Lord of the Rings Trilogy (Theatrical Versions) - April 6, 2010

[Bishop_99]

Originally Posted by mredman

I have Twister and it looks better on my TV then on that screencap.
Man on Fire looks like that i think. can't remember. But i can remember a lot of grain in some scenes but the picture was sharp throughout

I wish I could see an improvement. When ever I've played Twister, It always has an extremely soft look, as if the entire movie was shot slightly out of focus. Tried them on two different HDTV's and I personally haven't seen any improvement with detail.

Man On Fire is extreme sharp through out though, same as in it's screenshots. It's grainy but it goes well with the film. Out of the movies I have, I haven't seen any in which the screenshots posted in the site have been inaccurate with what I end up seeing on the movie. For me at least.

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by radagast

What I want to know is whether or not the PQ on FOTR is good enough that you can see the car driving off with a dust cloud on a dirt road, off in the distance, while Frodo and Sam are leaving the Shire.

Are they in the car?

[Mike2060]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Its DTS-ES, not DD EX, but my good friend CaptVeg already alerted me to the fact that few DVDs mastered in DTS-ES actually had a discrete 6th channel - and while the LOTR EE discs are DTS-ES, apparently they are not 6.1 discrete...much to my annoyance. No wonder I had to reset all my sound levels when watching the LOTR extended editions...

The original theatrical edition DVDs were DD EX.

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by radagast

I hope you're right. I am wavering between waiting for the price to come down or making it a day one purchase.

With the way this thing is looking, you will probably be able to get the entire trilogy for $29.99 by Black Friday, if not sooner.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

Are they in the car?

Yup and they're playing keep away with Sauron and the One Ring.

[captveg]

Originally Posted by Mike2060

The original theatrical edition DVDs were DD EX.

Thanks. So, they were essentially the same thing (5.1 w/ a sixth non-discrete channel) only via different brands (DD vs. DTS).

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by Trogdor2010

Too easy to be cynical in topics such as this, it's just so temptimg to throw wood in the burning fire. I have no problem of how they treat it, and I have not seen the Lord of the rings movies in years, and I though of rewatching them on blu ray would reframe my opinion. I'm just thinking of how well they already did with classic films on Blu ray (especially The Seventh Seal), and how they tempered with fans by ignoring people who have more dedication (some more ignorant may call obsession) to their theater, so allow the people to make it easier to ingest on smaller televsion sets, and make those of us who spent much money and time on their theaters to choke on. I can't do anything about it though.

They should have handled this one with the same care they lavish on Criterion releases. Someone at WB dropped the ball big time.

[DaViD Boulet]

Originally Posted by Brodo Faggins

The cap I intially viewed was on a laptop. It looked awful. I later viewed the same cap on my TV. It was closer in comparison to the BD, the difference almost negligible.

Do you agree that most people would be viewing these caps on a laptop and therefore seeing what I saw initially, a terrile picture?

That all depends on calibration and blu-ray/display settings. Are they using PC or video contrast? Is their home display properly calibrated? for that matter, is their PC display delivering proper image reproduction?

I think you raise a good point though. I plan to go home and hook my laptop up to my 1080p projector and view the screen-caps there as well to see if it looks much different than what I see on my two LCD monitors (one at work and one at home).

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by Brodo Faggins

The cap I intially viewed was on a laptop. It looked awful. I later viewed the same cap on my TV. It was closer in comparison to the BD, the difference almost negligible.

Do you agree that most people would be viewing these caps on a laptop and therefore seeing what I saw initially, a terrile picture?

Again, you are making the exact same point I've been making in both of your paragraphs.

The cap is the frame.

How it appears to you depends on what display you're viewing it on, whether that display be a laptop screen or your LCD TV.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with the cap.

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

Just to clarify, I'll never forget the faults are there. I'll always wish the transfer was better. However, I actively try to work through my disappointment so I can enjoy a film I truly love.

I'm hoping that when I finally get it, the quality of the story will be enough to forget about the inexcusable transfer. If there is no reissue, I will just dump it when the EE's are released in a couple of years.

[Fighter]

I'm still looking forward to the release on the 6th.

In regards to all of the negative posts....I just don't understand the investment of time complaining about a movie that you haven't even watched yet on your H.T. system. Simply ridiculous!! Move on to something else to ***** about.

[Beta Man]

Originally Posted by mredman

Yeah i read the review but have read what Brodo Faggins says about it. He says those screenshot does not give it justice at all

Read the post from KB...... he states they are direct rips, and what is shown in the screen caps is what he sees in the Blu-ray during motion.... so as far as I am concerned, that's verification that the screen caps are accurate..... you're comparing a professional reviewer's observations with that of someone who is viewing it in a completely unknown environment..... The reviewer is required to have a properly calibrated display, and his job entails that he scrutinize the images, and has seen done so a lot in the past, so he has a pretty good frame of reference for what elements to look for.....

Also, you can't even confirm that Brodo in fact has these in hand..... although I suspect he does

Originally Posted by Brodo Faggins

The cap I intially viewed was on a laptop. It looked awful. I later viewed the same cap on my TV. It was closer in comparison to the BD, the difference almost negligible.

Do you agree that most people would be viewing these caps on a laptop and therefore seeing what I saw initially, a terrile picture?

Again..... Who calibrated your television?

[Mike2060]

Originally Posted by captveg

Thanks. So, they were essentially the same thing (5.1 w/ a sixth non-discrete channel) only via different brands (DD vs. DTS).

Yep. Although the EE has DTS ES which can have a discrete rear center or a matrixed one. I have the EE and it shows up as DTS on my receiver with the rear center icon lit up along with the other 5.1 channels. So I'm not sure if that means there is a discrete extra channel in the EE?

[mredman]

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

For me, 'FotR' looks better than the first release of 'Gangs.' Even at its worst. The only area in which 'Gangs' tops 'FotR' is in regards to consistency. 'Gangs' is consistently terrible; 'FotR' is intermittently mediocre, which can arguably be as distracting, especially when a particularly poor scene comes on the heels of a relatively impressive one.

However, comparing 'Gladiator' and 'FotR' isn't a good idea IMO. 'Gladiator' exhibits more consistent, noticeable, and severe DNR than 'FotR,' but 'FotR' suffers from other issues that don't affect 'Gladiator,' some of which screenshots simply can't capture and larger screen sizes will exacerbate (instability, faint wavering and flickering, slight wobble, etc). As much as this thread has focused on DNR, there are other issues afoot in 'FotR.'

Sorry I can't really offer a more concrete answer, but for me, it's an apples-n-oranges sort of comparison

glad to hear that you overall think its better then "Gangs" old master though

[Brodo Faggins]

Originally Posted by Beta Man

Read the post from KB...... he states they are direct rips, and what is shown in the screen caps is what he sees in the Blu-ray during motion.... so as far as I am concerned, that's verification that the screen caps are accurate..... you're comparing a professional reviewer's observations with that of someone who is viewing it in a completely unknown environment..... The reviewer is required to have a properly calibrated display, and his job entails that he scrutinize the images, and has seen done so a lot in the past, so he has a pretty good frame of reference for what elements to look for.....

Also, you can't even confirm that Brodo in fact has these in hand..... although I suspect he does



Again..... Who calibrated your television?

Sorry, I didnt you realise you already asked. It wasnt a professional calibration, I used one of those discs. If you really want me to, I could post a picture of the discs with my screen name hand written beside it?

[mredman]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

If you dig up an older CRT 34inch HDTV and sit 15 away from it you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the worst transfer of all time and the best transfer of all time, that doesn't mean the caps are somehow misleading. This is such a simple, simple concept to grasp man.

That is a bit of an overstatement don't you think.
Because i can definitely see the difference between Gladiator and Transformers 2 when seeing from viewing distance of 15 feet

[Batman1980]

Gladiator - 3/5
Transformers - 5/5
Going by PQ alone, of course. I imagine LoTR falls somewhere around the 3.5/5 range. *RUNS*
Will crack open Silmarillion tonight a bit.

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by mredman

That is a bit of an overstatement don't you think.
Because i can definitely see the difference between Gladiator and Transformers 2 when seeing from viewing distance of 15 feet

34 inches at 15 feet no, not an overstatement.

[Trogdor2010]

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

They should have handled this one with the same care they lavish on Criterion releases. Someone at WB dropped the ball big time.

I did had a though about if Criterion would do the Extended Edition remasters, but I had a though, would it really be better? I mean if Jackson supervised this transfer, would criterion's and Jackson's support make it better?

[frogmort]

I have a 7.1 amp with truehd,dtsma & lpcm.When I put in EE DVD's it shows "DTS-ES 6.1 Discrt" so:EE DVD has 6.1 actual discrete channels, & TE BD has 5.1 actual discrete channels & can matrix an extra channel