Avengers: Infinity War (2018)

[Rodney-2187]

Originally Posted by Darkstream

Unless Marvel and Fox have secretly joined forces and planned for the Fantastic Four to surprisingly show up in the MCU Phase Four, a movie reboot by Fox is inevitable, so we might as well just accept it and hope for the best.

Could they do a TV series on Fox and maintain the rights or does it have to be a movie?

[mwynn]

[CyberpunkCentral]

Originally Posted by rodneyfaile

Could they do a TV series on Fox and maintain the rights or does it have to be a movie?

Has to be a movie.

[Darkstream]

Originally Posted by rodneyfaile

Could they do a TV series on Fox and maintain the rights or does it have to be a movie?

From what I understand, the licensing contracts for the FF properties are the same as with the X-Men properties, which are restricted to movie rights only.

Fox are not even allowed to create related merchandise, such as toys, art books, etc., without permission from Marvel. Fox are also prohibited from creating direct-to-video releases, as well television and streaming series, whether animated or live-action, without Marvel signing off on it.

On the other hand, Marvel has no rights to the X-Men or FF characters outside of publishing. They obviously cannot make movies with those properties, while Fox holds the license. But just like Fox, Marvel cannot create merchandise, or direct-to-video releases, or television and streaming series, animated or live-action, without Fox agreeing to it.

So when it comes to certain things pertaining to those properties, there needs to be a shared mutual agreement deal between both studios.

Currently, Marvel and Fox have been playing nice with each other to some degree. Fox has allowed Marvel to use certain characters in the MCU that Fox holds the rights to in exchange for a few extra liberties. Both Marvel and Fox are co-producing together two X-Men-related television series: Legion and The Gifted. Something that could not have been done previously without mutual agreement. Not only did both studios agree to doing the two shows, but they are working together to produce them.

It may very well be possible for Fox to make that same kind of deal with Marvel on a Fantastic Four television series, but I suspect that Marvel may not go for that, because they would probably like to obtain the rights for the FF for themselves rather than sign off and give Fox their blessing to pursue another FF reboot in any medium under Fox.

[AmrlKJaneway]

Originally Posted by NARMAK

It's not just telling a "Single story" though because we are given movies that exist in the same connected universe but tell separate stories of individual characters and then have them team up for a single large scale movie.

So they're completely justified in the way they do things and audiences clearly don't mind or they wouldn't make hundreds of millions of dollars at the box office.

Nah, not true.

[CyberpunkCentral]

Originally Posted by Darkstream

On the other hand, Marvel has no rights to the X-Men or FF characters outside of publishing. They obviously cannot make movies with those properties, while Fox holds the license. But just like Fox, Marvel cannot create merchandise, or direct-to-video releases, or television and streaming series, animated or live-action, without Fox agreeing to it.

Unless I'm reading this wrong, I don't think so. Marvel can create animated and merchandise out of the Fantastic Four and X-Men without Fox's permission, as long as it isn't anything live-action related. They just chose not to because it doesn't make sense business wise to help advertise films from another studio.

[yeslek]

Originally Posted by Darkstream

After two failed versions, they have to get this one right!

Third times a charm, right?

Right?

Hell, at this point they should just let Bryan Singer reboot the Fantastic Four.

Yeah, yeah, I know a lot of people would object to that, but after three successful X-Men films (plus one not so successful, but still not that bad), I would welcome him. Of course, he would need to do it on the level of commitment and quality he gave us with Days of Future Past.

I'm not saying Singer is my top choice to direct an FF reboot, but he should be an obvious possible consideration for Fox.

worked for Spidey and Batman (if you consider Nolan's being the 3rd movie version)

[Darkstream]

Originally Posted by CyberpunkCentral

Unless I'm reading this wrong, I don't think so. Marvel can create animated and merchandise out of the Fantastic Four and X-Men without Fox's permission, as long as it isn't anything live-action related. They just chose not to because it doesn't make sense business wise to help advertise films from another studio.

You may be right about this: "As long as it isn't anything live-action related."

Marvel won't allow action figures for the Fox movies to be made. They have in the past, and on special occasion (Hot Toys Wolverine), but for the most part, they won't agree to it, so that they don't have to deal with Fox -- or as speculated, just to spite Fox, even if it means cutting off one's own nose.

Movie art/making of hardcover books are another thing. Marvel publishes The Art of this and that for their own MCU movies, and they even published one for Sony's The Amazing Spider-Man (The Amazing Spider-Man: Behind the Scenes and Beyond the Web) before Homecoming was even a possibility -- so it possible for Marvel to collaborate on movie-related projects and merchandise with other studios who hold the movie rights to their characters, but they often choose not to.

As for non-movie-related projects and merchandise of those character properties, yes, it has been done. Wolverine and Deadpool have shown up in some of Marvel's animated projects, and I believe they've even had some toys resembling their comic book or animated likenesses, but I'm not sure if arrangements to so needed to be run by Fox for the okay. Of course, Fox shouldn't object, because that keeps exposure on the characters in which they would benefit, but they might have the ability to play hardball with Marvel over it all. Those characters may need to stay relegated to just being "guest stars" in The Avengers or Spider-Man titled projects. I don't think Marvel can get away with producing an animated X-Men-related or Fantastic Four-related series without Fox's involvement to some capacity, even if it is just to give the okay, or if some sort of trade-off arrangement is made. Currently there is a Deadpool animated series in the works, but Fox's FX network is involved.

Like you said, though, as long as the characters are not live-action related, or bear the likenesses of the live-action versions, Marvel may be free to do whatever they want with the characters without worry of infringement.

[CyberpunkCentral]

Originally Posted by Darkstream

You may be right about this: "As long as it isn't anything live-action related."

Marvel won't allow action figures for the Fox movies to be made. They have in the past, and on special occasion (Hot Toys Wolverine), but for the most part, they won't agree to it, so that they don't have to deal with Fox -- or as speculated, just to spite Fox, even if it means cutting off one's own nose.

Movie art/making of hardcover books are another thing. Marvel publishes The Art of this and that for their own MCU movies, and they even published one for Sony's The Amazing Spider-Man (The Amazing Spider-Man: Behind the Scenes and Beyond the Web) before Homecoming was even a possibility -- so it possible for Marvel to collaborate on movie-related projects and merchandise with other studios who hold the movie rights to their characters, but they often choose not to.

As for non-movie-related projects and merchandise of those character properties, yes, it has been done. Wolverine and Deadpool have shown up in some of Marvel's animated projects, and I believe they've even had some toys resembling their comic book or animated likenesses, but I'm not sure if arrangements to so needed to be run by Fox for the okay. Of course, Fox shouldn't object, because that keeps exposure on the characters in which they would benefit, but they might have the ability to play hardball with Marvel over it all. Those characters may need to stay relegated to just being "guest stars" in The Avengers or Spider-Man titled projects. I don't think Marvel can get away with producing an animated X-Men-related or Fantastic Four-related series without Fox's involvement to some capacity, even if it is just to give the okay, or if some sort of trade-off arrangement is made. Currently there is a Deadpool animated series in the works, but Fox's FX network is involved.

Like you said, though, as long as the characters are not live-action related, or bear the likenesses of the live-action versions, Marvel may be free to do whatever they want with the characters without worry of infringement.

Well another reason why Marvel doesn't do X-Men action figures, and other stuff, is probably because they can't take advantage of their versions of those characters. Like for example, maybe they want to make action figures out of classic 616 Wolverine. But how when Hugh Jackman's Wolverine is the most recognizable version of that character to the public? Sure maybe that can make action figures out of Hugh Jackman's Wolverine (unless they need Fox's permission to do that version of the character), but it might turn off a lot kids and parents since he never wears the iconic yellow suit. The same goes for the rest of the X-Men as well. This is probably why everything Marvel-related is MCU-based now. Because Marvel wants to take advantage of their best known versions of these characters to the public. They can't do that X-Men. Except for Deadpool. Because I still see a lot of Deadpool merchandising around. Which makes sense, since Deadpool looks so comic book accurate, and Marvel takes advantage of that fact. Plus Marvel has been having a hard on for Deadpool way before the movie.

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by CyberpunkCentral

Well another reason why Marvel doesn't do X-Men action figures, and other stuff, is probably because they can't take advantage of their versions of those characters. Like for example, maybe they want to make action figures out of classic 616 Wolverine. But how when Hugh Jackman's Wolverine is the most recognizable version of that character to the public? Sure maybe that can make action figures out of Hugh Jackman's Wolverine (unless they need Fox's permission to do that version of the character), but it might turn off a lot kids and parents since he never wears the iconic yellow suit. The same goes for the rest of the X-Men as well. This is probably why everything Marvel-related is MCU-based now. Because Marvel wants to take advantage of their best known versions of these characters to the public. They can't do that X-Men. Except for Deadpool. Because I still see a lot of Deadpool merchandising around. Which makes sense, since Deadpool looks so comic book accurate, and Marvel takes advantage of that fact. Plus Marvel has been having a hard on for Deadpool way before the movie.

There are new Fantastic Four and X-men toys. Just not ones based on the movies. Recently they started allowing Fantastic Four sketch cards which artist were told previously not to do.

http://marveltoynews.com/marvel-lege...rstar-sandman/

http://marveltoynews.com/2017-marvel...ckaged-photos/

[NARMAK]

I personally think Fantastic Four becoming part of the future MCU would have been great after Avengers 4 to keep interesting stories coming but not having them already included from around Phase 1 was a huge shame because they're such a big name and introducing them into the MCU after Avengers 4 would have not as solid an impact but they're a major name in Marvel.

Fox however will likely keep them and I seriously wish they'd get their crap together because they could have had a great franchise if they properly did things and didn't release that mess that was F4. Kate Mara as Sue Storm wasn't a bad choice, but I'd have preferred they did the suit in a practical effect for Ben Grimm like the original. Michael B Jordan is a good actor, but he was terribly miscast. Chris Evans actually did pretty good as a cocky hotshot when he played Johnny Storm. Iloan Gruff also was great as Reed Richards. Had a great look whereas Miles Tellar was a little miscast but did the best he could under the circumstances.

Whilst all the rest of the F4 were not represented well, oh boy did "DR DOOM" get shafted in the movie. Not only did we have an actor terribly miscast but then they completely ruined the look of him.

Mads Mikkelsen is a very talented guy BUT I don't know if I personally see him being able to pull off Doom. I think you need a tall actor that can come across really strong without even having said anything and when he does, he steals the scene. Not sure of any actors off the top of my head but that's for another thread.

[CyberpunkCentral]

Originally Posted by mwynn

There are new Fantastic Four and X-men toys. Just not ones based on the movies. Recently they started allowing Fantastic Four sketch cards which artist were told previously not to do.

Exactly my point. Marvel wants to merchandise their versions of the Fantastic Four and X-Men. Not the movie versions, which is what the public are more focused on.

Originally Posted by NARMAK

I personally think Fantastic Four becoming part of the future MCU would have been great after Avengers 4 to keep interesting stories coming but not having them already included from around Phase 1 was a huge shame because they're such a big name and introducing them into the MCU after Avengers 4 would have not as solid an impact but they're a major name in Marvel.

Yeah, Fantastic Four appearing so late in the game in the MCU just doesn't make sense. The only way to make it work would be to have The Avengers disappear for awhile. Because if they appear while The Avengers are still around, no one is going to care about them. Just like how New Yorkers don't make a big deal when they see Spider-Man around in the MCU. But Fantastic Four is suppose to be a big deal. They are Marvel's first family superheroes. There is a reason why Fox has a good portion of the cosmic film rights to the Marvel universe.

[jayman3]

Two words: God Doom

[CyberpunkCentral]

Originally Posted by jayman3

Two words: God Doom

[Darkstream]

Originally Posted by jayman3

Two words: God Doom

Is that from the last Secret Wars story?

[jayman3]

Originally Posted by Darkstream

Is that from the last Secret Wars story?

Yes. It most certainly is.

[CyberpunkCentral]

If Thanos needs two films to do justice, then Doctor Doom needs a whole franchise.

[Darkstream]

Originally Posted by jayman3

Yes. It most certainly is.

Have you read it? How is it? How accessible is it to someone who hasn't been following the shit Marvel has been publishing since Avengers vs. X-Men?

I was tempted to check out this new Secret Wars and the Infamous Iron Man series, just because of Dr. Doom, but I fear I may be lost due to how continuity heavy everything is anymore.

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by Darkstream

Have you read it? How is it? How accessible is it to someone who hasn't been following the shit Marvel has been publishing since Avengers vs. X-Men?

I was tempted to check out this new Secret Wars and the Infamous Iron Man series, just because of Dr. Doom, but I fear I may be lost due to how continuity heavy everything is anymore.

Are you talking about the Secret Wars from 2015. Or the new Secret Warriors series?

[Darkstream]

Originally Posted by mwynn

Are you talking about the Secret Wars from 2015. Or the new Secret Warriors series?

The one that jayman3 posted the God Doom images from.