Lord of the Rings Trilogy (Theatrical Versions) - April 6, 2010 - Page 305 - Blu-ray Forum

AintNoSin · 03-29-2010, 05:02 PM

A couple of reasons to at least be somewhat optimistic about the future Blu-ray release of the extended versions:

To my knowledge, the EEs have not been shown on television, so there won't be an existing HDTV master for Warner to fall back on. Also, the reason they are being delayed, according to Jackson, is so that he has time to work on the uber-box set of the extended version, which tells me that Wingnut Films will have a lot more input than they did for the theatrical versions, which were all WB as far as I could tell.

Paulst10 · 03-29-2010, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Chaotic

Augh, you guys get a much better package. Do youm ind taking pics of each of the cases?

If I get a chance later. I want to put Return Of The King on in a bit... just waiting for the room to darken a tad more

Chaotic · 03-29-2010, 05:06 PM

I stayed up all last night watching TTT and ROTK

kurtlingle · 03-29-2010, 05:06 PM

RAH (Robert Harris) seemed to indicate it was New Line and not WB that did the mastering and transfer of LOTR. I find that interesting.

See Penton-man's thread for details

https://forum.blu-ray.com/3087500-post12871.html

KubrickFan · 03-29-2010, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Blu-Malibu2009

What do you mean we don't know whether DNR is baked into the original film negative? Did you see the film in the theater? I'm taking a guess here that the likes of Ken Brown did see it in the theater, and the Blu-ray doesn't match up with what they remember.

I only saw the second and third in a movie theater, and I frankly can't remember what they looked like because I was immersed in the movie itself.
I'm just saying that there could be other reasons why the movies look the way they do, instead of simply blaming Warner Bros., especially since PJ approved them.

Grand Bob · 03-29-2010, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chaotic

Peter Jackson approved the transfers. Maybe him?

Although possible, I'm having a hard time believing that. He was in the middle of a lot of tasks when these transfers were done last year. I was wondering what the chain of approval at WB is for this transfer. Who would give the stamp of approval before Jackson would have seen it? Is it just one guy? Several? A department? Surely someone watched the finished product?

captveg · 03-29-2010, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Grand Bob

I am curious as to what the Warner Bros. quality control procedure is for putting out a title with the magnitude of importance of Lord of the Rings? Is there the equivalent of a "brewmaster" at a brewery who inspects and approves the transfer process at multiple QC points? Or is this just a relatively mindless and casual procedure? Who is accountable?

WB has extensive QC in many stages, just like any other major studio.

DetroitSportsFan · 03-29-2010, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by captveg

WB has extensive QC in many stages, just like any other major studio.

Apparently not extensive enough.

Grand Bob · 03-29-2010, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by captveg

WB has extensive QC in many stages, just like any other major studio.

If true, then what happened?

Blu Nick · 03-29-2010, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Paulst10

If I get a chance later. I want to put Return Of The King on in a bit... just waiting for the room to darken a tad more

Ahh .. the joys of being a Kuro owner

... i salute you Paulst 10

Batman1980 · 03-29-2010, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Grand Bob

If true, then what happened?

You are not listening.

Due to the way the post-production for Fellowship of the Ring was handled, the DNR is permanent and probably not removable. As such, no matter how many times they re-mastered, the DNR and softness will still be there. Don't forget, these films made for less than mediocre DVDs before, stands to reason the blu-rays might not be reference either.

Grand Bob · 03-29-2010, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolverine1980

Due to the way the post-production for Fellowship of the Ring was handled, the DNR is permanent and probably not removable. As such, no matter how many times they re-mastered, the DNR and softness will still be there.

If so, the Fellowship EE's will also be lackluster.

Paulst10 · 03-29-2010, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Chaotic

Augh, you guys get a much better package. Do youm ind taking pics of each of the cases?

Here you go...

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Originally Posted by Blu Nick

Ahh .. the joys of being a Kuro owner

... i salute you Paulst 10

And black levels for you

(looked a lot better sitting here)

Sorry about the picture quality, they were taken with a 3.2mp mobile phone

Stinky-Dinkins · 03-29-2010, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolverine1980

You are not listening.

Due to the way the post-production for Fellowship of the Ring was handled, the DNR is permanent and probably not removable. As such, no matter how many times they re-mastered, the DNR and softness will still be there. Don't forget, these films made for less than mediocre DVDs before, stands to reason the blu-rays might not be reference either.

Everyone keeps saying this, but it isn't true.

Many of the DNR issues are not in the HDTV broadcast. It hasn't been "removed" from the HDTV version, the HDTV version hasn't been artificially altered so that it magically doesn't appear - it just simply isn't in there. There is a night and day difference in certain scenes. Look at the one with Bilbo's face, it is abundantly clear the the BD presentation is heavily DNR'ed where the HDTV simply is not.

demiscy · 03-29-2010, 05:39 PM

I am so getting the slipcased steelbooks from Amazon..

HeavyHitter · 03-29-2010, 05:41 PM

What some of you guys are missing is this....

Fellowship of the Ring like any movie shot on film SHOULD have a film grain pattern to it. It has nothing to do with how much DNR was used while making the movie itself. If something is transferred from film, it should retain a film grain pattern structure. The fact that a lot of film grain structure is missing from the Blu-ray demonstrates they used too much DNR for the BD transfer/master.

AutomaticDriver · 03-29-2010, 05:42 PM

I know this sounds dumb but is there a good way to open those cases with 5-6 disc in them? I hate those kind because I have had a bad experience with them(blade runner). When I open them it seems sometimes the disc fall out of the holder( even though the holder holds the disc firmly).

4Dblu · 03-29-2010, 05:42 PM

BB must have an exclusive LOTR's Blu set as i check other sites and nothing. BB has a different box set wider and list $74 don't know whats so different maybe just packaging and that $74

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Lord+Of+...0307&lp=2&cp=1

the box does have a sword on the front sooo check it out.

Batman1980 · 03-29-2010, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Dblu

BB must have an exclusive LOTR's Blu set as i check other sites and nothing. BB has a different box set wider and list $74 don't know whats so different maybe just packaging and that $74

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Lord+Of+...0307&lp=2&cp=1

the box does have a sword on the front sooo check it out.

I think it's the same 2 case packaging, just with a replica sword included.

Grand Bob · 03-29-2010, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolverine1980

I think it's the same 2 case packaging, just with a replica sword included.

One of the swords has the inscription on it, "Cut out DNR".

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03-29-2010, 05:02 PM	#6081
AintNoSin Blu-ray Guru Member since:Oct 2008 Location:Above the Convenience Store 4K collection:136 Blu-ray collection:594 DVD collection:299 Digital collection:212 iTunes collection:18	A couple of reasons to at least be somewhat optimistic about the future Blu-ray release of the extended versions: To my knowledge, the EEs have not been shown on television, so there won't be an existing HDTV master for Warner to fall back on. Also, the reason they are being delayed, according to Jackson, is so that he has time to work on the uber-box set of the extended version, which tells me that Wingnut Films will have a lot more input than they did for the theatrical versions, which were all WB as far as I could tell.

03-29-2010, 05:06 PM	#6083
Chaotic Blu-ray Grand Duke Member since:Mar 2009 Location:Denver, CO	I stayed up all last night watching TTT and ROTK

03-29-2010, 05:06 PM	#6084
kurtlingle Expert Member Member since:Jul 2007 Blu-ray collection:82	RAH (Robert Harris) seemed to indicate it was New Line and not WB that did the mastering and transfer of LOTR. I find that interesting. See Penton-man's thread for details https://forum.blu-ray.com/3087500-post12871.html

03-29-2010, 05:39 PM	#6095
demiscy Blu-ray Guru Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Nicosia, CY (EU) Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:31	I am so getting the slipcased steelbooks from Amazon..

03-29-2010, 05:41 PM	#6096
HeavyHitter Blu-ray Baron Member since:Jul 2007 Home Theater Gallery:4 Trading Score:154	What some of you guys are missing is this.... Fellowship of the Ring like any movie shot on film SHOULD have a film grain pattern to it. It has nothing to do with how much DNR was used while making the movie itself. If something is transferred from film, it should retain a film grain pattern structure. The fact that a lot of film grain structure is missing from the Blu-ray demonstrates they used too much DNR for the BD transfer/master.

03-29-2010, 05:42 PM	#6097
AutomaticDriver Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Aug 2008 4K collection:488 Blu-ray collection:488 Trading Score:1	I know this sounds dumb but is there a good way to open those cases with 5-6 disc in them? I hate those kind because I have had a bad experience with them(blade runner). When I open them it seems sometimes the disc fall out of the holder( even though the holder holds the disc firmly).

03-29-2010, 05:42 PM	#6098
4Dblu Power Member Member since:Aug 2008 Location:Big Small State Home Theater Gallery:15 4K collection:267 Blu-ray collection:1573 DVD collection:113 Blu-ray reviews:3 Trading Score:31	BB must have an exclusive LOTR's Blu set as i check other sites and nothing. BB has a different box set wider and list $74 don't know whats so different maybe just packaging and that $74 http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Lord+Of+...0307&lp=2&cp=1 the box does have a sword on the front sooo check it out.

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