Avengers: Infinity War (2018)

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by Walts Ghost

You're right...He's not. He has handled ensembles better than Snyder has, in my opinion. Every one of his shows has been an ensemble. Why even bring Snyder up in this discussion? It has nothing to do with the matter at hand.

True and I am one of those who are quite sick of the fanboy bickering. I just hope this is excellent, especially since my affection for the GoTG film continues to grow and I really want to see these two teams take down one of the most powerful villains ever.

[DanTheMan]

Originally Posted by Astro Zombie

The prospect of seeing The Avengers and the Guardians together makes me incredibly excited!

THAT will be more satisfying to me than whatever DC and WB is trying to accomplish at the moment.

By the time Avengers 3 comes out, I'll be nearly 30 by then, and I'll still be jumping for joy like a little kid.

[KubrickKurasawa]

Originally Posted by dantheman89

THAT will be more satisfying to me than whatever DC and WB is trying to accomplish at the moment.

By the time Avengers 3 comes out, I'll be nearly 30 by then, and I'll still be jumping for joy like a little kid.

You know they're gonna botch it though. Marvel Studios always fails when it comes to the Villians.

Name their darkest villain in any movie that was actually believable? Thanos smiling and floating on a chair. Ooooo sarcastic deep breath.

I guarantee you they will botch this. They have no talent with Villains. Bath skyways in blood? Where's the blood bra? You have no infinity gauntlet yet....oh man these writers suck.

Non-existant like all their villians, they're all a joke in the marvel cinematic universe. At least they have heros like RDJr.

[Walts Ghost]

Originally Posted by KubrickKurasawa

You know they're gonna botch it though. Marvel Studios always fails when it comes to the Villians.



Name their darkest villain in any movie that was actually believable? Thanos smiling and floating on a chair. Ooooo sarcastic deep breath.



I guarantee you they will botch this. They have no talent with Villains. Bath skyways in blood? Where's the blood bra? Oh yeah non-existant like all their villians, they're all a joke in the marvel cinematic universe.

Loki. Ronan. Killian. Red Skull. Winter Soldier. Pierce.

All those villains worked. Some better than others, but they worked in their respective films. Especially Loki and Winter Soldier. My second favorite film of all time, Raiders of the Lost Ark has a fairly boring villain, but the henchman and story get you past it, making the film spectacular, even if he's not that great. The villains may not always be Marvel's strongest point, but enough of them have been good to great that I don't complain. Though it's obvious that The Dark World would have been much better had it had a better villain. Though I would say the point is, Marvel isn't making dark, realistic heroes. Their universe is comic book in nature, meaning that there's an air of fantasy to everything. It's all lighter in nature, and it works for them. I actually think we're about to get Marvel's best villain in Ultron next year.

[KubrickKurasawa]

Originally Posted by Walts Ghost

Loki. Ronan. Killian. Red Skull. Winter Soldier. Pierce.

All those villains worked. Some better than others, but they worked in their respective films. Especially Loki and Winter Soldier. My second favorite film of all time, Raiders of the Lost Ark has a fairly boring villain, but the henchman and story get you past it, making the film spectacular, even if he's not that great. The villains may not always be Marvel's strongest point, but enough of them have been good to great that I don't complain. Though it's obvious that The Dark World would have been much better had it had a better villain.

Nice try.

Marvel is good with their heroes. Non of those villains scared me for a second. The little mermaid had a scarier villain, a movie you should remember Walt.

[Walts Ghost]

Originally Posted by KubrickKurasawa

Nice try.



Marvel is good with their heroes. Non of those villains scared me for a second. The little mermaid had a scarier villain, a movie you should remember Walt.

Considering I like all the aforementioned villains more than Ursula, I may not quite agree. I don't think villains have to be scary to work. They just have to leave a lasting impression, and I remember all those villains for various reasons. Be it their mannerisms, the way they carry themselves, or the situations they cause. The Winter Soldier gives me chills every time he's on screen, before the reveal. The air of mystery around him, and the chaos that follows. Ronan's insane anger and relentless yearning to destroy Xander is very unnerving. Even Loki's unfulfilled need to be accepted, and the way he lashes out, attacking a whole planet just to try and earn domination and kinghood is enough for me to find them memorable. It has nothing to do with just being scary. There personas, their stories, and their motivations are enough for me.

Again, that's not me saying all their villains are great, they aren't. But I'd say most of their villains have worked more or less. For some more than others.

[Astro Zombie]

Originally Posted by KubrickKurasawa

Nice try.

Marvel is good with their heroes. Non of those villains scared me for a second. The little mermaid had a scarier villain, a movie you should remember Walt.

A villain doesn't have to "scare" you. Do Bond villains scare you? That doesn't mean there aren't some memorable Bond villains.

[walruswarrior]

And that folks is why Walt can't be objective towards Marvel. If there is one knock against this universe it is the weakness of most of the villains. Other than Loki and The Winter Soldier they have been pretty weak.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by walruswarrior

And that folks is why Walt can't be objective towards Marvel. If there is one knock against this universe it is the weakness of most of the villains. Other than Loki and The Winter Soldier they have been pretty weak.

Loki is just a crybaby metrosexual in the movies, he's nowhere near as awesome as he is in the comics. The Winter Soldier didn't impress me that much either. He was just a programmed drone and then when it came down to it he couldn't beat a Cap that wasn't fighting back. Pierce was better and he wasn't that good himself.

[Walts Ghost]

Originally Posted by walruswarrior

And that folks is why Walt can't be objective towards Marvel. If there is one knock against this universe it is the weakness of most of the villains. Other than Loki and The Winter Soldier they have been pretty weak.

How am I not being objective? I admitted they had weaker villains in some of their films. But I also find a lot of their villains work exactly as they should within the confines of the film. The Dark World and Iron Man in particular suffer from this. But Loki, Winter Soldier, Ronan, and Killian were all realized enough that they worked well, in my opinion. That's being objective to my tastes. You don't have to agree, but don't twist that I'm saying they're all flawless, which I clearly didn't.

[Batman1980]

I enjoyed Ronan quite a bit, he was a genocidal maniac fighting for what he believed to be right and always grasping for more power so he could continue that fight. I am hoping Ultron will deliver as well, especially after the lackluster ending to Avengers.

[KubrickKurasawa]

Originally Posted by Astro Zombie

A villain doesn't have to "scare" you. Do Bond villains scare you? That doesn't mean there aren't some memorable Bond villains.

I don't watch Bond, Bond sux, Sux Bond etc.

Thanos saying he will bathe the galaxy in blood (to us 4th wall break?) before he even has the infinity gauntlet is beyond stupid from the writers and directors Gunn/Whedon. SAY IT TO DEATH! NOT US! What is this a saved by the bell episode? Marvel is beyond goofy with villians!

[Show spoiler]When Thanos gets the IG he snaps his fingers and wipes out half of humanity/galaxy, that's when he should be saying bathe the galaxy in blood or whatever after he's gotten the infinity guantlet, and killed some people for Death don't YOU THINK?

Thanos was a poker player before he got his hands on the IG, that's how he GOT the gems by being SMART. Poker face manipulative mentality. These guys didn't even read the shit. Thanos character without Death is stupid imo.

[Walts Ghost]

Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

I enjoyed Ronan quite a bit, he was a genocidal maniac fighting for what he believed to be right and always grasping for more power so he could continue that fight. I am hoping Ultron will deliver as well, especially after the lackluster ending to Avengers.

I agree with this, and I think that he worked, in a weird way, even better in a post 9/11 world. There's something inherently unnerving and close to real life feel with how he acts to some of the things that happened in our world, and the third act of Guardians felt that way as well.

The reason I liked Killian, and the reason I thought he worked so well, is because I felt like he was a great counter to Tony. He was the demon that Tony manifested, and tried to forget about it. The way he completely begins to infiltrate his life, destroying it bit by bit, forcing Tony into a corner was interesting to me. He was very methodical. I'm one of the few who enjoys the third film the most in the series.

Loki has worked in all three of his films, and has been the highlight as well. There's a real pain behind that character, and you feel for him, but you also really hate him because he does incredibly irrational and despicable things for power.

The Red Skull as the power mad Nazi, with delusions of grandeur, in the pulp fiction film is fun. Weaving's performance is solid in it, and while I do wish he had more to do, his presence is certainly felt throughout. He works in the confines of what the film is, which is a pulp fiction adventure, so he's a pulp villain who is set on world domination and unlimited power.

Plus, you can't forget the Winter Soldier, who is creepy, unnerving, and just devastating and badass. That may be Marvel's best villain next to Loki. The way that character is treated and represented is spot on, and it works.

Also, many forget how great Tim Roth was in The Incredible Hulk as Blonsky. He was fantastic, and the Abomination was really fun and the final fight between him and the Hulk is actually one of the best third acts in the whole MCU. He worked well in that film, and he was very charismatic and memorable.

A lot of these villains have to be taken for what the movie is set up to do. But that doesn't stop the fact that Obadiah Stane, Malekith, Justin Hammer, and Ivan Vanko weren't great villains. They don't have much motive. They don't get much to do. That's the biggest problem. Marvel is far from perfect, and they do deserve flack for underwhelming villains like the ones I just mentioned, but I'd say a lot of the others do work within what the film sets up, and that's why I like them.

So, I'd say out of the ten films Marvel has made so far, I've liked the villains in seven of the films, while three of the films, being the first two Iron Man films and Thor: The Dark World being the ones that were seriously lacking.

[walruswarrior]

Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

I enjoyed Ronan quite a bit, he was a genocidal maniac fighting for what he believed to be right and always grasping for more power so he could continue that fight. I am hoping Ultron will deliver as well, especially after the lackluster ending to Avengers.

Ronan the villain who was defeated by a dancing Star-Lord.... Ummm yeah...

Stane meh... Iron Man 2 my God lets forget that. Killian was ok. Don't get me started on the "Mandarin." Malekith

Red Skull was pretty weak.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by walruswarrior

Ronan the villain who was defeated by a dancing Star-Lord.... Ummm yeah...

Stane meh... Iron Man 2 my God lets forget that. Killian was ok. Don't get me started on the "Mandarin." Malekith

Red Skull was pretty weak.

I never defended Stane or Red Skull. Ronan fell victim to his need to be taken seriously and then was wiped from existence somehow by the surviving Guardians joining together to blast him with Infinity Stone energy. Doubt there's many villains around that would've stood up to that.

[DanTheMan]

Originally Posted by walruswarrior

Ronan the villain who was defeated by a dancing Star-Lord.... Ummm yeah...

Stane meh... Iron Man 2 my God lets forget that. Killian was ok. Don't get me started on the "Mandarin." Malekith

Red Skull was pretty weak.

In Marvel's defense, Ronan was pretty good up until that particular moment. I didn't like how he just stood there until

[Show spoiler]his eventual demise

. Kinda weak. Otherwise, he put in work as a credible villain, more so than the other MCU villains you mentioned, save Loki and Winter Soldier.

[KubrickKurasawa]

Originally Posted by Walts Ghost

So, I'd say out of the ten films Marvel has made so far, I've liked the villains in seven of the films, while three of the films, being the first two Iron Man films and Thor: The Dark World being the ones that were seriously lacking.

I feel like Loki is the only Villain I certainly like in the whole MCU. I love his twisted personality and his manipulative powers in Thor 1 and 2 and The Avengers.

They (Marvel) needs to write out their villains in greater detail for sure.

[walruswarrior]

Originally Posted by dantheman89

In Marvel's defense, Ronan was pretty good up until that particular moment. I didn't like how he just stood there until

[Show spoiler]his eventual demise

. Kinda weak. Otherwise, he put in work as a credible villain, more so than the other MCU villains you mentioned, save Loki and Winter Soldier.

He was pretty good, but that ruined the character. Absolutely destroyed it. I still love Guardians, but God I wish there was a different ending.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by walruswarrior

He was pretty good, but that ruined the character. Absolutely destroyed it. I still love Guardians, but God I wish there was a different ending.

[Show spoiler]Ronan had just gotten through absorbing a stone and blasting an entire fleet by basically tapping it. He was moments away from ending Xandar's sentient population before Star Lord riled him up. Well maybe he could've killed the Guardians while they were in the cloud? Sure but he probably thought the stone would do it since they're all mortal. I noticed he was getting ready to attack when Star Lord blasted him but it was too late, he was already disintegrating.

[Randall Flagg]

I had no problem with Ronan.