4K Movies Releases

[Spike M.]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

It's simple: whether they cut the image from the vertical axis only or both at the end the final result is still the same: 35% less resolution than the original RAW file....

Right, but that's still 3.4K of horizontal resolution, which means it's still a 3.4K image.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I can see what he means with anamorphic though, as the 1.55 aspect of the Open Gate mode wouldn't jive with the 2x glass that's standard for 35mm and 1.33 digital sensors. So if you were to shoot anamorphic on an Alexa with such lenses I guess you'd be restricted to a 2880x2160 ARRIRAW output anyway.

Yeah, I wasn't sure if Open Gate could be used for anamorphic. Thanks.

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by Spike M.

Right, but that's still 3.4K of horizontal resolution, which means it's still a 3.4K image.



Yeah, I wasn't sure if Open Gate could be used for anamorphic. Thanks.

I don't think it can be used, anamorphic for ARRI is used in 4:3 mode, 2880x2160

[Geoff D]

^ That's kinda why Open Gate was originally touted as a 'VFX plate' type of mode, where you need the most resolution & coverage but aren't bothered about the aspect ratio. But if you're shooting flat anyway on main unit then you might as well use Open Gate regardless. I read in one of them many links that they spent two weeks just reframing Deadpool because of the space afforded by the Open Gate shooting.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

I agree and I will tell you why I think so:

Even if it was shot ARRIRAW Open Gate (3.4K), a huge portion of the image is then thrown away to extract the intended 2.39:1 ratio. Open Gate ARRI is 1.55:1...

In the end your final source is still about 2.8K RAW, so it's an upscale by definition....

So would any Super35 film by that same definition.

[Brightstar]

Originally Posted by Viking61

Sony Pictures issued a press release for Scandinavia about the 4K UHD blu-ray launch. The press release stated that the 6 first titles will be the same as in the States and will be launched on May 2 for the Scandinavian countries, and they will soon be followed by more titles. The ones specifically mentioned in the press release are:

• Captain Phillips
• Men In Black
• Ghostbusters
• Bad Boys
• The Da Vinci Code
• Bram Stoker's Dracula
• Lawrence Of Arabia
• The Bridge on the River Kwai
• The Guns of Navarone
• Taxi Driver
• Mr. Smith Goes to Washington

I thought they where gonna wait for the 60th anniversary for Lawrence Of Arabia? That was quick

[Spike M.]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

I don't think it can be used, anamorphic for ARRI is used in 4:3 mode, 2880x2160

Yeah but you can, and lots of productions do, shoot flat via Open Gate at 3.4K and crop to 2.40.

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

So would any Super35 film by that same definition.

Absolutely. In fact anamorphic 35mm has more resolution than Super 35 despite the name "Super"....

With Super35 (4-perf) you are throwing away more than 45% of the original image/resolution

Originally Posted by Spike M.

Yeah but you can, and lots of productions do, shoot flat via Open Gate at 3.4K and crop to 2.40.

That's a given, as we were talking about that (for Deadpool)...

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

Absolutely. In fact anamorphic 35mm has more resolution than Super 35 despite the name "Super"....

With Super35 (4-perf) you are throwing away more than 45% of the original image/resolution



That's a given, as we were talking about that (for Deadpool)...

And yet it still looks better

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

And yet it still looks better

Because anamorphic has geometrical/focus problems caused by the squeezing/unsqueezing. But from a technical stand-point Super 35 is more similar to Techniscope for resolution...

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

So would any Super35 film by that same definition.

Sure, I mean if you shoot 4-perf Super 35 for 2.35 widescreen then you're not far off of 2-perf Techniscope in terms of how much of the vertical information is being used for that theatrical extraction. ([edit] which I see has been referenced as I typed this. ) It's easier to quantify when you're dealing with hard numbers on digital acquisition, which I guess is part of Signore XDTV's point.

But XDTV, when referencing how much is thrown away from the digital version when shooting flat, it's worth bearing in mind that the VFX and the grading are often completed in 1.78 or 1.89 with the 'open matte' aspect of TV or IMAX in mind. When they did the original 2K grade for The Martian they used 2192x1156 extractions, for example. And just the other night I saw an open matte version of Tron Legacy on TV.

I know that doesn't count for a whole hell of a lot for those who do actually like their movies to be in OAR, but sometimes there is method in the madness of shooting flat. Still prefer anamorphic though, especially when the DPs don't get all dewey-eyed about shooting on 50 year old glass and actually use newer lenses on modern productions.

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Sure, I mean if you shoot 4-perf Super 35 for 2.35 widescreen then you're not far off of 2-perf Techniscope in terms of how much of the vertical information is being used for that theatrical extraction. ([edit] which I see has been referenced as I typed this. ) It's easier to quantify when you're dealing with hard numbers on digital acquisition, which I guess is part of Signore XDTV's point.

But XDTV, when referencing how much is thrown away from the digital version when shooting flat, it's worth bearing in mind that the VFX and the grading are often completed in 1.78 or 1.89 with the 'open matte' aspect of TV or IMAX in mind. When they did the original 2K grade for The Martian they used 2192x1156 extractions, for example. And just the other night I saw an open matte version of Tron Legacy on TV.

I know that doesn't count for a whole hell of a lot for those who do actually like their movies to be in OAR, but sometimes there is method in the madness of shooting flat. Still prefer anamorphic though, especially when the DPs don't get all dewey-eyed about shooting on 50 year old glass and actually use newer lenses on modern productions.

Well, Geoff, I hope in this forum nobody wants something different from OAR for their movies.... After all the battles to get it many years ago....

And I prefer anamorphic as well, feels more elegant to me, it reminds me of classic cinema.....

[Geoff D]

You'd be surprised at how many people, even on here, still don't like them nasty black bands taking up all that space on their TV...

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

You'd be surprised at how many people, even on here, still don't like them nasty black bands taking up all that space on their TV...

I said I hoped, didn't I?

I should be the one that hates black bars the most as I think I have the smaller size TV on this forum (40") as my main screen... But once I understood how important the original composition is, there's no way I was going back to anything different...

[Geoff D]

I just watch the movie, not the borders, you know what I mean? It always surprises me how engrossed I get, to the point when the credits roll and I snap back to reality and I notice the borders and the big speakers on the side of my TV. I could've sworn they weren't there five minutes earlier! (But then it helps that I've done an excellent calibration on my set, if I say so myself, so the borders are truly black and they just blend into the frame of the TV.)

[LuminousMotion]

Wouldn't 2.8K or even just full 2K, be a significant step up from what we get on standard Blu-Ray? Maybe, someone involved with the mastering process or the encoding/ transfer process can chime in, but I had the impression from articles I've read (several years old, may not be pertinent, now, so I ask!) that many of the Beta tapes, at least many of the older ones, before the enhanced anamorphic stretch were/are at 1440 x ????, anyways? Or, if not in all cases, to prevent moiring, aliasing, flicker, since 1080P is not an even interger resolution, but very close to 2K, it gets filtered down to below single-per-pixel resolution. Not quite half-resolution, but the result, either way, is above what you might get above a virtual 720P transfer with per-pixel sharpness and 1080P. Is that correct?

Assuming a similar process with home release with 4K (I think at that res, filtering probably shouldn't be as much of a concern), whether it gets filtered down from a true 4K source or interpolated up from 2.8K, aren't we getting fairly similar results? Seems like ne way or the other, we're getting close to double or even better, the resolution of standard Blu.

I'm sure someone will chime in and pointificate...

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by LuminousMotion

Wouldn't 2.8K or even just full 2K, be a significant step up from what we get on standard Blu-Ray? Maybe, someone involved with the mastering process or the encoding/ transfer process can chime in, but I had the impression from articles I've read (several years old, may not be pertinent, now, so I ask!) that many of the Beta tapes, at least many of the older ones, before the enhanced anamorphic stretch were/are at 1440 x ????, anyways? Or, if not in all cases, to prevent moiring, aliasing, flicker, since 1080P is not an even interger resolution, but very close to 2K, it gets filtered down to below single-per-pixel resolution. Not quite half-resolution, but the result, either way, is above what you might get above a virtual 720P transfer with per-pixel sharpness and 1080P. Is that correct?

Assuming a similar process with home release with 4K (I think at that res, filtering probably shouldn't be as much of a concern), whether it gets filtered down from a true 4K source or interpolated up from 2.8K, aren't we getting fairly similar results? Seems like ne way or the other, we're getting close to double or even better, the resolution of standard Blu.

I'm sure someone will chime in and pointificate...

You are talking about the first HD digital transfers (Telecines) on tape that were created more than a decade ago (before Blu-ray even came out). For example every Terminator 2 Blu-ray on the market uses a transfer like that (created for the Extreme DVD).

A lot has changed since then: now true full-resolution film scanning is used as source and the results are stellar whether 2K or 4K is selected as output....

The source for BD and UHD-BD will be the same, except for the HDR pass and the possible upscaling to 4K (if necessary)

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

HLG

Jack just skewered HLG….
http://phenix.int-evry.fr/jct/doc_en...t.php?id=10462

This coming week in S.D. (http://mpeg.chiariglione.org/meetings/114)
should be interesting for the Brits.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Not to worry mike, more are coming .
A reporter for the ETC -

“Sony Pictures production/post production executive Bill Baggelaar has supervised the HDR re-mastering of 25 Sony legacy movies”…..
http://www.etcentric.org/hpa-tech-re...n/#more-101698

[gkolb]

Originally Posted by Viking61

Sony Pictures issued a press release for Scandinavia about the 4K UHD blu-ray launch. The press release stated that the 6 first titles will be the same as in the States and will be launched on May 2 for the Scandinavian countries, and they will soon be followed by more titles. The ones specifically mentioned in the press release are:

• Captain Phillips
• Men In Black
• Ghostbusters
• Bad Boys
• The Da Vinci Code
• Bram Stoker's Dracula
• Lawrence Of Arabia
• The Bridge on the River Kwai
• The Guns of Navarone
• Taxi Driver
• Mr. Smith Goes to Washington

Nobody mentioned this that I see, but I hope Sony doesn't apply HDR to some of these movies. I'm sure 4k and WCG will be significant upgrades to all (will WCG improve a B+W film?), but I don't want no HDR for Smith or maybe even Ghostbusters!

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Not to worry mike, more are coming .
A reporter for the ETC -

“Sony Pictures production/post production executive Bill Baggelaar has supervised the HDR re-mastering of 25 Sony legacy movies”…..
http://www.etcentric.org/hpa-tech-re...n/#more-101698

It's fine. I have all the listed in the original 4k colour timing