Avengers: Infinity War (2018)

[Predatorix38417]

Originally Posted by DisneyBlu

For me, he's the best villain of the MCU easily and the best villain in any comic book movie.

He's menacing and every time he's around he feels like a serious threat and gives the feeling that anything can happen. But more than that, he's the most complex villain in any superhero movie.

You're avoiding spoilers so I won't drop any, but he has more than a few surprising moments here that makes him that complex and compelling character.

The things he does are shitty, but does have a well-explained philosophy for why he does what he does and you can understand him, even if you don't agree with him.

Sounds a lot like Killmonger to me.

[yeslek]

Originally Posted by Predatorix38417

Sounds a lot like Killmonger to me.

Reminded me of Killmonger when watching.

Except Thanos is much more powerful than a highly trained human, as you expect

[yeslek]

Originally Posted by AmrlKJaneway

Terrible. Just terrible.

Sarcasm?

[Predatorix38417]

Originally Posted by DisneyBlu

Thanos makes Killmonger look like a puppy.

Killmonger was a great villain, but he has nothing on Thanos.

Well obviously, I mean we're comparing a human to an alien titan. But the way you describe their personalities make them sound similar, at least in terms of understanding their motives.

[yeslek]

Originally Posted by DisneyBlu

Thanos makes Killmonger look like a puppy.

Killmonger was a great villain, but he has nothing on Thanos.

True, but

[Show spoiler]they both have understandable motives.

Originally Posted by Predatorix38417

Well obviously, I mean we're comparing a human to an alien titan. But the way you describe their personalities make them sound similar, at least in terms of understanding their motives.

I’d agree with this theory

[yeslek]

Originally Posted by DisneyBlu

One of the bigger differences between the two is Killmonger was driven by a very personal grudge and had a chip on his shoulder.

Thanos is more a man on a mission, fueled by a traumatic event from his past.

One of the other bigger differences is Thanos genuinely believes what he's done and what he's planning to do is salvation.

A lot of movie villains see themselves as the heroes of their own stories, but Thanos is almost on a holy mission to correct imbalances in the universe -- to make things better for some -- even if that comes at a tremendous cost.

Killmonger was more of a "I'm gonna take everything over and put the disenfranchised in charge" and Thanos is more

[Show spoiler] "I'm going to wipe out half of all life in the universe and make things better for those who remain, then I can finally rest."

I found him really interesting. He even gets some quiet moments that we don't normally see with villains in movies like this and they're among the best parts of the film IMO.

Is this shown in the beginning of the movie? Cos I missed it and still don’t quite get why he felt the need to balance the universe? Like why is it up to him, his responsibility?

[Canada]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQHLgWLZlp4&t=3s

[yeslek]

Originally Posted by DisneyBlu

One of the bigger differences between the two is Killmonger was driven by a very personal grudge and had a chip on his shoulder.

Thanos is more a man on a mission, fueled by a traumatic event from his past.

One of the other bigger differences is Thanos genuinely believes what he's done and what he's planning to do is salvation.

A lot of movie villains see themselves as the heroes of their own stories, but Thanos is almost on a holy mission to correct imbalances in the universe -- to make things better for some -- even if that comes at a tremendous cost.

Killmonger was more of a "I'm gonna take everything over and put the disenfranchised in charge" and Thanos is more

[Show spoiler] "I'm going to wipe out half of all life in the universe and make things better for those who remain, then I can finally rest."

I found him really interesting. He even gets some quiet moments that we don't normally see with villains in movies like this and they're among the best parts of the film IMO.

Killmonger seemed more driven by the need for equality IMO

[yeslek]

Originally Posted by Canada

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQHLgWLZlp4&t=3s

I just think Cameron knows a comic book movie will finally take on of the top two grossing movie spots(Avatar and Titanic), especially with Black Panther already beating Titanics gross in North America(though not globally... yet)

[yeslek]

Originally Posted by DisneyBlu

It's told through dialogue.

[Show spoiler]
His home world, Titan, was on the verge of the collapse and he was dubbed "mad" for trying to do something about it. The planet eventually fell into ruin, proving Thanos correct, so it became his life goal to correct those imbalances on other worlds. He tells this to Tony while they're on Titan, using the Reality Stone to recreate what his world used to look like before it went apocalyptic, it was very lush and green and like a paradise.

The same thing happened to Gamora's home planet -- Thanos says there are finite resources and her planet was on the verge of collapse with people starving. So he wiped half of them out and from then on the planet was a paradise.

So he's basically coming from "I have to kill half of life to save the other half so what happened to my world doesn't happen to others."

Thanks .
Yeah I got the

[Show spoiler]reason behind his believe in balance; only so much life can’t be supported by resources. But didn’t get why he felt he need to be responsible for making it happen -wiping half the universe

I was able to follow it all well enough, due to the latter occurrences you mention, but I guess I’ll just have to re-watch to fully understand
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One last thing; timewise, how much would you say I missed by walking in

[Show spoiler]just after Banner warned Strange/Stark about Thanos. Then they quickly were brawling in the street and Parker had his spider-sense moment on the school bus Mayberry a couple mins after I sat down

[yeslek]

Originally Posted by DisneyBlu

Oh dude, you missed like the first ten minutes. Some major stuff happens.

[Show spoiler]It picks up where the Thor: Ragnarok credits scene left off with Thor's ship getting attacked. There are two big deaths in that scene and establishes why the Hulk doesn't show up for the rest of the movie. Then Bruce gets sent to Earth, he warns Strange, then Strange goes to a New York park (Tony/Pepper scene) to recruit Tony.

I picked up that

[Show spoiler]Loki was killed by Thanos/Black Order and Thor was forced to watch? That clip of Thanos holding a screaming Thor’s head. Thor mentions losing his brother and telling Thanos he’d kill him for it/Thanos hadn’t fought Thor twice...mostly the convo he has with Rocket.

I did also wonder how Tony got roped in when Banner landed in the Sanctum to Warner Strange - the only non-trailer clip I saw, on last fridays Graham Norton show, of which Benedict Cumberbatch was a guest, was Banner speaking his warning, how New York was really Thanos, how he was behind it and Loki’s attack, which Tony was present. So I assumed I started just after that ‘warning’ .

Ten mins IS a lot and would likely have answered amy ‘eh?’ moments.

Though thanks for catching me up. Might be a couple days before I can get out to see it again.

[Jezza]

So, I got back from seeing it a few hours ago and if I'm honest I'm not convinced it lives up to the hype. I liked the film a lot, but it is far from one of Marvel's best.

It throws you right into it with Thanos appearing in the very first scene, clearly demonstrating his brute force and in the context of its relation to a previous film. It's a bit of a downer and kind of spoils that film's ending.
The real problem though is it assumes though you know who Thanos is beyond just a few easter egg appearances here and there. There isn't really a chance to flesh out the character at an early stage and gradually build him up to the final act, which would have been more interesting.
Having said that though he is still very menacing and does feel like an unstoppable force, with moments where feel sorry for him. And his relationship with Gamora is very well handled.

It weirdly though doesn't feel like it goes anywhere.
The basic plot is Thanos collecting the Infinity Stones, with lots of big action set pieces to stop him. But because there are so many action scenes or they go on for a long time you don't really notice the progression of the plot in any meaningful way until the very end. You only pick up on the significance of why Thanos is collecting the stones towards the end.

There were also cases where some characters just popped out of nowhere.

[Show spoiler]Cap, Natasha and Sam just come out of nowhere as Vision and Wanda are under attack in Scotland. How did they know they were there?

This is still clearly a 'Part 1' film and I think that's the core problem. As we've seen with so many two-part films, the first part always suffers from just being build-up or filler until the second film where everything is truly resolved and is so much more fulfilling.

Having said all that Thanos is brilliant portrayed by Josh Brolin, the action scenes are very well executed, the interplay between Thor and the Guardians is great and does a great job at giving pretty much all the characters something to do. The ending is also brilliant, as is the post-credits scene.

I wish I wasn't being so negative though, but it just didn't click with me and I think quite a few will come away feeling slightly letdown. I think it'll be in Avengers 4 where everything will really come together and be the true climax, this is just the prelude.

[yeslek]

Originally Posted by yellowjacket1

John Campea is calling Thanos the best comic book movie villain ever.

Kevin Smith's legs are still shaking from seeing it.

Damn, this movie appears to have really delivered.

Has Kevin done his usual ‘blab for ages about everything he loved about the movie’ video yet!?
Quite like Black Panther fanboying (also didn’t click until he said, about all ladies taking down various big enemies - empowering for racial and gender ‘minorities’ )

[yeslek]

Originally Posted by Jezza

So, I got back from seeing it a few hours ago and if I'm honest I'm not convinced it lives up to the hype. I liked the film a lot, but it is far from one of Marvel's best.

It throws you right into it with Thanos appearing in the very first scene, clearly demonstrating his brute force and in the context of its relation to a previous film. It's a bit of a downer and kind of spoils that film's ending.
The real problem though is it assumes though you know who Thanos is beyond just a few easter egg appearances here and there. There isn't really a chance to flesh out the character at an early stage and gradually build him up to the final act, which would have been more interesting.
Having said that though he is still very menacing and does feel like an unstoppable force, with moments where feel sorry for him. And his relationship with Gamora is very well handled.

It weirdly though doesn't feel like it goes anywhere.
The basic plot is Thanos collecting the Infinity Stones, with lots of big action set pieces to stop him. But because there are so many action scenes or they go on for a long time you don't really notice the progression of the plot in any meaningful way until the very end. You only pick up on the significance of why Thanos is collecting the stones towards the end.

There were also cases where some characters just popped out of nowhere.

[Show spoiler]Cap, Natasha and Sam just come out of nowhere as Vision and Wanda are under attack in Scotland. How did they know they were there?

This is still clearly a 'Part 1' film and I think that's the core problem. As we've seen with so many two-part films, the first part always suffers from just being build-up or filler until the second film where everything is truly resolved and is so much more fulfilling.

Having said all that Thanos is brilliant portrayed by Josh Brolin, the action scenes are very well executed, the interplay between Thor and the Guardians is great and does a great job at giving pretty much all the characters something to do. The ending is also brilliant, as is the post-credits scene.

I wish I wasn't being so negative though, but it just didn't click with me and I think quite a few will come away feeling slightly letdown. I think it'll be in Avengers 4 where everything will really come together and be the true climax, this is just the prelude.

Such shame you felt that.

I thought the power and threat of Thanos perfect as he wa behind some prior encounters and we all have seen the power of just one infinity stone - the fact Peter Quill was able to hold just one, even for a short time, being a MASSIVE and rare deal, and after The Collector running through the history, namely just a single stone is too powerful for most being, even groups of beings sharing the weight of the power stone... so when you have this puppeteer, that has abused two ‘adoptive daughters’ the way he did with pitting Gamora and nebula against each other, ‘uprading’ their weak points, synthetically, physically, an so bio mechanically unnatural. To have this dark figure with the ability and desire to wield not just one of these infamous stones, but all of them, thus gaining ultimate control over the universes, singularly fragments.....it’s all there. He’s a bad dude you do NOT want to get his own way for fear of what extent his abuse could reach, utilising said infinity stone.

The ground work has been laid well enough, in prior movies, without distracting too much from the individual movie stories(except maybe the first Guardians as that fills in a LOT of required info IMO).

Plus

[Show spoiler]the way Stark, Strange, Spidey, Drax, Mantis and Starlord can hardly contain him, combined, with only a couple of stone....Thanos is repeatedly shown, toying with or throwing around, like rag dolls, these established and more than capeable heroes

. Am not sure how you can have those complaints......with the upmost respect it has me wondering if we had viewed the same movie(s).

Still, shame. Maybe if you revisit later down the line, or like you say, A4 may resolve your negativities about IW

[Jezza]

Originally Posted by yeslek

Such shame you felt that.

I thought the power and threat of Thanos perfect as he wa behind some prior encounters and we all have seen the power of just one infinity stone - the fact Peter Quill was able to hold just one, even for a short time, being a MASSIVE and rare deal, and after The Collector running through the history, namely just a single stone is too powerful for most being, even groups of beings sharing the weight of the power stone... so when you have this puppeteer, that has abused two ‘adoptive daughters’ the way he did with pitting Gamora and nebula against each other, ‘uprading’ their weak points, synthetically, physically, an so bio mechanically unnatural. To have this dark figure with the ability and desire to wield not just one of these infamous stones, but all of them, thus gaining ultimate control over the universes, singularly fragments.....it’s all there. He’s a bad dude you do NOT want to get his own way for fear of what extent his abuse could reach, utilising said infinity stone.

The ground work has been laid well enough, in prior movies, without distracting too much from the individual movie stories(except maybe the first Guardians as that fills in a LOT of required info IMO).

Plus

[Show spoiler]the way Stark, Strange, Spidey, Drax, Mantis and Starlord can hardly contain him, combined, with only a couple of stone....Thanos is repeatedly shown, toying with or throwing around, like rag dolls, these established and more than capeable heroes

. Am not sure how you can have those complaints......with the upmost respect it has me wondering if we had viewed the same movie(s).

Still, shame. Maybe if you revisit later down the line, or like you say, A4 may resolve your negativities about IW

Oh, I didn't dislike it, I just don't think it's a good as it should have been. I'd still give it 7/10, but there are just lots of little issues I have that may or may not be an indication of Marvel biting off more than they can chew.

As I said, I think the problem is it's a 'Part 1' film and they rarely work without the context of 'Part 2'. So I might enjoy it more in a year's time.

I've felt all along that it'll be Avengers 4 where things really come together, but because Marvel are keeping their cards so close to their chest, all we have to work off is Infinity War. So if it doesn't live entirely up to expectations, it doesn't matter, because the true climax is coming next year.

[Britbuffguy]

Originally Posted by Jezza

Oh, I didn't dislike it, I just don't think it's a good as it should have been. I'd still give it 7/10, but there are just lots of little issues I have that may or may not be an indication of Marvel biting off more than they can chew.

As I said, I think the problem is it's a 'Part 1' film and they rarely work without the context of 'Part 2'. So I might enjoy it more in a year's time.

I've felt all along that it'll be Avengers 4 where things really come together, but because Marvel are keeping their cards so close to their chest, all we have to work off is Infinity War. So if it doesn't live entirely up to expectations, it doesn't matter, because the true climax is coming next year.

No offense, but your original rant screamed 3-4/10, not a 7. All you did was bag on the movie. That 7 seems far to high.

[IronSoldier]

*sits in cinema waiting for projector to turn on*
Let's do this!

[yeslek]

Originally Posted by Jezza

Oh, I didn't dislike it, I just don't think it's a good as it should have been. I'd still give it 7/10, but there are just lots of little issues I have that may or may not be an indication of Marvel biting off more than they can chew.

As I said, I think the problem is it's a 'Part 1' film and they rarely work without the context of 'Part 2'. So I might enjoy it more in a year's time.

I've felt all along that it'll be Avengers 4 where things really come together, but because Marvel are keeping their cards so close to their chest, all we have to work off is Infinity War. So if it doesn't live entirely up to expectations, it doesn't matter, because the true climax is coming next year.

While I don’t doubt that we’ll end up with 2 halves of a whole, IW felt like it was it’s own thing and gave me the same feeling I had when I saw the first Avengers - just as the movie was gearing up for the final blow of the final fight, I found myself getting the urge to watch it again, ASAP.
Am currently fighting the urge to jump in the car and catch one of the next screenings when they start again at 10am (just over an hr away), baring in mind I’ve not slept from last night midnight premier showing.

I found myself highly entertained, fixated throughout, caring about characters twists and turns as well as fresh interactions. Plus there’s were a lot of payoffs, actual deaths of familiar, loved, faces, played out as insignificant to Thanos yet a little gut rentching to the audience, us. Mostly cos Marvel characters always survived somehow, but in this you knew and felt, anyone was fair game to be crossed off the impressive cast list.
It felt a lot like that ‘wow’ I got from the first Avengers, except there wasn’t that breathing space when the pace slowed in the middle. It was non-stop and I was reacting. Hand over the mouth shock at moments. Shaking my head in hope things don’t go south.....I felt truly invested and I beyond impressed. I didn’t think they could pull it off, I hadn’t doubts, but hope do it was at least ‘good’ but it went beyond. Kept me guessing and never quite going how I expected.

To quote an overused cliche’ I’d have to call it a ‘perfect rollercoaster of a movie’

I didn’t once think of A4 until I left the cinema and started to think ‘well what’s gonna happen now? Will any deaths stick and how will those left, be affected.


I can’t find a fault with it personally.

[yeslek]

Originally Posted by IronSoldier

*sits in cinema waiting for projector to turn on*
Let's do this!

Hope you enjoy it!

[Jezza]

Originally Posted by Britbuffguy

No offense, but your original rant screamed 3-4/10, not a 7. All you did was bag on the movie. That 7 seems far to high.

I didn't rant, if you read it as such then fine, but it certainly wasn't rant. I pointed out several things I really liked about it after all and even said I liked it in the opening paragraph.

My initial post was just my problems with it and how it didn't live up to expectations for me personally. Maybe I just felt a bit frustrated it wasn't what I hoped it'd be.