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Noremac Mij · 11-05-2021, 03:15 AM

ZD9 is about to be 6 years old. Just saying…

Geoff D · 11-05-2021, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

ZD9 is about to be 6 years old. Just saying…

And Laserdisc is plenty older than that. Just saying...

Noremac Mij · 11-05-2021, 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

And Laserdisc is plenty older than that. Just saying...

Zing! Being such a Sony baloney fan, I’m actually shocked that you don’t yet have the A90J.

SpazeBlue · 11-05-2021, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

A lot of these UHD’s are still dark and just plain wrong looking. Including Alien and Die Hard.

I have a Vizio V-Series TV at the moment, which I doubt is anywhere near top-of-the-line. Die Hard didn't seem dark at all to me.

Bostonyte · 11-05-2021, 05:06 AM

Jimbo is still smoking crack, both Alien & Die Hard look fantastic on a properly setup OLED or high end LED!

Gacivory · 11-05-2021, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bostonyte

Jimbo is still smoking crack, both Alien & Die Hard look fantastic on a properly setup OLED or high end LED!

It’s what real men do!

Bostonyte · 11-05-2021, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Gacivory

It’s what real men do!

Guess I don't qualify then, unless we're talking about the crack that has hair around it?

EddieLarkin · 12-07-2021, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

The US Lionsgate UHD discs are materially different in terms of authoring because they feature a Spanish language option whereas the StudioCanal Euro versions do not. BUT the US discs still appear to have been authored by SC so I would expect the video encodes to be bit-for-bit identical.

Sorry for digging out a several years old post but caps-a-holic just updated their listing for the first film and hoo boy, this couldn't be further from the case:

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=1&x...7&l=0&i=0&go=1

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=1&x...2&l=0&i=3&go=1

The Lionsgate encoding is a ****ing dumpster fire compared to the StudioCanal disc.

Though during more difficult moments things actually reverse and the Lionsgate is superior:

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=1&x...5&l=0&i=4&go=1

I hope this hasn't already been brought up in this thread in the time since but it doesn't appear to be the case.

Brian81 · 12-07-2021, 10:38 PM

Sony baloney? Sony even made the best sets in the CRT days.

lilboyblu · 12-07-2021, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by EddieLarkin

Sorry for digging out a several years old post but caps-a-holic just updated their listing for the first film and hoo boy, this couldn't be further from the case:

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=1&x...7&l=0&i=0&go=1

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=1&x...2&l=0&i=3&go=1

The Lionsgate encoding is a ****ing dumpster fire compared to the StudioCanal disc.

Though during more difficult moments things actually reverse and the Lionsgate is superior:

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=1&x...5&l=0&i=4&go=1

I hope this hasn't already been brought up in this thread in the time since but it doesn't appear to be the case.

Neither are great. In your second screenshot, luminance noise on the Lionsgate is replaced by chroma noise on the SC.

Geoff D · 12-08-2021, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by EddieLarkin

Sorry for digging out a several years old post but caps-a-holic just updated their listing for the first film and hoo boy, this couldn't be further from the case:

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=1&x...7&l=0&i=0&go=1

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=1&x...2&l=0&i=3&go=1

The Lionsgate encoding is a ****ing dumpster fire compared to the StudioCanal disc.

Though during more difficult moments things actually reverse and the Lionsgate is superior:

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=1&x...5&l=0&i=4&go=1

I hope this hasn't already been brought up in this thread in the time since but it doesn't appear to be the case.

Cheers Eddie. The discs were still done by StudioCanal for Lionsgate but yeah, that ain't no shared video encode despite having a verr similar average bitrate.

But as said above on that third example you're just trading one set of artefacts for another, the 'blown' colour on the Lionsgate is nasty. Prefer the SC there!

In any case, it looks like we've got some decent English-friendly encodes for these flicks after all, what with the concerns about the Italian versions of 2 and 3 lacking the subtitles for the foreign dialogue bits. Well, assuming that the European SC UHDs of 2 and 3 show as much improvement as this does! Wow.

Geoff D · 12-08-2021, 12:39 AM

Although from just a very quick look at the caps maybe it really is a case of six of one and half a dozen of the other, because the SC disc really *is* tragically bad in other spots e.g. https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...83514&i=17&l=0

DanFan · 12-08-2021, 05:01 AM

Geoff,

4Kult/Eagle Pictures 4K is up for comparison on capsaholic.

What do you think of it versus the Lionsgate US release?

Thanks

jerclay · 12-08-2021, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by DanFan

Geoff,

4Kult/Eagle Pictures 4K is up for comparison on capsaholic.

What do you think of it versus the Lionsgate US release?

Thanks

No need to be Geoff, all due respect, to answer that - Eagle is superior.

indisposed · 12-08-2021, 10:40 AM

Does anyone with these Eagle transfers know if they have the missing gun shots? I'm guessing they don't as they still use the Studio Canal restoration. I feel like I'm the only one who picked up on the missing gun shots, as no one seems to bring them up (if someone has, I apologize). The automatic dirt removal process wrongly perceived them as dirt and deleted them ; for example, the scene in First Blood where Rambo is chased into the cave by the National Guard, gunfire has been taken out, even though you can still see a reflection of the flash on a nearby tree (which to be fair, highlights just how good most of the transfer is in general).

It's a bit more noticeable in Rambo II, where deleted gunfire from the Russian troops during the helicopter attack (on the POW camp) scene, makes the troops look even more incompetent than ever, due to not taking cover, firing there guns at a helicopter that's out of their range and now in some cases, not even firing their guns at all

There's also the overblown (contrast problems?) looking explosions in Rambo III, which takes the nuance out of some fantastic practical effects, but that's another matter, I guess.

pino · 12-08-2021, 03:13 PM

Holy sh*t...

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...83705&i=18&l=1

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...183715&i=8&l=1

DR Herbert West · 12-08-2021, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by pino

Holy sh*t...

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...83705&i=18&l=1

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...183715&i=8&l=1

Horrific.

captainjoe · 12-08-2021, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by pino

Holy sh*t...

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...83705&i=18&l=1

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...183715&i=8&l=1

You know it's bad when you can see the artifacts in the postage stamp preview image

FilmFreakosaurus · 12-08-2021, 03:34 PM

So, what about the Eagle version vs the Studio Canal or Lionsgate? The Studio Canal version does have sections that have macroblocking too.

dylrichard02 · 12-08-2021, 03:40 PM

Part two has it's trade offs on both discs too:

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?d1=16...1&a=2&go=1&l=1

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=2&x...&l=1&i=11&go=1

But those that Pino shared are awful on the LG disc and here too:

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...83680&i=17&l=1

StudioCanal is definitely the winner between the two. Hopefully some Eagle caps go up.

11-05-2021, 03:15 AM	#2041
Noremac Mij Banned Member since:Aug 2018 4K collection:80 Blu-ray collection:80	ZD9 is about to be 6 years old. Just saying…

11-05-2021, 05:06 AM	#2045
Bostonyte Power Member Member since:Aug 2018 Location:Las Vegas, NV Home Theater Gallery:2 4K collection:262 Blu-ray collection:329 MA collection:18 Digital collection:28 Prime collection:1 Trading Score:101	Jimbo is still smoking crack, both Alien & Die Hard look fantastic on a properly setup OLED or high end LED!

12-07-2021, 10:38 PM	#2049
Brian81 Blu-ray Champion Member since:Mar 2011 Trading Score:4	Sony baloney? Sony even made the best sets in the CRT days.

12-08-2021, 12:39 AM	#2052
Geoff D Blu-ray Emperor Top contributor Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Swanage, Engerland 4K collection:1348 Blu-ray collection:2525 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:33	Although from just a very quick look at the caps maybe it really is a case of six of one and half a dozen of the other, because the SC disc really is tragically bad in other spots e.g. https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...83514&i=17&l=0

12-08-2021, 05:01 AM	#2053
DanFan Special Member Member since:May 2008 Location:Pittsburgh 4K collection:638 Blu-ray collection:1382 DVD collection:249 Trading Score:110	Geoff, 4Kult/Eagle Pictures 4K is up for comparison on capsaholic. What do you think of it versus the Lionsgate US release? Thanks

12-08-2021, 10:40 AM	#2055
indisposed Power Member Member since:Oct 2010 Location:South Wales, U.K	Does anyone with these Eagle transfers know if they have the missing gun shots? I'm guessing they don't as they still use the Studio Canal restoration. I feel like I'm the only one who picked up on the missing gun shots, as no one seems to bring them up (if someone has, I apologize). The automatic dirt removal process wrongly perceived them as dirt and deleted them ; for example, the scene in First Blood where Rambo is chased into the cave by the National Guard, gunfire has been taken out, even though you can still see a reflection of the flash on a nearby tree (which to be fair, highlights just how good most of the transfer is in general). It's a bit more noticeable in Rambo II, where deleted gunfire from the Russian troops during the helicopter attack (on the POW camp) scene, makes the troops look even more incompetent than ever, due to not taking cover, firing there guns at a helicopter that's out of their range and now in some cases, not even firing their guns at all There's also the overblown (contrast problems?) looking explosions in Rambo III, which takes the nuance out of some fantastic practical effects, but that's another matter, I guess.

12-08-2021, 03:13 PM	#2056
pino Active Member Member since:Oct 2008 4K collection:5 Blu-ray collection:9	Holy sh*t... https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...83705&i=18&l=1 https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...183715&i=8&l=1

12-08-2021, 03:34 PM	#2059
FilmFreakosaurus Banned Member since:Apr 2012 Location:US of A Blu-ray collection:306 DVD collection:17	So, what about the Eagle version vs the Studio Canal or Lionsgate? The Studio Canal version does have sections that have macroblocking too.

12-08-2021, 03:40 PM	#2060
dylrichard02 Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Feb 2019 Location:In the mouth of madness 4K collection:593 Blu-ray collection:2207 DVD collection:271 MA collection:9 Digital collection:10 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:1	Part two has it's trade offs on both discs too: https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?d1=16...1&a=2&go=1&l=1 https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=2&x...&l=1&i=11&go=1 But those that Pino shared are awful on the LG disc and here too: https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...83680&i=17&l=1 StudioCanal is definitely the winner between the two. Hopefully some Eagle caps go up.

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