in real-time as well as viewing in real-time can not be overemphasized as to how our brain perceives imagery during sincere motion picture watching.

As a rough example, this apparently is a RAW screencap of some Viper camera footage posted by "MovieSwede" (who, by the way, as far as I remember is one of the most knowledgeable and unbiased people over on AVS, so, this is in no way a slight to him).
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=261

This is a real-world example of working and viewing Viper footage with RAW on the left and color corrected on the right………..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIiQak3X_J0

[neo_reloaded]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

My greatest visceral objection to screenshots and as to how they are presented and portrayed on some internet boards, is not as much as to their true technical significance (which is flawed in the first place, except in cases of gross comparisons/observations) for a motion picture (and the follow-up posters’ inaccurate assumptions/conclusions) but, more because of the primary motivation involved.

For me, they have turned into a *gotcha game* by a vocal minority.

•First, they post a screenshot of a real or perceived deficiency of a Blu-ray title with all the parrots racking it up to incompetence or some widespread Hollywood studio conspiracy.
•Secondly, they purposely fan the internet flames, or at least allow themselves to be used by the minions to hype something way out of proportion as to its true significance during normal real time viewing.
•Thirdly, they either encourage or else sit idly by while the minions create some internet campaign in attempts to make a multi-million dollar studio blink by issuing a re-do thus confirming their initial observations and their self-importance in life.

It has very little to do with the love of film. It has more to do with getting high, off of pointing out other peoples’ mistakes or what they perceive as mistakes in field in which I don't believe that work in.......in the first place.

This self-proclaimed motivation which was sent to me, kinda sums up the situation for me in a nutshell………….
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/3428153-post40.html

Well those people obviously immediately fail the "reasonable" test. It's a shame these "self-motivated" people are tarnishing what should be a good-natured discussion about the high-def presentation of movies, but that is life - there's always someone looking to twist a situation for personal attention or ego stroking or whatever.

Hopefully over time, especially as the novelty of HD media wears off, these people will lose the attention they currently generate. I personally will not nitpick over zoomed-in still shots of all my movies - but at the same time I won't go to the other extreme and say that all criticisms are nitpicks or unfounded. There is a happy medium, and I think it can be found.

[Penton-Man]

I’m receiving a lot of PM’s from members who are ecstatic over the “demo quality” of the Blu-ray disc Speed Racer , which they are attributing to a “great transfer”.

Well, in all fairness to the processes involved, this title is a perfect example of how the major, and I mean major determining factor in how Blu-ray discs will appear in your homes, is based upon the quality of the video master, which in turn, is based upon the principal photography (and how that translates to 8 bit 4:2:0 video), which in this particular case had little or no random noise and super-saturated colors…………..

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=5185

Something I think everyone should keep in mind in regards to how things contribute (and their importance thereof) to the ultimate outcome of the product.

[Penton-Man]

Since I’ve been in the YouTube mood recently, this is a dedication (directed by David Fincher, whom I spoke about a few pages back) to fellow Qualian “divedude”, who is recovering from gastric pull-through surgery apparently for distal esophageal-GE junction carcinoma.

Hang in there ‘dude’ …………………
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kOfYLDijy8

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I’m receiving a lot of PM’s from members who are ecstatic over the “demo quality” of the Blu-ray disc Speed Racer , which they are attributing to a “great transfer”.

Well, in all fairness to the processes involved, this title is a perfect example of how the major, and I mean major determining factor in how Blu-ray discs will appear in your homes, is based upon the quality of the video master, which in turn, is based upon the principal photography (and how that translates to 8 bit 4:2:0 video), which in this particular case had little or no random noise and super-saturated colors…………..

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=5185

Something I think everyone should keep in mind in regards to how things contribute (and their importance thereof) to the ultimate outcome of the product.

It also shows that BD-50 != PQ. Especially given a very good master, and a dedicated compressionist.

Which DI did they use for the BD?

Gary

[coolmilo]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I’m receiving a lot of PM’s from members who are ecstatic over the “demo quality” of the Blu-ray disc Speed Racer , which they are attributing to a “great transfer”.

Well, in all fairness to the processes involved, this title is a perfect example of how the major, and I mean major determining factor in how Blu-ray discs will appear in your homes, is based upon the quality of the video master, which in turn, is based upon the principal photography (and how that translates to 8 bit 4:2:0 video), which in this particular case had little or no random noise and super-saturated colors…………..

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=5185

Something I think everyone should keep in mind in regards to how things contribute (and their importance thereof) to the ultimate outcome of the product.

If SR does not sell well Warner cannot blame the PQ then. I smell double-dip later on when Warner wises up and adds lossless audio to this “demo” release. I'm not even planning on renting Speed Racer until it has lossless audio. I remember that when I watched the movie in the theater I thought it had the potential of being a special experience on Blu-ray. However, without lossless I simple do not care. I’ll “demo” The Fall instead.

[Esox50]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I’m receiving a lot of PM’s from members who are ecstatic over the “demo quality” of the Blu-ray disc Speed Racer , which they are attributing to a “great transfer”.

Well, in all fairness to the processes involved, this title is a perfect example of how the major, and I mean major determining factor in how Blu-ray discs will appear in your homes, is based upon the quality of the video master, which in turn, is based upon the principal photography (and how that translates to 8 bit 4:2:0 video), which in this particular case had little or no random noise and super-saturated colors…………..

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=5185

Something I think everyone should keep in mind in regards to how things contribute (and their importance thereof) to the ultimate outcome of the product.

I'm going to wait for the zoomed in screenshots to make a final determinaton as to picture quality.

Also, does this have a signature by the director on the disc cover? If it doesn't, then it's not his vision or approved.

[Deciazulado]

Well I'm not gonna wait. I just watched some of it, compared it to recent recollections of the 2K screening demo show on the 4K at Wayne manor and declare it eye candy

I think the color and contrast popped even more than there.

Had to double check for a moment if I had mistakenly set RGB output to Full into a RGB Limited input because the colors were glowing out of my screen.

Bitrates hover between 20 and 30 during action scenes, sometimes a Good man was way way sharp and I had to skip scenes where there was more of a sweet Candy so not to overdose on the insulin while being in loupe mode and savor the "pixels" at the pace they should be.. "savored" .

As always, watched at 2PH from the Scope height. (That's about 0.85 picture widths for the metric inclined)

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I’m receiving a lot of PM’s from members who are ecstatic over the “demo quality” of the Blu-ray disc Speed Racer , which they are attributing to a “great transfer”.

Well, in all fairness to the processes involved, this title is a perfect example of how the major, and I mean major determining factor in how Blu-ray discs will appear in your homes, is based upon the quality of the video master, which in turn, is based upon the principal photography (and how that translates to 8 bit 4:2:0 video), which in this particular case had little or no random noise and super-saturated colors…………..

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=5185

Something I think everyone should keep in mind in regards to how things contribute (and their importance thereof) to the ultimate outcome of the product.

Penton,

On a realted note, please throw in a word to Disney about the GREAT job done on the Kill Bill discs. Even the "investigators" and "scientists" will have a hard time finding fault on these.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

Penton,

On a realted note, please throw in a word to Disney about the GREAT job done on the Kill Bill discs. Even the "investigators" and "scientists" will have a hard time finding fault on these.

The Blu-ray quality of Kill Bill Vol. 1 and Kill Bill Vol. 2 is directly related to the HD master which is totally dependent upon the digital intermediate (the one and only digital intermediate I might add, which is the norm unlike the unique case of Speed Racer, as I noted earlier).

Which brings up quite a humorous aside.
Regarding Quentin T., he will go down forever in Cinematographer Annals as having spoken four words which brings sheer terror to the minds of D.P.s all over the world.
You see, in reference to the Kill Bill films, the Director of Photography, Robert R. wanted to do some testing with the camera and film stocks to get a feel for textures, tones and such with the principal photography.

Well, according to Robert R., Quentin T. doesn’t believe in camera testing.
Quentin’s idea of shooting a motion picture is more like…… the lenser and Director make changes/modifications on-the-fly during the shoot. So, when Robert R. approached Quentin to ask for some time for testing, Quentin uttered the four words which will forever go down in Cinematographer Annals………………...

“Testing is for pussies”.

P.S.
Quentin finally relented and gave Robert R. something like a ½ day or a ¾ day to test the camera, lenses and film stock ( which aint much).
Turned out rather well in the end, don’t y’all think?

[Penton-Man]

P.S. #2 –
To Iceman,
Quentin was referring to kittens, of course..........for the record.

[Rob Tomlin]

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[Slec]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

P.S. #2 –
To Iceman,
Quentin was referring to kittens, of course..........for the record.

nono, you were quoting him, so its ok!

[aygie]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

The Blu-ray quality of Kill Bill Vol. 1 and Kill Bill Vol. 2 is directly related to the HD master which is totally dependent upon the digital intermediate (the one and only digital intermediate I might add, which is the norm unlike the unique case of Speed Racer, as I noted earlier).

Which brings up quite a humorous aside.
Regarding Quentin T., he will go down forever in Cinematographer Annals as having spoken four words which brings sheer terror to the minds of D.P.s all over the world.
You see, in reference to the Kill Bill films, the Director of Photography, Robert R. wanted to do some testing with the camera and film stocks to get a feel for textures, tones and such with the principal photography.

Well, according to Robert R., Quentin T. doesn’t believe in camera testing.
Quentin’s idea of shooting a motion picture is more like…… the lenser and Director make changes/modifications on-the-fly during the shoot. So, when Robert R. approached Quentin to ask for some time for testing, Quentin uttered the four words which will forever go down in Cinematographer Annals………………...

“Testing is for pussies”.

P.S.
Quentin finally relented and gave Robert R. something like a ½ day or a ¾ day to test the camera, lenses and film stock ( which aint much).
Turned out rather well in the end, don’t y’all think?

Any Gorilla can shoot digital but only a real director can shoot film.......

(Im sure he said something like that)

[iceman]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

P.S. #2 –
To Iceman,
Quentin was referring to kittens, of course..........for the record.

Of course

[Paul H]

Kudos to Miramax for the Blu-ray transfer of Kill Bill Volume 1!

Both picture and lossless sound were breathtaking and added to the excitement of the moment as I viewed it projected @ 1080P on a 110" screen.

It had such a smooth involving flow to it that it wasn't until well into the picture did I realize that the subtitles were in the 2.40:1 frame structure , just like at the movies and did not enter the "black bar" area that I mask for superior contrast perception on a 16x9 screen.

The studios foresight is commendable and needs to be emulated by all the others.

Paul

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Paul H

It had such a smooth involving flow to it that it wasn't until well into the picture did I realize that the subtitles were in the 2.40:1 frame structure , just like at the movies and did not enter the "black bar" area that I mask for superior contrast perception on a 16x9 screen.

The studios foresight is commendable and needs to be emulated by all the others.

I prefer the option where you can move them.

I actually like them in the black-bar area.

[Paul H]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

I prefer the option where you can move them.

I actually like them in the black-bar area.

Has that option been implemented on these discs?

[Blu Titan]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

I prefer the option where you can move them.

I actually like them in the black-bar area.

My wife always put the subtitles on, since her English is not the best (she came from Cuba 6 years ago). Anyways, it took me a while to get used to watching a movie with subs on. It would be great if we had the option of shifting the subs out of the picture area.