Lord of the Rings Trilogy (Theatrical Versions) - April 6, 2010

[radagast]

Originally Posted by rockyoumonkeys

Last point first: why bother? Because they can. That's pretty much the end of the argument.

If nobody buys them, you can have the last laugh. But there's a problem with your argument: you've claimed that pretty much everyone who's going to buy the movies has already done so. This isn't remotely true, and for one big reason: a great many people are holding out for the Extended versions.

Did you even think about that before you wrote it? I claimed that most people who want the theatricals have already bought the boxset. That has NOTHING to do with the Extended Editions. The separate editions are the theatricals, so anyone holding out for the Extended Editions are NOT going to buy the theatricals separately either. So your argument there is absurd. Now if someone changes their mind and decides to buy the theatricals, then they can either get the boxset or the separate editions. Unless the boxset is going OOP, then having both the boxset and the separate editions is superfluous. But they can choose whatever they like at that point. I still maintain that by the time the separate editions come out, most people that want to buy the theatricals will already have done so. Will they sell some separates? Sure. But nothing even close to how many boxsets will have been sold and will probably continue to sell, if it isn't OOP.

Originally Posted by rockyoumonkeys

Problem is, it's becoming clearer and clearer that the Extended versions are a couple years off. Now all those people who were going to wait have to decide whether they really want to wait those two years, or whether they should just go ahead, bite the bullet on the theatrical cuts, and then double dip in two years' time.

But they already have that problem NOW, so they can go ahead and get the boxset NOW and not have to wait until the separate releases come out. Again your reasoning holds no weight. I don't believe the current boxset has had a high rate of damaged discs, so your experience is probably unusual.

Originally Posted by rockyoumonkeys

Yes, but you're insisting that because the three movies are one story, they must be presented as one. So why then didn't Peter Jackson wait until they were ALL done and then release them all simultaneously? It's one story, after all!

No, I'm not. I'll try yet again to state my position. I don't think I am using words too big or sentences too complex. The movies were split up roughly along the same places as the three books. That has nothing to do with how the Blu-rays have been marketed so far. Of course there could not have been one big movie. There you go again coming up with strawman arguments that have nothing to do with what I'm saying.

Originally Posted by rockyoumonkeys

Forget about the individual theatrical releases for a moment. Pretend that the only way to see the movies was by buying a ticket to the marathon. Because that's essentially what you're saying for the BD. It's all or nothing. You have to buy all of them, or none of them. You may not understand why someone might want one movie but not another, but you're just one person, and you're one of the most over-the-top LOTR fans I've ever seen. So you aren't an average fan. You can't speak for average fans. And you certainly don't think like an average fan.

And who are you to determine what the "average fan" is like? Over the top? In what way? I've read the books many times and would never have read one book and not the other two. That wouldn't make any sense.

Why would a "fan" want to buy part of the story and not all of it? Are you really trying to say that when the theatricals come out, people are not going to buy all three? An "average fan" may only buy one movie? That's totally weird. It's not over the top to look upon the movies as one big story. Tolkien wanted it published as one book.

Originally Posted by rockyoumonkeys

Now let me finish this up by asking a question: are you equally as put out that LOTR is and has been available as three separate books? That you can even buy each book individually? How do you think those books sell? Pretty well, I'd wager. So how is it different for the movies?

Answer: it's not.

Answer: It is. The books came out at different times so there are three of them. There are many one volume editions as well. I don't know anyone who has one of the three books or two of the three books. If they have Fellowship, they have Towers and King. Why would anyone read one of the books, and not the other two? An average fan of the books would always read all three. The main reason I've heard that people like three books is that one book is too big, and heavy. So is that the same for a Blu-ray boxset? No. There will be people that will buy the separate editions. They will be less than 1% of the people who bought the boxset, ONLY because it was out several months sooner. That's my point. If they had done both at the same time, it would be a different story. If, when the boxset came out, they had announced that later there were going to be separate editions, then that would be a different story. The books are a totally different issue. They didn't publish a one volume set and then later release them as separate books. It was the other way around. AGAIN, your argument fails.

[rockyoumonkeys]

All of this boils down to one simple thing: You are under the impression that every fan of the movies is as dedicated as you. That it's a simple decision whether to get the theatrical version NOW, as opposed to in a few months, or a year.

For a lot of people, it's not. They like the films, but not necessarily enough to buy them NOW. It's a purchase that can wait. For me, there are a bunch of movies that I'd probably like to own, but am just not in a hurry to buy.

Anyway, I quit. This argument clearly means more to you than it does to me. Despite your earlier denial, you are absolutely an over-the-top LOTR fan. I mean come on, you're one of those people who buys the books over and over and over. I'd think you'd LOVE the idea of more BD versions to buy.

I've already said my piece, and reasonable people will understand it. You're treating this like some sort of high school debate.

The point again is, they're releasing them separately because they can, and people will buy them. End of story.

[Beta Man]

play nice..........

[RedZeppelin]

Originally Posted by rockyoumonkeys

. . .For a lot of people, it's not. They like the films, but not necessarily enough to buy them NOW. It's a purchase that can wait. For me, there are a bunch of movies that I'd probably like to own, but am just not in a hurry to buy. . .

This.

I'm a huge fan of LOTR and have read it several times. I was never tempted to buy the current BD set because a) I can wait for the director's cut release, and b) the only movie I really liked in the trilogy was FOTR. Jackson tinkered with the story too much for my taste in TT and ROTK.

I'd be perfectly happy owning the director's cut of FOTR, so I'm happy to hear about individual releases. I know how the story ends, after all.

[Cook]

I am glad they are releasing them seperately. Unlike some as a fan I like to own all versions of these films, and that includes the Theatricle versions. However, I did not want to dish out $50 at one time. As seperate releases eventually Il be able to get them for like $10 a piece and I can buy them over time instead of having to dish out $50 at one time. That may not make much sense to some, but with this announcement I am far more interested in getting these. Plus, my favorite is Fellowship of the Ring and thats the one I'm most interested in having on Bluray.

[radagast]

Originally Posted by rockyoumonkeys

All of this boils down to one simple thing: You are under the impression that every fan of the movies is as dedicated as you. That it's a simple decision whether to get the theatrical version NOW, as opposed to in a few months, or a year.

For a lot of people, it's not. They like the films, but not necessarily enough to buy them NOW. It's a purchase that can wait. For me, there are a bunch of movies that I'd probably like to own, but am just not in a hurry to buy.

Anyway, I quit. This argument clearly means more to you than it does to me. Despite your earlier denial, you are absolutely an over-the-top LOTR fan. I mean come on, you're one of those people who buys the books over and over and over. I'd think you'd LOVE the idea of more BD versions to buy.

I've already said my piece, and reasonable people will understand it. You're treating this like some sort of high school debate.

The point again is, they're releasing them separately because they can, and people will buy them. End of story.

You ought to quit because you can't defend your position. You started this with your stupid insult about my "absurd logic". My logic is never absurd. I'll put my ability at logic up against anyone, anytime, anyplace. So if you are going to start a fight, don't come to a gunfight with a knife. That's the only reason this argument means anything to me.

No one has to buy the films now. I never said that. They CAN buy the films now if they want the TEs. They can wait for the EEs even though there is no definite promise or announcement that they are ever coming out on Blu-ray. Anyone who is sure they are coming out is assuming so.

WB can so whatever they please. I never said otherwise. I said they have poor timing. And you are wrong if you think I love the idea of more BR versions to buy. I don't care one way or the other. You clearly don't understand anything I've said. "Reasonable people" would never have thrown gasoline on a fire and then complain about the burns. Don't place yourself in the category of reasonable people. You are insulting, and arrogant.

People will buy them. But more would have bought them if WB had handled it differently. And reasonable people will understand what I am saying and ignore all the strawmen you have built to attack me for something I didn't do or say.

Originally Posted by RedZeppelin

This.

I'm a huge fan of LOTRO and have read it several times. I was never tempted to buy the current BD set because a) I can wait for the director's cut release, and b) the only movie I really liked in the trilogy was FOTR. Jackson tinkered with the story too much for my taste in TT and ROTK.

I'd be perfectly happy owning the director's cut of FOTR, so I'm happy to hear about individual releases. I know how the story ends, after all.

Originally Posted by Cook

I am glad they are releasing them seperately. Unlike some as a fan I like to own all versions of these films, and that includes the Theatricle versions. However, I did not want to dish out $50 at one time. As seperate releases eventually Il be able to get them for like $10 a piece and I can buy them over time instead of having to dish out $50 at one time. That may not make much sense to some, but with this announcement I am far more interested in getting these. Plus, my favorite is Fellowship of the Ring and thats the one I'm most interested in having on Bluray.

There are probably many others like these two above that would have bought the separate releases if they had been announced at the time the boxset came out, but instead bought the boxset. So the ones who would have liked the separate releases but bought the boxset WON'T buy the separate releases becuase they ALREADY BOUGHT THE BOXSET. After the DVDs of both the TEs and EEs had been out on DVD for a while, New Line decided to release them again with both versions together. Did they sell well? No. Why? Because most fans of the movies had ALREADY BOUGHT either the TE DVDs and/or the EE DVDs. I don't know how I could say that any clearer. It's not about all the tangents that rockyoumonkeys went off on, it's about the TIMING of the annoucements. WB would have sold more of the separate editions if they had done their marketing differently. How could it be any more plain what I am trying to say?

[rockyoumonkeys]

Originally Posted by radagast

You are insulting, and arrogant.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Originally Posted by radagast

WB would have sold more of the separate editions if they had done their marketing differently. How could it be any more plain what I am trying to say?

And they would have sold fewer boxed sets. So what's the big deal? It still would have evened out in the end.

[radagast]

Originally Posted by rockyoumonkeys

Pot. Kettle. Black.




And they would have sold fewer boxed sets. So what's the big deal? It still would have evened out in the end.

I never said it wouldn't even out in the end. Where do you come up with this stuff? And I wasn't arrogant enough to start insulting you for no reason or take your words out of context like you have done to me. There is no big deal except the fact that YOU MADE IT A BIG DEAL. You still don't get what I am stating. The fact that WB has screwed up the release of the separate editions means they will sell fewer than they could have. That's why I said "why bother?" I think WB messed up. That's all.

Pot Kettle Black. How original and witty, skippy. I have a great track record for predicting things that will happen based only on logic. I emailed New Line and told them that they were going to deeply regret making The Golden Compass into a movie. They would suffer financially. I'm sure my email never got to anyone important. But I was right. That and a few other boneheaded moves almost bankrupted New Line. And that is after New Line made almost pure profit on The Two Towers and The Return on the King, because Fellowship paid for all three movies.

Maybe I'm wrong this time. If so, good for WB.

Next time if you are going to get into a battle of wits, come with some ammunition.

If The Hobbit movie is ever made, and it is in two parts, I hope WB releases both parts separately on BD so you can buy one and not the other.

[bytor]

Some funny stuff here. Count me as one of the people that only wants one movie from the trilogy. Just The Fellowship of the Ring for me please, so I'm happy they'll be selling them separately. They're using the same transfers right?

[DavePS3]

I never read the books and didn't expect to like the films at all since I was ready for films about short furry guys with big feet, traipsing about the tall grass while speaking in a broken Shakespeare dialect. Shows what crap can get into an uneducated head at times. However, I loved the movies. I bought the theatrical special editions and then the extended cuts. Still have them both but while I'd love to see them again in HD, I can't justify the double dipping again so I'm simply going to wait for the longer versions because I feel they are just better cuts.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

Originally Posted by dcowboy7

The thing i dont like about the 3 seperate releases is now someone who gets all 3 it will count as 3 blurays in their collection total # here....while if u have just the trilogy it still only counts as 1 bluray.

Not fair.

i own alot of trilogies n stuff, but in my collection if separate releases are available to choose then i put them in, so the number of blu rays on here is closer to the actual number i own

[DavePS3]

Originally Posted by Lt. Aldo Raine

i own alot of trilogies n stuff, but in my collection if separate releases are available to choose then i put them in, so the number of blu rays on here is closer to the actual number i own

I'd have to agree. It doesn't matter to me what the packaging is, fact is they are still three separate films and should go into your collection as such but hey, the world would be pretty boring if we all did things the same way for the same reasons. Do whatcha wanna do!

[Nick666]

When will they release extended editions on blu-ray ?

[lDlisturb3d]

Originally Posted by Nick666

When will they release extended editions on blu-ray ?

good question im curious as well!

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by bytor

Some funny stuff here. Count me as one of the people that only wants one movie from the trilogy. Just The Fellowship of the Ring for me please, so I'm happy they'll be selling them separately. They're using the same transfers right?

I doubt the transfers will be any different but I'd wait for a review to be sure.

[Diesel]

Originally Posted by Nick666

When will they release extended editions on blu-ray ?

This remains unknown as of now.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Read the books, saw the movies. Liked all three films in the theater and enjoyed them even more with the extended cuts on DVD.

Not in a hurry to have these films. I can wait for the EEs to hit blu.

[AintNoSin]

Originally Posted by Nick666

When will they release extended editions on blu-ray ?

Short version: The blu-ray release of the extended editions is allegedly tied to the theatrical release of The Hobbit. That movie is in complete chaos due to MGM's financial woes, so one know when that will happen. No sooner than 2012 at this rate.

[stace5000]

-I haven't found any information on it.
-There should be one.
-LOTR 1-3 picture quality was pitiful... at best.

[captainjoe]

Originally Posted by stace5000

-I haven't found any information on it.
-There should be one.
-LOTR 1-3 picture quality was pitiful... at best.

Obvious troll is obvious