Samsung 4K UHD Blu-ray Player UBD-K8500

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by movielover1069

Are you being sarcastic?

I believe so. That is what a lot of naysayers were spouting.

[movielover1069]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

I believe so. That is what a lot of naysayers were spouting.

Yes, I thought as much!

[reanimator]

I will confirm my use of sarcasm.

UHD-BD is doing just fine, despite the dire predictions of many. And with only one player on the market, the true "launch" of this format doesn't really begin until this fall.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

I believe so. That is what a lot of naysayers were spouting.

It's hard to believe they think that. 4K TV have been out for 3 years and with so little content to play on them of course there's going to be pent up demand.

I don't what they expect. There has to be UHD content in one form or another. Do they think it should be streaming? That's the impression I get from those who seemingly want it to fail.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by reanimator

I will confirm my use of sarcasm.

UHD-BD is doing just fine, despite the dire predictions of many. And with only one player on the market, the true "launch" of this format doesn't really begin until this fall.

All the studios except Disney will be on board by this fall and we'll see nearly all the blockbusters come to the format while prices should come down somewhat. The biggest bottleneck will obviously be the HDR TVs. That's going to take some time. Fortunately at least Vizio is selling them at a somewhat affordable price. HDR TVs really need to be the norm by next year hopefully (at least those selling at over $1000). Hopefully consumers will become HDR aware and start seeking them out.

[elwaylite]

Subbing. Calibrator will be here on 23rd and has a new HDR capable signal generator as well as studying up on the HDR webinars (granted calibrators are still confused).

Put The Revenant, Gods of Egypt, B vs S and Deadpool UHD on preorder. Here we go...

[SHOCKWAVE6464]

Originally Posted by SHOCKWAVE6464

Two questions:
2. Can it be set up on a Yamaha HTR-3067 and if yes how?

I know I'm a little late but here is a picture of the back of an HTR-3067:

[Show spoiler]

It includes "HDMI® (4 in/1 out) with 4K Ultra HD pass-through for super high resolution images".

[SolidRaider]

Anybody know what the latest update was for?

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by SolidRaider

Anybody know what the latest update was for?

1005 I think

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by SolidRaider

Anybody know what the latest update was for?

Fixing issues brought about by 1004. It seems to be more of a roll back than anything else.

[montyb]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

All the studios except Disney will be on board by this fall and we'll see nearly all the blockbusters come to the format while prices should come down somewhat. The biggest bottleneck will obviously be the HDR TVs. That's going to take some time. Fortunately at least Vizio is selling them at a somewhat affordable price. HDR TVs really need to be the norm by next year hopefully (at least those selling at over $1000). Hopefully consumers will become HDR aware and start seeking them out.

And the owners of HDR TVs will know how to calibrate for the best image. That's what makes me mad. Samsung does not give us settings to get the best out of their player. And the TVs are another issue...

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by montyb

And the owners of HDR TVs will know how to calibrate for the best image. That's what makes me mad. Samsung does not give us settings to get the best out of their player. And the TVs are another issue...

For them it should be good enough out of the box (if it's a good HDR TV). The TVs automatically go to HDR mode when playing HDR content. If you have a good HDR TV which can handle the metadata being fed into it, then it should look just about as accurate as any non-HDR material.

Besides, I think the DV will become the de facto standard in a few years so that should take care of any calibration issues. The average Joe probably won't be buying in for at least another year or two anyway, and the DV TVs will be cheaper (like the Vizio P) so they'll be buying the right TV, calibration-wise.

[RockyIII]

so the trick is to set contrast and brightness on max from the tv?

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[Falaskan]

If 4K dies it's not the end of the world. I'll still have a player better than most other ppl, that will play all formats since DVD

[Lewisdavies95]

are the players worth the price??? to me 650 for a player is ****ing mad considering the prices for next gen consoles was half that price on release day!

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

For them it should be good enough out of the box (if it's a good HDR TV). The TVs automatically go to HDR mode when playing HDR content. If you have a good HDR TV which can handle the metadata being fed into it, then it should look just about as accurate as any non-HDR material.

Besides, I think the DV will become the de facto standard in a few years so that should take care of any calibration issues. The average Joe probably won't be buying in for at least another year or two anyway, and the DV TVs will be cheaper (like the Vizio P) so they'll be buying the right TV, calibration-wise.

It's not quite as easy as that re: calibration. The metadata is there to adapt the HDR to the particular characteristics of the TV that are on paper, fair enough, and it also locks out things like the backlight in order to ensure the widest range of brightness possible, fair enough again. BUT things like greyscale tracking, the accuracy of the TV's colour response over the stimulus range, the colour temperature etc cannot simply be set by dynamic metadata, those things need to be individually tailored to each and every set.

Think of the metadata as telling the TV what the best-looking version of the movie is, but the TV still has a fair way to go as to what is truly accurate to that source within the bounds of the version that it's being fed.

[RockyIII]

I am new to UHD, but what is the difference between HDR and non-HDR?

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[ray0414]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

I am new to UHD, but what is the difference between HDR and non-HDR?

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Here's a master list of hdr content thread that I created. There are links in the 1sy thread that has tons of information.

Enjoy!



http://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lc...ted-often.html

[Deciazulado]

mmm Why don't you paste that info here, instead of sending members away to another site . Since you're here.. :>

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

I am new to UHD, but what is the difference between HDR and non-HDR?

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Ok.

Blu-rays and HDTV are 1080 x 1920 pixels 24p-60i and are in what's now called SDR Standard Dynamic Range, which is video coded in 8-bits (from level 16-235 0 black to max white and this 235 white is usually calibrated to be at 100 cd/m2 AKA Nits (29 ft*L) with any overshoots to 255 being 120 Nits (35 ft*L) and using a color space (gamut, possible maximum saturation) defined by the rec.709/sRGB RGB primaries (a smallish color triangle). Also this signal is viewed on a grey tone distribution that changes at 2.2 -2.4 gamma (kind of a steep long slope)

UHDs on the other hand are 2160 x 3840 pixels (so can be viewed twice as tall and twice as wide/sharp, potentially probably better than most Cinemas) 24p-60p <I assume there will be some awesome sports and other content in the future) but instead are encoded in what's called HDR High Dynamic Range (or more contrast tones possibles from brightest to darkest). First, it's (right now) 10 bits which gives you 4 more times the gradations, and because of this and advances in display technology, you can pack more highlights and deeper shadows, which would be now from level 64-940 0 black to max white and this 940 max white would be calibrated to be at 10000 nits (eventually, when TVs can do that). These levels are also packed in a slightly different curve/slope than on gamma 2.2 video, called the PQ curve, which is not straight as the gamma ones, to improve perceptual smoothness of levels so HDR TVs apply this curve to the HDR signal. On top of that UHDs color has an expanded color gamut (a much bigger RGB color triangle which makes more saturated color possible) than rec.709/sRGB, called rec.2020, so as TV technology advances more colors can be reproduced. (Right now new UHD TVs are achieving whats called P3 color which is ~10-15% more saturated than rec.709)

So UHD HDR is made up of 4 things: more resolution, more contrast range/tones with increased highlights and shadows, finer gradations between those tones, and more colors possible.