Lord of the Rings Trilogy (Theatrical Versions) - April 6, 2010

[radagast]

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

In anticipation of the movie release, we are going to read Lord of the Rings as a group beginning on Thursday, March 25, which as fans know, is the anniversary of the day the Ring was destroyed (it was Radagast's idea). Here is the link to the group: https://forum.blu-ray.com/group.php?groupid=71

Actually it wasn't my idea. I was just making note of the fact that the official Tolkien Reading Day corresponded with that event.

[Fors*]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

Then why post anything in this thread?

Should there only be positive things posted, even if the positive things aren't based on anything factual?

The negative aspects of this transfer are exactly what should be talked about in these kinds of threads - those are the things potential consumers want to know the most about.

The endless "I can't wait!," "I Love lotR's, yay!," or two people going back and forth about their families and how they're going to spend their vacations isn't really doing anything but taking up space. If I didn't know anything about it I think I'd rather know that this transfer uses the old master and is essentially the broadcast version with DNR applied more than I'd rather know that that one dude "only cares about audio" (something that he has to compulsively remind everyone every 35 seconds.)

Why not start a thread specifically about the PQ of this release? Seems simple enough....

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Mike2060

I guess we are trying to convince the non-believers.

Exactly what is the point? Those that want to buy it will buy it because

1. they are fine with the release
2. they enjoy the movies and they want them
3. they don't care about details on PQ & AQ

Those that do not like it won't buy it because

1. the hate the transfert
2. they were expecting better
3. they don't care the others are saying it's good enough

At the end of the day, what was actualy done? A few people mad, a few insults posted, a few people added to ignore list or ban or suspended. All in the name of what exactly? Have yet to ever see any of these forum argument achieve anything.

[radagast]

Originally Posted by ack_bak

It is Warner's fault. Clearly DNR was applied post production and the DNR is present on the BD screenshots and not on the HDTV broadcast. So it was not "baked" into the master.

It does not appear that these movies, as a whole, are as bad as say "Gladiator" or "Patton", but as you mentioned these should have been meticulously encoded, and remastered if necessary. They also should have utilized as much of that 50GB space as possible and maxed out the bitrates as much as possible.

There are no excuses. This is not the type of movie where I ever want to wonder "what if"...

How does DNR show up in the pictures?

[DaViD Boulet]

Originally Posted by kpkelley

Not all such conversions are created equal. There would still be smoother motion and fewer motion artifacts from the progressive blu-ray than the interlaced hdtv broadcast.

Deinterlacing engines that do proper 3-2 pulldown literally zip together the fields into frames that were there originally and split apart... there is no scaling or synthesizing of data in such deinterlacing, and the only artifact you'd see if the engine got confused bcs of a bad edit etc. would be momentary combing. 3-2 pulldown reversal/frame reconstruction is a known process and doesn't need to be debated.

One other thing screenshots can't show us is whether or not the "grain" people believe they are seeing in the hdtv screenshots are not in fact digital noise created from the transfer.

that could be possible. However, there does appear to be more detail in the image of those captures in addition to the more visible grain.

I haven't seen the blu as of yet, and am reserving judgement on it's quality, but I find it hard to believe that the HDTV broadcast could be superior.

That's exactly why folks who know first-hand that the HDTV broadcast looks more detailed are so upset... because that should never be the case!

dave

[radagast]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Exactly what is the point? Those that want to buy it will buy it because

1. they are fine with the release
2. they enjoy the movies and they want them
3. they don't care about details on PQ & AQ

Those that do not like it won't buy it because

1. they hate the transfer
2. they were expecting better
3. they don't care the others are saying it's good enough

At the end of the day, what was actualy done? A few people mad, a few insults posted, a few people added to ignore list or ban or suspended. All in the name of what exactly? Have yet to ever see any of these forum argument achieve anything.

Everyone needs a hobby, and arguing is a hobby to some.

[DaViD Boulet]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Exactly what is the point? Those that want to buy it will buy it because

1. they are fine with the release
2. they enjoy the movies and they want them
3. they don't care about details on PQ & AQ

Those that do not like it won't buy it because

1. the hate the transfert
2. they were expecting better
3. they don't care the others are saying it's good enough

At the end of the day, what was actualy done? A few people mad, a few insults posted, a few people added to ignore list or ban or suspended. All in the name of what exactly? Have yet to ever see any of these forum argument achieve anything.

Studio contacts read these forums daily. If the concensus in a thread for an important title bears witness to a mastering/transfer flaw, rest assured it gets to the right ears and may very likely help improve future releases from that studio.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

Then why post anything in this thread?

Should there only be positive things posted, even if the positive things aren't based on anything factual?

The negative aspects of this transfer are exactly what should be talked about in these kinds of threads - those are the things potential consumers want to know the most about.

The endless "I can't wait!," "I Love lotR's, yay!," or two people going back and forth about their families and how they're going to spend their vacations isn't really doing anything but taking up space. If I didn't know anything about it I think I'd rather know that this transfer uses the old master and is essentially the broadcast version with DNR applied more than I'd rather know that that one dude "only cares about audio" (something that he has to compulsively remind everyone every 35 seconds.)

I am going to go with a example, the Avatar thread. The Avatar thread is full of post about people totaly in love with this movie. I did not enjoy it personaly, was alright but nothing ground breaking IMO. I posted once about it, gave my opinion on the movie, got a few flames (some people just feel the need to flame) but that was pretty much it. I did not make 20-25-30 post about how I did not enjoy the movie. I made that clear the first time. Arguing with the others here (who do not share your view concerning the PQ) will not change their mind nor will it change your mind. Contacting WB and telling them why you refuse to buy this release will. Star a thread with contact at WB and let people go in that share your view or are disapointed in the release find the right info on how and who to complain to at WB. Then again, that is only my sugestion to you. If you feel you are actualy reaching people here, then go for it all speed ahead but I doubt very much it will achieve much at the end of it all.

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by Fors*

Why not start a thread specifically about the PQ of this release? Seems simple enough....

That's exactly what this thread IS about.

This is from the opening part of the opening post:

I hope by then Warner will be smart enough to provide the titles in highest bit rate video and full HD audio with no extra DNR. Hopefully they'll also be the extended editions.

If you want to talk to that other dude about his kids endlessly, or to remind everyone that you only care about audio on this release, you should make a separate thread for that.

[radagast]

Originally Posted by Goldengirl

Incidentally, to the poster who asked about the "Restoration" section, and wasn't, I don't think, given an answer, let me say that the person who wrote that was talking about the Restoration area (coming soon) on the official site, LordoftheRings.net . Hopefully more will be revealed when that part of the site goes live.

Thank you.

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

I am going to go with a example, the Avatar thread. The Avatar thread is full of post about people totaly in love with this movie. I did not enjoy it personaly, was alright but nothing ground breaking IMO. I posted once about it, gave my opinion on the movie, got a few flames (some people just feel the need to flame) but that was pretty much it. I did not make 20-25-30 post about how I did not enjoy the movie. I made that clear the first time. Arguing with the others here (who do not share your view concerning the PQ) will not change their mind nor will it change your mind. Contacting WB and telling them why you refuse to buy this release will. Star a thread with contact at WB and let people go in that share your view or are disapointed in the release find the right info on how and who to complain to at WB. Then again, that is only my sugestion to you. If you feel you are actualy reaching people here, then go for it all speed ahead but I doubt very much it will achieve much at the end of it all.

This is a thread about the quality of this trilogy release on BluRay, not a general thread about how people feel about the LotR movies in general like that Avatar thread. And you complaining about Avatar is truly not going to change anything, Cameron is not going to go back and reshoot Avatar regardless of how many people complain. Enough complaints about this release HAS the potential to be productive, it might convince Warner to remaster it. It's a dumb analogy.

Talking about all aspects of the image quality is exactly what this thread is about.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

This is a thread about the quality of this trilogy release on BluRay, not a general thread about how people feel about the LotR movies like that Avatar thread.

Talking about all aspects of the image quality is exactly what this thread is about.

Funny how rules change from thread to thread depending who need's to justify what

Look, I don't truly care go right ahead and have fun complaining and arguing, just won't really accomplish anything.

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Look, I don't truly care go right ahead and have fun complaining and arguing, just won't really accomplish anything.

And yet, Gladiator is getting remastered.

People involved with the process do read these types of forums, you know.

[Fors*]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

That's exactly what this thread IS about.

This is from the opening part of the opening post:

I hope by then Warner will be smart enough to provide the titles in highest bit rate video and full HD audio with no extra DNR. Hopefully they'll also be the extended editions.

If you want to talk to that other dude about his kids endlessly, or to remind everyone that you only care about audio on this release, you should make a separate thread for that.

Each one of those posts that had mention of our kids also included a relevant point about this release or LOTR in general. I can assure you that not every sentence in every post before today was 100% spot on relevant to the topic.

For someone who had less than 40 posts before today and has been an uncontributing member since 2007 to this site, you suddenly have a lot to say to people, instead of with people. Time to stop the personal attacks and move on....

[Beta Man]

Discuss whatever you want pertaining to the release of these on Blu-ray...... but let's please keep it CIVIL....... Also, although much can be extrapolated from the screen-caps...... it might be good to wait to see some reviews and actually view it yourself (and I'm not blindly supporting, I'm just giving the benefit of doubt..... I don't even like these movies)

BUT AGAIN..... keep it civil.....

I'll weigh in with this.......

Just because much discussion occurred with Gladiator, doesn't mean this, or any other forum were the reason for a remaster.... perhaps the director, or other studio personnel watched it..... which lead to the "Why so much DNR??? We better re-do this"

I find that scenario more likely.

[Fors*]

Originally Posted by Beta Man

Discuss whatever you want pertaining to the release of these on Blu-ray...... but let's please keep it CIVIL....... Also, although much can be extrapolated from the screen-caps...... it might be good to wait to see some reviews and actually view it yourself (and I'm not blindly supporting, I'm just giving the benefit of doubt..... I don't even like these movies)

BUT AGAIN..... keep it civil.....

I'll weigh in with this.......

Just because much discussion occurred with Gladiator, doesn't mean this, or any other forum were the reason for a remaster.... perhaps the director, or other studio personnel watched it..... which lead to the "Why so much DNR??? We better re-do this"

I find that scenario more likely.

Thank you Beta Man......

[DaViD Boulet]

Just because much discussion occurred with Gladiator, doesn't mean this, or any other forum were the reason for a remaster.... perhaps the director, or other studio personnel watched it..... which lead to the "Why so much DNR??? We better re-do this"

Although if a director happened to have a lot of clout (Cameron, Lucas, Speilberg) and was really incensed by a shoddy blu-ray release, that might work to put pressure, but no studio has ever spent thousands of dollars to remaster, reauthor, and re-release a title just because some folks down the hall casually thought it might be a neat idea. If you knew how long and hard HT-advocates had to work with FOX just to *convince* them that there was *even a problem* with the Patton BD release, this would be evident. Studios do not merely look through their manufactured product and seek out ways to improve image and sound quality. In fact, often when a disc has merely been authored but not even yet replicated, it's considered too costly to fix many AV problems that come to light that otheriwse might have been improved (think of all the WB titles that were authored with lossy audio and slated for replication months after WB had officially committed to lossless audio, but refused to go back and simply re-author with the lossless file!).

Consumer outcry has led to almost every re-release we've seen so far on Blu-ray when QC is the reason for the reissue (obviously not talking about re-releases meant to gain new market share like a newer SE release versus an early bare-bones). That pressure is not restricted to discussion forums of course: folks like Bill Hunt and other persons, in part because of the discussions on boards like this, also contact the studios and put pressure. but rest assured that it's pressure to revisit these titles, and not some well-meaning studio sentiment, that is the source of re-issues.

[sfmarine]

Originally Posted by Beta Man

Discuss whatever you want pertaining to the release of these on Blu-ray...... but let's please keep it CIVIL....... Also, although much can be extrapolated from the screen-caps...... it might be good to wait to see some reviews and actually view it yourself (and I'm not blindly supporting, I'm just giving the benefit of doubt..... I don't even like these movies)

BUT AGAIN..... keep it civil.....

I'll weigh in with this.......

Just because much discussion occurred with Gladiator, doesn't mean this, or any other forum were the reason for a remaster.... perhaps the director, or other studio personnel watched it..... which lead to the "Why so much DNR??? We better re-do this"

I find that scenario more likely.

Very good point...keep the thread civil and pertaining to the main fact that LOTR's is finally coming to Blu-ray. I'm anxious to read some of the upcoming reviews.

[Fors*]

Originally Posted by sfmarine

Very good point...keep the thread civil and pertaining to the main fact that LOTR's is finally coming to Blu-ray. I'm anxious to read some of the upcoming reviews.

I keep checking for the review for this site, but haven't found any info as to when that will be. I assume it should be very soon, right?

[threefiftyrocket]

Originally Posted by Fors*

I keep checking for the review for this site, but haven't found any info as to when that will be. I assume it should be very soon, right?

Hopefully...

I just can't take the wait anymore... I can't rest... I can't sleep...