4K Movies Releases

[Paul.R.S]

Originally Posted by Teazle

Saw Robocop ('14) in an Imax theatre, sat right in middle, & thought it lacked detail for a 4K movie.

Then I read on imdb that it was 2K DI (tho' shot w/ RED cam). Presumably this means all the CGI & everything except principal camerawork was generated at only 2K.

WTF studios?!

A sci-fi movie w/ a budget > $100M at a piddling 2K?!

Show me the 4K content!

Someone with even more technical knowledge of the workflow may chime in to correct me, but it's not my understanding that this is necessarily correct. 2k DI is done because that's the DCI (Digital Cinema Initiatives) standard. It doesn't necessarily mean that the original image capture and/or vifx were done at that resolution.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

I am concerned about the size of the XYZ color space...

I think we should at least try (have working group discussions) to achieve an algorithmic color processing solution to the technical hurdles involved, or, if need be, pursue the production of a chip designed to do 3D gamut mapping with LUTs at 4K rez to put into TVs or set top boxes.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

I am concerned about the inability to make a reference display for it (you can make a reference display for part of it but not for all of it)...

Currently in use for color grading, the ~ $40,000 “cost efficient"…http://www.dolby.com/us/en/professio...ing-video.html Dolby Professional Reference LCD Monitor with its what? 1,500 rgb LED triplets only covers ~ 73% of B.T. 2020 and the Sony BVM OLED professional reference monitors, being OLED and all, only cover ~ 82% of B.T.2020.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

I am concerned that the major studios might just want it added to 4K Blu-ray for marketing reasons...

Well I am sympathetic to yours and others’ wariness of major Hollywood studios in terms of past marketing of Blu-ray mastering but, the majors don’t consist entirely of people who “take the ball and run with it” like described in this marketing-gate scandal with official input by the D.P. of record for NOTL…http://www.cinemalowdown.com/2012/11...exclusive.html

For context, the comment at the end of that ^ article should not read “Shame on Sony” but rather, Shame on the individual man-in-charge responsible from that particular studio.

[Steedeel]

Hi Penton Man, it's your team versus mine tomorrow. May the best team win.

I won't give the score away until your ready by the way.

We really need the points!

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

Just to clarify I mean sudden in the context of the UHDTV standard which was developed over the course of several years and was released as an ITU standard in 2012. For example it wasn't until the HEVC meeting in October 2013 that the XYZ color space was proposed and it was only added to HEVC at last month's meeting.

You keep up with the JCT-VC meetings. As a comparative codec-war aside, as of yet, 10 bit is not even planned for VP9 but HEVC has had Main 10 for some time now as well as other goodies in the cooker.

Yes, the XYZ-way proposal for 4K/UHD is a comparatively emergent recommendation. But despite that.....one must admire the beauty of the initiative at least in terms of being what could become the final standard to end all standards; whereas, B.T. 2020 represents yet another standard that would eventually become obsolete as display technology advances over the years.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Hi Penton Man, it's your team versus mine tomorrow. May the best team win.

I won't give the score away until your ready by the way.

We really need the points!

I heard about the Bayern debacle. Haven't kept up with the Prem.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by lillsowi

Excitingly enough, James Cameron has just stated that he's shooting the Avatar sequels in 4K and HFR, really bringing Weta to their knees ....

Tell some of dem boys (https://twitter.com/alasdaircoull) it’s time to lay off the Brewskis and put their noses to the grindstone

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I heard about the Bayern debacle. Haven't kept up with the Prem.

You have been away haven't you? Did you enjoy?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Shooting in 4K (or higher) is not the same as finishing in 4K. Though if anyone can bring a 4K HFR movie to theaters, it's good ol' JC.

I'll get to this later, it demands a longer post than I have time for.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Teazle

Saw Robocop ('14) in an Imax theatre, sat right in middle, & thought it lacked detail for a 4K movie....

Arri would not like hearing you saying that.
Robocop DCP delivered to non-IMAX theaters had an image format of 2048 x 858 (scope).

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

And the penny drops. 2K DI's are still the main 'finish' of choice for movies these days...

Do you guys still have farthings?

Londoners (Geoff, etc.), see free pre-registration -> http://www.bvexpo.com/Content/Visitor-FAQs
and take 4K note….
http://www.bvexpo.com/page.cfm/actio...wCatID_17=,554

Several sessions, plus a 4K screening of Muse’s ‘Follow Me’ and a bird’s eye view of London by night (where the hell is Emirates Stadium?) –

4K London - Beautiful views of London, UK from above, shot in 4K/Ultra HD - YouTube

[Penton-Man]

Nuf said. Gotta go see how my wild four-legged friends have been doing in my absence. If they’re around, I’ll try to get a pic with my old cheapo pocket camera since I don’t see no dog pics from Steed.

P.S.
To people who PMed me, excuse the non replies for now but I’m in a rush as its burnin daylight.

[Penton-Man]

^
I see you hiding in dem bushes

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I'll try to get a recent pic of at least one of my coyotes, if not most of the family at-large.

Well papa, we see, hear and smell you, long before you see us. Welcome home , can we go back to sleep now?

[Penton-Man]

Animal news (dinosaur-style) for those inclined toward feature motion picture acquisition on celluloid - https://twitter.com/colintrevorrow

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Hi Penton Man, it's your team versus mine tomorrow. May the best team win.
I won't give the score away until your ready by the way.
We really need the points!

Thanks but I already heard the score, where? of all places, while waiting in the checkout line at the grocery store this morning so now I’m not sure if I’ll even watch the match because I’m more interested in the unknown competition aspect of soccer rather than immersing myself in rah-rah fanboyism.

Sorry we couldn’t be charitable to your team with points.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

You have been away haven't you? Did you enjoy?

I was illuminated in the desert. Not meaning to contribute to your anxiety over previous discussions as to where the world is headed as far as viewing habits go but, I learned from the business boys that from 10 PM - midnight, Netflix streaming makes up 33% (bandwidth-wise) of all internet traffic. I also learned that there is group in the engineering community who apparently don’t understand or perhaps are unwilling to accept how consumer electronics companies (namely display manufacturers) work and live year-to-year…https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...es#post8638171

In other words, they want WCG, HDR and HFR all at 1080p resolution and just forget about going to increased spatial resolutions. Believe me, if it were that easy, consumer display manufacturers would have done that years ago in order just to sell more HD tvs.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Shooting in 4K (or higher) is not the same as finishing in 4K. Though if anyone can bring a 4K HFR movie to theaters, it's good ol' JC.

Unless he’s changed, due to the fact Jim is first and foremost a 3D advocate, I assume he’s still shooting the sequels in 3D and exhibiting a 3D version, no? If so, a 4K 3D post workflow is a tall order. An even more daunting hurdle is that of enticing theater owners to upgrade to a projector system capable of exhibiting it, which is a very expensive proposition compared to that which was needed for exhibition of the first Hobbit’s 48fps 2K 3D version.

Plus, it’s yet been shown that all projector systems can seamlessly project variable frame rate 3D material containing some HFR content without slight delay hiccups ( https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...le#post6994149 ). So getting all brand manufacturers of 3D projection systems to achieve the capability of responding instantaneously to variable frame rate content within a single motion picture is another issue which would somehow have to be solved for widespread distribution and exhibition if Avatar 2 in 3D were to include mixed (24 and 48fps) content.

Given all the above, don’t be surprised if a ‘4K 3D HFR version’ of Avatar 2 or even just a conventional 4K 3D version (totally at the traditional frame rate of 24fps) has a limited theatrical release. But, I’d pay extra money for a ticket to see it, if I could find a local theater that was showing it.

[Richard Paul]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

You keep up with the JCT-VC meetings. As a comparative codec-war aside, as of yet, 10 bit is not even planned for VP9 but HEVC has had Main 10 for some time now as well as other goodies in the cooker.

Google occasionally mentions that it is going to add a 10-bit profile to VP9 but they don't seem to be in much of a hurry. As for HEVC the new profiles should be completed at the next HEVC meeting though things are likely to get messy when it comes to the screen content coding tools. The computer companies really want them but some of the non-computer companies are against them. Hopefully a reasonable compromise will be reached since some of the proposed tools cost little to add but would greatly improve compression performance for computer applications.

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Yes, the XYZ-way proposal for 4K/UHD is a comparatively emergent recommendation. But despite that.....one must admire the beauty of the initiative at least in terms of being what could become the final standard to end all standards; whereas, B.T. 2020 represents yet another standard that would eventually become obsolete as display technology advances over the years.

On a technical level the XYZ color space does have potential for pre-recorded video but for computer applications (computers, tablets, smartphones, etc...) I think that RGB will remain the standard even 20 years from now. There are significant advantages to using the RGB color space for real time processing. I wouldn't mind the XYZ color space being added to 4K Blu-ray if I thought it was going to deliver a noticeable benefit, compared to the Rec. 2020 color space, but that seems unlikely. Also 4K Blu-ray is most likely going to be a compromise between cost and performance so adding the XYZ color space could make other elements of it suffer.