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Penton-Man · 02-23-2012, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Doctorossi

Wow, Peter..

Yeah, I don’t know what’s up with that. PeterTHX, I have to draw the line on pics of public defecation posted on this forum! Sorry, but I must put on my moderator hat and spoiler-ize your graphic depiction. Gotta go, very busy.

PeterTHX · 02-23-2012, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Yeah, I don’t know what’s up with that. PeterTHX, I have to draw the line on pics of public defecation posted on this forum! Sorry, but I must put on my moderator hat and spoiler-ize your graphic depiction. Gotta go, very busy.

Well, it's just a silhouette drawing of a dog (or coyote)! It's not as bad as those mudflaps of the women now...

But I changed it.

How about this one?

Doctorossi · 02-23-2012, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by PeterTHX

How about this one?

How about not trotting out "Apple sucks" yet again, for no apparent reason?

PeterTHX · 02-23-2012, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Doctorossi

How about not trotting out "Apple sucks" yet again, for no apparent reason?

As long as they're anti-Blu-ray and keep pushing iTunes and AppleTV as an alternative it's relevant.

People need to be reminded of this every time they buy an iProduct they are financing the war against Blu-ray and physical media.

Doctorossi · 02-23-2012, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by PeterTHX

As long as they're anti-Blu-ray and keep pushing iTunes and AppleTV as an alternative it's relevant.

It's not relevant to what we were talking about at the time.

I mean, you're welcome to change the subject all you want, but that one's a little tired around here, don't you think? We all know how we all feel.

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Originally Posted by PeterTHX

People need to be reminded of this every time they buy an iProduct they are financing the war against Blu-ray and physical media.

I use my iPhone to order Blu-rays. They cancel each other out and leave me in a state of semi-Blu.

PeterTHX · 02-23-2012, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Doctorossi

I mean, you're welcome to change the subject all you want, but that one's a little tired around here, don't you think? We all know how we all feel.

We all?

Doctorossi · 02-23-2012, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by PeterTHX

We all?

I'm not saying we all feel the same; I'm saying we're all very aware of each other's varied individual opinions.

... and how unlikely any of them are to change.

ZoetMB · 02-24-2012, 02:12 AM

Why does anyone think that DRM hurts artists? I don't like DRM, but it most definitely does not hurt artists, but it's all a moot point because for the most part, Apple DOES NOT USE DRM anymore.

Besides, even when they used it, it wasn't Apple who wanted to implement DRM, it was the insistence of the record labels. Blame them.

What hurts artists is people stealing music via illegal downloads, giving MP3 files to their friends, posting music that they don't own on YouTube and other places and the fact that most people now buy singles instead of albums. While they certainly have the right to purchase singles, that change in consumer behavior, more than anything else, is what has destroyed the record industry for which revenue in the U.S. is now below 50% of its 1999 peak even without considering inflation.

You know why concert tickets for big acts are priced at several hundred dollars? It's because the acts can no longer rely upon the records business for any income.

As for BD, I don't know what watching BDs on a small computer screen gets you other than the fact that if you don't buy a combo pack, you won't be able to use your BD to watch the movie when you're not at home. But my reality is that when I watch BD, I want the big screen and I want the multichannel sound. I can't get that on my computer anyway. The biggest issue for me with Apple not supporting BD is lacking the ability to burn my own content to BD.

If Apple doesn't want to embed a BD player in their computers, that's their business. Rumor has it that future Apple laptops will have no optical drive whatsoever. I'm sorry to see that happen, but I can always buy an external DVD burner. But I do think Apple should support BD reading/burning in the OS. That way third parties can produce hardware where Apple doesn't want to.

Kris Deering · 02-24-2012, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Yes, we should all concentrate on a common enemy:

The anti-Blu company Apple and their cult, I mean buyers.

I love my Mac and all my Apple components (of which I have quite a few of) and it in NO WAY impeeds my love of Blu-ray or high def content.

PeterTHX · 02-24-2012, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ZoetMB

Why does anyone think that DRM hurts artists? I don't like DRM, but it most definitely does not hurt artists, but it's all a moot point because for the most part, Apple DOES NOT USE DRM anymore.

You are still shackled to iTunes if you want to use their devices.

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Originally Posted by Kris Deering

I love my Mac and all my Apple components (of which I have quite a few of) and it in NO WAY impeeds my love of Blu-ray or high def content.

Still doesn't change the fact the company is trying to kill Blu-ray.

Doctorossi · 02-24-2012, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by PeterTHX

You are still shackled to iTunes if you want to use their devices.

Wait... so, if you want to use Apple products, you have to use Apple products to do it?!

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Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Still doesn't change the fact the company is trying to kill Blu-ray.

If that's true, they're stunningly incompetent at it, compared to everything else they're working on.

But what do I know? I keep forgetting that I like their products not because they help me accomplish things I want to do in a very elegant and enjoyable way, but because I'm a brainwashed zombie cultist.

DenonCI · 02-24-2012, 07:03 PM

We have both Apple and Windows products in our home, so I guess I'm the Swiss of this argument

aygie · 02-24-2012, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Still doesn't change the fact the company is trying to kill Blu-ray.

No, that would be Microsoft the backer of that stupid format which caused a 2 year delay in Blu-ray being mass adopted.

What's apple done? Have the iTunes store open 6 years before a BD player was even on the market?

Keep beating that horse....

Penton-Man · 02-24-2012, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Well, it's just a silhouette drawing of a dog (or coyote)! It's not as bad as those mudflaps of the women now...

But I changed it.

How about this one?...

I think that could be even worse as I personally find the choice in footwear apparel to be rather appalling. Now…if you had her walking in something like stiletto heels….

No matter, I’ll leave that pic alone because like movies, fashion is highly subjective.

P.S.
As to the prior pic, no way a coyote, looked more like a Lab to me.

Doctorossi · 02-24-2012, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Penton-Man

As to the prior pic, no way a coyote, looked more like a Lab to me.

Penton, it was a coyote before that evil and oppressive computer company passed through its system.

PeterTHX · 02-24-2012, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by aygie

What's apple done? Have the iTunes store open 6 years before a BD player was even on the market?

No at that time they were busy killing the CD.

Now they're pushing AppleTV plus video downloads: and guess what they use as a marketplace for VIDEO. You guessed it: iTunes.

Amazing the excuses people will come up with to justify Apple's attempt at monopolizing media in both hardware and software.

At least with Microsoft it was all about software, and when HD DVD failed guess who added Blu support to their operating system?

Doctorossi · 02-24-2012, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by PeterTHX

No at that time they were busy killing the CD.

How ignorant can you get?

They weren't killing the CD; they were saving the music industry from the dying CD that was being killed by uncompensated downloads. The CD was starting to flatline before iTunes was a twinkle in Apple's eye.

Doctorossi · 02-24-2012, 09:17 PM

Even if iTunes did kill the CD (which it didn't), how can you not blame the consumer? Apple could make 1,000 iTunes stores, but if people still preferred CDs, that's what they would've bought. Yes, Apple is so terrible for giving people what they want.

DenonCI · 02-24-2012, 10:31 PM

Apple proved that people were willing to pay a nominal price for downloads versus stealing the music from illegal downloads since there wasn't an easier way to get their music digitized (the non-techie people at least).

PeterTHX · 02-25-2012, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Doctorossi

Even if iTunes did kill the CD (which it didn't), how can you not blame the consumer? Apple could make 1,000 iTunes stores, but if people still preferred CDs, that's what they would've bought. Yes, Apple is so terrible for giving people what they want.

I'll say it again:

Amazing the excuses people will come up with to justify Apple's attempt at monopolizing media in both hardware and software.

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02-24-2012, 02:12 AM	#19048
ZoetMB Blu-ray Ninja Member since:May 2009 Location:New York Blu-ray collection:172 DVD collection:27 Blu-ray reviews: 3	Why does anyone think that DRM hurts artists? I don't like DRM, but it most definitely does not hurt artists, but it's all a moot point because for the most part, Apple DOES NOT USE DRM anymore. Besides, even when they used it, it wasn't Apple who wanted to implement DRM, it was the insistence of the record labels. Blame them. What hurts artists is people stealing music via illegal downloads, giving MP3 files to their friends, posting music that they don't own on YouTube and other places and the fact that most people now buy singles instead of albums. While they certainly have the right to purchase singles, that change in consumer behavior, more than anything else, is what has destroyed the record industry for which revenue in the U.S. is now below 50% of its 1999 peak even without considering inflation. You know why concert tickets for big acts are priced at several hundred dollars? It's because the acts can no longer rely upon the records business for any income. As for BD, I don't know what watching BDs on a small computer screen gets you other than the fact that if you don't buy a combo pack, you won't be able to use your BD to watch the movie when you're not at home. But my reality is that when I watch BD, I want the big screen and I want the multichannel sound. I can't get that on my computer anyway. The biggest issue for me with Apple not supporting BD is lacking the ability to burn my own content to BD. If Apple doesn't want to embed a BD player in their computers, that's their business. Rumor has it that future Apple laptops will have no optical drive whatsoever. I'm sorry to see that happen, but I can always buy an external DVD burner. But I do think Apple should support BD reading/burning in the OS. That way third parties can produce hardware where Apple doesn't want to.

02-24-2012, 07:03 PM	#19052
DenonCI Senior Member Member since:Jan 2008 4K collection:595 Blu-ray collection:1619 DVD collection:138	We have both Apple and Windows products in our home, so I guess I'm the Swiss of this argument

02-24-2012, 09:17 PM	#19058
Doctorossi Blu-ray Knight Member since:Feb 2009 4K collection:134 Blu-ray collection:478	Even if iTunes did kill the CD (which it didn't), how can you not blame the consumer? Apple could make 1,000 iTunes stores, but if people still preferred CDs, that's what they would've bought. Yes, Apple is so terrible for giving people what they want.

02-24-2012, 10:31 PM	#19059
DenonCI Senior Member Member since:Jan 2008 4K collection:595 Blu-ray collection:1619 DVD collection:138	Apple proved that people were willing to pay a nominal price for downloads versus stealing the music from illegal downloads since there wasn't an easier way to get their music digitized (the non-techie people at least).

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