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[Constitution 101]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

No at that time they were busy killing the CD.

Now they're pushing AppleTV plus video downloads: and guess what they use as a marketplace for VIDEO. You guessed it: iTunes.

Amazing the excuses people will come up with to justify Apple's attempt at monopolizing media in both hardware and software.

At least with Microsoft it was all about software, and when HD DVD failed guess who added Blu support to their operating system?

You don't need to justify it, that's what a company's supposed to do. The only reason they're even in that position is because they do a better job of pleasing their customers than their competitors. I love my 360 and MS has made some vast improvements to it over the years. However, most people would prefer digital download(for games) w/o the physical media. It's just more convenient. They'd probably also like for their $300 gaming console to have not melted every time it's 100 degrees outside. They also probably would've liked if MS would've at least sent an overnight shipping box for the repair and overnighted it back to you when fixed. Just sayin'...

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Constitution 101

You don't need to justify it, that's what a company's supposed to do. The only reason they're even in that position is because they do a better job of pleasing their customers than their competitors. I love my 360 and MS has made some vast improvements to it over the years. However, most people would prefer digital download(for games) w/o the physical media. It's just more convenient. They'd probably also like for their $300 gaming console to have not melted every time it's 100 degrees outside. They also probably would've liked if MS would've at least sent an overnight shipping box for the repair and overnighted it back to you when fixed. Just sayin'...

The videogame market is nothing to compare to, and even with all the problems the XBOX 360 is the most successful console out there right now.

Downloading a game like Modern Warfare 3 takes *forever* on the average broadband connection. You're saying it's more convenient than popping in a DVD-ROM?

As far as pleasing customers: Twilight outgrossed Hurt Locker by a huge margin. Are you going to say the Twilight filmmakers did a better job?

In any case, it always seems that the iProduct faithful are eager to get rid of their devices when a new one comes out. If it's so pleasing, why not keep it more than a year?

[Steedeel]

Most people Prefer games downloaded? How do you know that? Have you visited everyone in the country to ask them? Every single one of my online buds prefer discs.

[Steedeel]

Wow, peter you should not be defending bluray, on a bluray forum of all places! How dare you? You should be streaming in crapavision and listening to (in my opinion) tinny, muffled, thin sounding audio. Even better, we should be watching movies on a postage stamp sized display, because, you know, its portable! You can watch movies while talking to friends in a pub and tweet people about the film you are watching. (you could even tweet them to ask what you have just missed because you were too busy sending the message.)

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Amazing the excuses people will come up with to justify Apple's attempt at monopolizing media in both hardware and software.

Amazing the stories people will invent to persist with their prejudices when even the most cursory glance at the facts says otherwise. I thought the people who like Apple were supposed to be the ones with "religious" delusions.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Wow, peter you should not be defending bluray, on a bluray forum of all places! How dare you?

Complaining about Apple =/= defending Blu-ray.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

Complaining about Apple =/= defending Blu-ray.

With the iPad 3 launch imminent and the "HD" screen that will doubtless be touted, as well as the new AppleTV that streams HD direct from iTunes you bet it's defending Blu-ray. Apple argues it's best to stream purchases from iTunes rather than playing BDs.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

With the iPad 3 launch imminent and the "HD" screen that will doubtless be touted

Would you prefer an iPad 3 with a Blu-ray player built in?

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Apple argues it's best to stream purchases from iTunes rather than playing BDs.

Where do they argue this? Seriously- where?

If you think Apple wants to monopolize music and movie sales, I think you completely misunderstand their business model (much as you seem to misunderstand their customers' reasons for purchasing their products). Apple makes its money from selling hardware. Music and movies are just drivers of those hardware sales.

Have you taken a look at the kind of ass (unprecedented ass) that Apple's been kicking on all fronts the last few years? If Apple really gave a crap about getting rid of Blu-ray, how and why would they be doing such a lousy job of it? If Apple could snap their fingers and make Blu-ray disappear, would they? Yeah, probably. Is getting rid of Blu-ray on their agenda while it requires any effort whatsoever to do so? Nah. Really, what would be the point?

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

Where do they argue this? Seriously- where?

http://www.applegazette.com/itunes/a...s-on-sale-now/

"Blu-ray is a bag of hurt" - Steve Jobs, aka the guy staring at you arrogantly while picking his chin on the cover of his biography. Also:

Last but not least, we obtained some reports about Steve’s thoughts on Blu-ray, following an internal meeting. Steve did not change his mind and admitted that retrospectively he feels ashamed that Apple’s name is associated to Blu-ray, as he thinks that BD supporting associations look today more like Mafia than anything else.

What's not said it threatens the complete dominance of iTunes as the source of HD media.

[Doctorossi]

Peter, if you cared about the facts in this matter, the question to which that "bag of hurt" quote was an answer would be relevant to you. Of course, the knowledge of what Jobs was actually talking about when he said that doesn't support your position very well.

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

What's not said it threatens the complete dominance of iTunes as the source of HD media.

It's not said because it has nothing to do with Apple's agenda nor the topic under discussion. Sort of like when you jump into a Blu-ray discussion with an anti-Apple image-bomb.

[aygie]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

I'll say it again:

Amazing the excuses people will come up with to justify Apple's attempt at monopolizing media in both hardware and software.

I want to buy a product and it works, both software and hardware so if thats a monopoly count me in.

Sony is exactly the same if not worse with your assessment of monopolisation, it owns the content (Music labels, film studios & game developers), it makes the software (music unlimited, video unlimited and PSN) and it makes the hardware (computers, tablets, TVs, BD players, speakers, game consoles, mobile phones & MP3 players). It even owns Blu-ray production plants! Thats a hell of lot more ownership of hardware and software than Apple.

Its clear you just hate Apple and try and mask that with some kind of conspiracy that they're trying to take over the entertainment industry by not adopting Blu-ray

There's nothing wrong with a company trying to provide everything they can to their customers as long as its fair and reasonable. Sony and Apple make great products and services but for you its one rule for one and another rule for the other. I'm not saying you have to like Apple, far from it, but don't bash them under false pretences.

[Steedeel]

The difference being Sony give their fans the option of high quality bluray or downloads/streaming. They also strive to provide the highest quality in the future in my opinion. 4k being an example. We are back to the old problem. Get off the fence guys. Back bluray FULLY!

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by aygie

Sony is exactly the same if not worse with your assessment of monopolisation, it owns the content (Music labels, film studios & game developers), it makes the software (music unlimited, video unlimited and PSN) and it makes the hardware (computers, tablets, TVs, BD players, speakers, game consoles, mobile phones & MP3 players). It even owns Blu-ray production plants! Thats a hell of lot more ownership of hardware and software than Apple.

BD is a standard. iProducts are not. You can buy a Sony BD (or Sony ressed BD) and play it on any BD player, whether it be from Oppo, Panasonic, even Toshiba.

PlayStation has legitimate competition from Nintendo and Microsoft.

If entertainment was water Apple wants to control the spigot and the bucket.

[aygie]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

BD is a standard. iProducts are not.

I don't understand what this means, either compare BD to digital downloads (two sets of "standards") or compare another physical product to an "iProduct".

Its like saying MP4 is a standard, the Playstation is not. It doesn't make sense.

You can buy a Sony BD (or Sony ressed BD) and play it on any BD player, whether it be from Oppo, Panasonic, even Toshiba.

Go a buy a song from iTunes and then tell me you can't play it on any device you like. As soon as Apple could get rid of DRM on music they did and as soon as the movie studios let them remove it from films they will, so don't blame Apple for that.

PlayStation has legitimate competition from Nintendo and Microsoft.

Amazon MP3? Google music? Music unlimited? Spotify? Apple have lots more competition.

If entertainment was water Apple wants to control the spigot and the bucket.

Can you say that with a straight face? After all the things I listed about what Sony control and you say Apple wants the control?? Doctorossi's comment is actually a perfect analogy of your attitude towards this topic;

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

Amazing the stories people will invent to persist with their prejudices when even the most cursory glance at the facts says otherwise. I thought the people who like Apple were supposed to be the ones with "religious" delusions.

Shut out the facts, ignore the whole picture and focus on specifics which promote your cause.

[Doctorossi]

Is BetaMax a standard?

Is MiniDisc a standard?

Is SDDS a standard?

Is PlayStation a standard?

Is UMD a standard?

Is MemoryStick a standard?

Apple's level of standards compliance is sweet relief compared to the proprietary format kings that are Sony.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

Is BetaMax a standard?

Is MiniDisc a standard?

Is SDDS a standard?

Is PlayStation a standard?

Is UMD a standard?

Is MemoryStick a standard?

Apple's level of standards compliance is sweet relief compared to the proprietary format kings that are Sony.

most of those yes, some of them I don't know.

Betamax




MiniDisc



Memory stick


no idea what SDDS is and I am guessing if UMD would have been interesting there would be other manufacturers that would have picked it up.

Now can you say the same for Apple products?

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

no idea what SDDS is and I am guessing if UMD would have been interesting there would be other manufacturers that would have picked it up.

Now can you say the same for Apple products?

SDDS is a theatrical digital audio format. The codec is actually based on the ATRAC lossy compression method used in MiniDisc. All studios use it and a number of theatrical chains have it. It's getting rare though. Sony did NOT push it as an audio standard for home in either DVD or BD.

UMD is dead in the water and has been for quite some time.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

Apple's level of standards compliance is sweet relief compared to the proprietary format kings that are Sony.

Sony puts out products to be licensed to what manufacturers want.

Apple puts out their stuff to be played back by iTunes on iDevices. Period.

It's a hardware and software monopoly, it's NOT a standard if no one else can make/license them.
Who else can make an iPhone? An iPad? What else can run iOS?
How many computer makers can make a PC with OS-X?

Thank you.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

SDDS is a theatrical digital audio format. The codec is actually based on the ATRAC lossy compression method used in MiniDisc. All studios use it and a number of theatrical chains have it. It's getting rare though. Sony did NOT push it as an audio standard for home in either DVD or BD.

thanks

UMD is dead in the water and has been for quite some time.

agree, and that was my point. I am sure if others would have wanted to adopt UMD (for example for mini portable movie players) Sony would have been more than happy to share it.

Doctorossi used failures as an excuse for none-standard and to call something proprietary. Sony does a lot of R&D and has come out with a lot of new techs (in whole or in part) and so there have been many format wars but except for PS (where the market is proprietary and before they decide to make a console they did try working with Nintendo), as far as I know they have never had monopolistic tendencies like Apple, where if you want one aspect of their technology you are forced to go full hog.

[Penton-Man]

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