Samsung 4K UHD Blu-ray Player UBD-K8500

[jkington]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

You have to drop the audio output portion from HDMI port 1 and have it set to HDMI port 2.

One or the other.

Cheers, I do have it set to HDMI2, but still no joy. Thinking it's potentially a receiver setting now.

Thanks,

*Edit*- All good now.... Turned out to be a loose connection at the back of the player- rookie error, not running as desired

[d514]

Originally Posted by smileyousonofab****

I picked up The Revenant 4K today, i noticed in really dark scenes, the screen got really bright then really dark. Especially when there is subtitles. I have a Sony XBR850C 55 inch and was curious if there are any settings on the t.v. or player that could resolve this issue. Thanks in advance.

I guess you have some settings like dynamic contrast turned on or some energy saving mode. Some TVs even change the brightness in dark scenes when everything is turned off. Most of the time that can be avoided if the brigtness setting is set a little higher.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by baseball21357

As someone considering purchasing this player with a 4k TV in a few months, but still wants to keep a 1080p projector connected (looking at receivers with dual HDMI outputs), can you or anyone else who is maybe running a similar setup elaborate more on how this works? Does the receiver itself downscale from 4k to 1080p, or is the player set to 1080p? Also, would it be possible for the player to auto-detect which output on the receiver (still researching which model, sorry I can't be more specific) is on and output the correct resolution if that is the way to do it?

Appreciate any help anyone can give on this!

I have the same setup: one 4K TV and two 1080p projectors all running off the same Denon receiver with the UHD Samsung player.
The Sammy will automatically downscale to 1080 when connected to any 1080 device...But here is the KEY POINT:
When using the Samsung 4K for UHD content (bluray or streaming) you will have to disconnect the hdmi cord from the projector or the Samsung will still perform at 1080. Even if the projector is off-I found out-if you still have it connected via HDMi to the receiver the Samsung wont play any content in UHD.
What I do is disconnect the hdmi cord taht goes into the projector when I want to use the Samsung for UHD content, and plug HDMI back in when I want to either use the projector or use Samsung for 1080 content

[baseball21357]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

I have the same setup: one 4K TV and two 1080p projectors all running off the same Denon receiver with the UHD Samsung player.
The Sammy will automatically downscale to 1080 when connected to any 1080 device...But here is the KEY POINT:
When using the Samsung 4K for UHD content (bluray or streaming) you will have to disconnect the hdmi cord from the projector or the Samsung will still perform at 1080. Even if the projector is off-I found out-if you still have it connected via HDMi to the receiver the Samsung wont play any content in UHD.
What I do is disconnect the hdmi cord taht goes into the projector when I want to use the Samsung for UHD content, and plug HDMI back in when I want to either use the projector or use Samsung for 1080 content

Thank you so much for your reply. That seems like a bit of a pain, glad its at least possible though. I'm guessing something to do with HDCP 2.2 though and the HDMI signal / EDID from the projector still being "active" somehow on the receiver, passing it along to the player and forcing 1080p...

Just a quick thought would be to get an HDMI switch that can be turned off, run the HDMI out from the receiver going into the projector now into the switch first, then the output from the switch to the projector - this way once the switch is "off" maybe the HDMI signal would be wiped out completely...Just not sure if that would introduce any lag into the signal...

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by baseball21357

Thank you so much for your reply. That seems like a bit of a pain, glad its at least possible though. I'm guessing something to do with HDCP 2.2 though and the HDMI signal / EDID from the projector still being "active" somehow on the receiver, passing it along to the player and forcing 1080p...

Just a quick thought would be to get an HDMI switch that can be turned off, run the HDMI out from the receiver going into the projector now into the switch first, then the output from the switch to the projector - this way once the switch is "off" maybe the HDMI signal would be wiped out completely...Just not sure if that would introduce any lag into the signal...

The way I have mine set up, with dual HDMI Out on my receiver, I have HDMI 1 (ARC) connected to the TV and HDMI 2 connected to teh projector...Even when the projector is off, just being connected through HDMI Out 2 will force the Samsung to downscale everything to 1080.
You have two options:
either unplug the HDMI from the projector or unplug the same HDMI cord from the receiver, when you want to use the Samsung in UHD

[kobeson]

How are people finding the HDR titles on Sony 850C panels?

[aaronwt2065]

Originally Posted by kobeson

How are people finding the HDR titles on Sony 850C panels?

Looks really good on my 65" 850C.

[alebonau]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

The way I have mine set up, with dual HDMI Out on my receiver, I have HDMI 1 (ARC) connected to the TV and HDMI 2 connected to teh projector...Even when the projector is off, just being connected through HDMI Out 2 will force the Samsung to downscale everything to 1080.
You have two options:
either unplug the HDMI from the projector or unplug the same HDMI cord from the receiver, when you want to use the Samsung in UHD

Originally Posted by baseball21357

Thank you so much for your reply. That seems like a bit of a pain, glad its at least possible though. I'm guessing something to do with HDCP 2.2 though and the HDMI signal / EDID from the projector still being "active" somehow on the receiver, passing it along to the player and forcing 1080p...

Just a quick thought would be to get an HDMI switch that can be turned off, run the HDMI out from the receiver going into the projector now into the switch first, then the output from the switch to the projector - this way once the switch is "off" maybe the HDMI signal would be wiped out completely...Just not sure if that would introduce any lag into the signal...

guys I had a similar issue when ran my first uhd blu-ray. I use a couple of displays a jvc x7000 which is uhd and hdmi 2.0a hdcp 2.2 and via my marantz 8802A which is also the same compatibility wise. however the 2nd display is a pio kuro krp-500M. on the marantz prior i was using the dual displays. i.e. with hdmi outs feeding the respective displays on monitor out 1 and 2 and the hdmi output set to auto. however I too found would need to unplug the hdmi physically to the kuro or would get "no signal" on the jvc.

while I tried a couple of hdmi tricking devices e.g. the hd fury and also a thing called a blue stream. our local marantz techs finally helped me out suggesting rather than unplugging the hdmi cable to instead just utilise the hdmi selector so at any time for uhd it is set to select the output going to the uhd capable display. at all other times I run the hdmi out on auto. what I found is this is hot swappable as well. i.e. can just toggle the hdmi output - the marantz has a hdmi out button on the front behind its main flap. so can select the hdmi out I want and even with the kuro plugged in signal goes to the jvc and not down ressed or anything.

D&M use the same platform between their avrs and processors so would be very surprised if your denons were any different.

the marantz techs both suggested I don't keep unplugging hdmis anyways as the sockets aren't really made for that on anything. and besides there is also the great chance of screwing up a hdmi port with plugging unplugging.

anyways may be something to try for you

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by alebonau

guys I had a similar issue when ran my first uhd blu-ray. I use a couple of displays a jvc x7000 which is uhd and hdmi 2.0a hdcp 2.2 and via my marantz 8802A which is also the same compatibility wise. however the 2nd display is a pio kuro krp-500M. on the marantz prior i was using the dual displays. i.e. with hdmi outs feeding the respective displays on monitor out 1 and 2 and the hdmi output set to auto. however I too found would need to unplug the hdmi physically to the kuro or would get "no signal" on the jvc.

while I tried a couple of hdmi tricking devices e.g. the hd fury and also a thing called a blue stream. our local marantz techs finally helped me out suggesting rather than unplugging the hdmi cable to instead just utilise the hdmi selector so at any time for uhd it is set to select the output going to the uhd capable display. at all other times I run the hdmi out on auto. what I found is this is hot swappable as well. i.e. can just toggle the hdmi output - the marantz has a hdmi out button on the front behind its main flap. so can select the hdmi out I want and even with the kuro plugged in signal goes to the jvc and not down ressed or anything.

D&M use the same platform between their avrs and processors so would be very surprised if your denons were any different.

the marantz techs both suggested I don't keep unplugging hdmis anyways as the sockets aren't really made for that on anything. and besides there is also the great chance of screwing up a hdmi port with plugging unplugging.

anyways may be something to try for you

That sounds great if you have a Marantz...But what if you have a Denon with dual HDMI Out?

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[alebonau]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

That sounds great if you have a Marantz...But what if you have a Denon with dual HDMI Out?

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As I mention D&M share platforms between the brands. Infact the marantz techs who helped me out actually support Denon too. Check your Denon HDMI out settings ... You will find 3 settings. HDMI auto, HDMI 1, HDMI 2

Don't use auto

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by alebonau

As I mention D&M share platforms between the brands. Infact the marantz techs who helped me out actually support Denon too. Check your Denon HDMI out settings ... You will find 3 settings. HDMI auto, HDMI 1, HDMI 2

Don't use auto

Are you saying that we should manually switch from HDMI 1 to 2 every time we go from using the Samsung to using our non-UHD connected devices and viceversa? That sounds like more work than just unplugging the hdmi cable.
Now we have to navigate our receiver's on-screen menu every single time we switch device?

[baseball21357]

Originally Posted by alebonau

guys I had a similar issue when ran my first uhd blu-ray. I use a couple of displays a jvc x7000 which is uhd and hdmi 2.0a hdcp 2.2 and via my marantz 8802A which is also the same compatibility wise. however the 2nd display is a pio kuro krp-500M. on the marantz prior i was using the dual displays. i.e. with hdmi outs feeding the respective displays on monitor out 1 and 2 and the hdmi output set to auto. however I too found would need to unplug the hdmi physically to the kuro or would get "no signal" on the jvc.

while I tried a couple of hdmi tricking devices e.g. the hd fury and also a thing called a blue stream. our local marantz techs finally helped me out suggesting rather than unplugging the hdmi cable to instead just utilise the hdmi selector so at any time for uhd it is set to select the output going to the uhd capable display. at all other times I run the hdmi out on auto. what I found is this is hot swappable as well. i.e. can just toggle the hdmi output - the marantz has a hdmi out button on the front behind its main flap. so can select the hdmi out I want and even with the kuro plugged in signal goes to the jvc and not down ressed or anything.

D&M use the same platform between their avrs and processors so would be very surprised if your denons were any different.

the marantz techs both suggested I don't keep unplugging hdmis anyways as the sockets aren't really made for that on anything. and besides there is also the great chance of screwing up a hdmi port with plugging unplugging.

anyways may be something to try for you

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Are you saying that we should manually switch from HDMI 1 to 2 every time we go from using the Samsung to using our non-UHD connected devices and viceversa? That sounds like more work than just unplugging the hdmi cable.
Now we have to navigate our receiver's on-screen menu every single time we switch device?

Thanks for your insight alebonau. First off, it sounds like you've got some crazy nice gear! How do you find the JVC e-shift? Do you set it to output at 4k, or just leave it at 1080 and allow it to downscale the UHD to 1080p? Trying to decide between splurging on one I can find for a bit over 3000, but don't know if that is the best move with native 4k projectors hopefully becoming more affordable later this year and into early next...

Also, I actually don't have a receiver picked out yet, but am definitely leaning between Denon and Marantz, so it is good to hear what you are saying should in theory work between the two brands.

Just to clarify though, by the method you are saying, are you not able to get the UHD to play on the Kuro at 1080p? I know in your use case you might not have much need for that given that your projector accepts the 4k signal, but someone had mentioned prior that playing a UHD downscaled to a 1080p display (in this case, what will probably be my projector) would look better than a native 1080p blu-ray, so I definitely want to be able to try to do that.

If I am thinking this through correctly though, you should be able to select the output for the 1080p display, at which point the Samsung UHD player (set on auto) should detect the 1080p limitation, and auto switch it to 1080p. Then, when using the 4k device, select the 4k display HDMI out on the receiver, which according to your experience eliminates the 1080p limitation, so the player should auto-switch to 4k and output properly to the 4k device?


Rocky III - that does sound like a big pain, going into the receiver menu every time you need to switch between display devices. Maybe there is a way to map that command directly onto whatever universal remote solution you are using? Any experience with this alebonau?

Also, what I was suggesting before wasn't similar to this, but might provide an easier experience if alebonau's solution can't be mapped to the remote, my only concern would be any signal lag introduced. Basically, add an HDMI selector (with remote, and that can be powered off) between your receiver and the 1080p projector. So, the HDMI out going to the projector from the receiver HDMI out first goes into an HDMI selector. Then the output from the selector goes to the projector. This would allow the selector to be switched completely off as part of an "activity chain" on your universal remote. When you want 4k, you leave it off and the projector is completely isolated from the receiver and player, allowing a clean 4k signal to go through. When you want to output to the projector it is switched on, activating the HDMI signal to the projector and going back down to 1080p like now. Again, not completely sure this would work, just throwing it out there as something I may try when I get this all set up.


Thanks again both of you and anyone else that can provide any insight!

[alebonau]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Are you saying that we should manually switch from HDMI 1 to 2 every time we go from using the Samsung to using our non-UHD connected devices and viceversa? That sounds like more work than just unplugging the hdmi cable.
Now we have to navigate our receiver's on-screen menu every single time we switch device?

actually no

as mentioned my marantz has a little hdmi out button on the front of it. you can just toggle this…. its usually just one push of the button or two depending on which hdmi out the uhd display is set on, and it will toggle through to the right output. moving off say auto to hdmi mon 1 or hdmi mon 2. as mentioned you can do this live… and no there is no wading through the menus you can see the hdmi selection on the little marantz screen/display.

and as a note …. you don't have to move it off auto for bulk of your viewing…i.e. don't have to do it every time you use the samsung. THE only time its necessary is for an actual UHD blu-ray disc and reason I believe and was explained by the marantz guys was because of hdcp 2.2

e.g. if upscaling a blu-ray to 4k via the samsung…no matter what your hdmi out is set on

if you feel unplugging your hdmi is easier … go for it but keep in mind hdmi plugs aren't designed to be plugged and unplugged repeatedly and as mentioned by the marantz guys same with the hdmi boards particularly if there is any residual signal left its best way of blowing or shorting your hdmi board especially where some are actually still live even when in standby.

what have relayed takes good 1sec at most and only when watching uhd blu-ray. no wading through menus or anything.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by alebonau

actually no

as mentioned my marantz has a little hdmi out button on the front of it. you can just toggle this…. its usually just one push of the button or two depending on which hdmi out the uhd display is set on, and it will toggle through to the right output. moving off say auto to hdmi mon 1 or hdmi mon 2. as mentioned you can do this live… and no there is no wading through the menus you can see the hdmi selection on the little marantz screen/display.

and as a note …. you don't have to move it off auto for bulk of your viewing…i.e. don't have to do it every time you use the samsung. THE only time its necessary is for an actual UHD blu-ray disc and reason I believe and was explained by the marantz guys was because of hdcp 2.2

e.g. if upscaling a blu-ray to 4k via the samsung…no matter what your hdmi out is set on

if you feel unplugging your hdmi is easier … go for it but keep in mind hdmi plugs aren't designed to be plugged and unplugged repeatedly and as mentioned by the marantz guys same with the hdmi boards particularly if there is any residual signal left its best way of blowing or shorting your hdmi board especially where some are actually still live even when in standby.

what have relayed takes good 1sec at most and only when watching uhd blu-ray. no wading through menus or anything.

All I see in my Demon in the Video/HDMI Setup is the option of Video Output set on either Dual, Monitor 1, or Monitor 2

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[alebonau]

Originally Posted by baseball21357

Thanks for your insight alebonau. First off, it sounds like you've got some crazy nice gear! How do you find the JVC e-shift? Do you set it to output at 4k, or just leave it at 1080 and allow it to downscale the UHD to 1080p? Trying to decide between splurging on one I can find for a bit over 3000, but don't know if that is the best move with native 4k projectors hopefully becoming more affordable later this year and into early next...
~

thanks baseball am loving the combination. e-shift 4 works an absolute treat on the jvc x7000 for 4k on uhd-blu-ray. has to be seen to be believed. I at all times am leaving the samsung on auto output. this passes 4k uhd to the display. and with 1080p blu-ray for instance the samsung then upscales and passes to the jvc to do its thing. I was stunned by the quality of the 4k remastered fifth element I viewed the other week. keeping in mind how old this movie is … from the dvd days ! came up and absolute treat ! check out some quick screenshots took below,







and this is blu-ray just goes to show how good the sammy is for blu-ray replay, I've sold off my cambridge 752BD which is the oppo 105 equivalent.

Originally Posted by baseball21357

Also, I actually don't have a receiver picked out yet, but am definitely leaning between Denon and Marantz, so it is good to hear what you are saying should in theory work between the two brands.

Just to clarify though, by the method you are saying, are you not able to get the UHD to play on the Kuro at 1080p? I know in your use case you might not have much need for that given that your projector accepts the 4k signal, but someone had mentioned prior that playing a UHD downscaled to a 1080p display (in this case, what will probably be my projector) would look better than a native 1080p blu-ray, so I definitely want to be able to try to do that.

If I am thinking this through correctly though, you should be able to select the output for the 1080p display, at which point the Samsung UHD player (set on auto) should detect the 1080p limitation, and auto switch it to 1080p. Then, when using the 4k device, select the 4k display HDMI out on the receiver, which according to your experience eliminates the 1080p limitation, so the player should auto-switch to 4k and output properly to the 4k device?


Rocky III - that does sound like a big pain, going into the receiver menu every time you need to switch between display devices. Maybe there is a way to map that command directly onto whatever universal remote solution you are using? Any experience with this alebonau?

Also, what I was suggesting before wasn't similar to this, but might provide an easier experience if alebonau's solution can't be mapped to the remote, my only concern would be any signal lag introduced. Basically, add an HDMI selector (with remote, and that can be powered off) between your receiver and the 1080p projector. So, the HDMI out going to the projector from the receiver HDMI out first goes into an HDMI selector. Then the output from the selector goes to the projector. This would allow the selector to be switched completely off as part of an "activity chain" on your universal remote. When you want 4k, you leave it off and the projector is completely isolated from the receiver and player, allowing a clean 4k signal to go through. When you want to output to the projector it is switched on, activating the HDMI signal to the projector and going back down to 1080p like now. Again, not completely sure this would work, just throwing it out there as something I may try when I get this all set up.


Thanks again both of you and anyone else that can provide any insight!

oh with hdmi set to auto it will output both at 1080p for uhd blu-ray. but the beauty is D&M have setup so the hdmi circuits are discrete so can toggle so can swap from auto to the hdmi out for the uhd display and a clean 4k signal goes right through.

re your suggestion of mapping remotes talking to a friend who has a denon that is exactly what she is doing. she said its easy enough to setup on the remote app that can engage the right hdmi out for activity selected. so if want to do that way yes can be done.

ps toggling through hdmi outs doesnt require the projector or any displays to be off. they just re synch no need to try any of this for me…am doing it now. so keeping in mind for all general use my hdmi outs stay on auto…. its only if i need to watch a uhd blu-ray I select the uhd displays hdmi out…. it works

[alebonau]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

All I see in my Demon in the Video/HDMI Setup is the option of Video Output set on either Dual, Monitor 1, or Monitor 2

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Yes DONT use "dual" for uhd blu-ray source toggle to monitor 1 or 2 that is your uhd display

[RockyIII]

So instead of unplugging HDMI cord off and on I keep switching with the remote from Monitor 1 to Monitor 2 depending of whether I am using HD or UHD display?

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[alebonau]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

So instead of unplugging HDMI cord off and on I keep switching with the remote from Monitor 1 to Monitor 2 depending of whether I am using HD or UHD display?

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Yes

Though it's not related to the display ... It's related to whether want to watch a uhd blu-ray

So therefore can leave in dual ... Just when wanting to watch a uhd blu-ray make sure the right HDMI out feeding the uhd display is selected

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by alebonau

Yes

Though it's not related to the display ... It's related to whether want to watch a uhd blu-ray

So therefore can leave in dual ... Just when wanting to watch a uhd blu-ray make sure the right HDMI out feeding the uhd display is selected

Thanks for the advice. Your method is surely more convenient,but I disagree with your statement that constantly plugging HDMI cable in and out will wreck havock on your board...What makes you think that would be the case? As long as you are careful plugging/unplugging the cable nothing bad should happen

[Tns49]

I don't know about other sets, but the LG 2016 OLED's have gotten an update and you can now set HDMI deep Color to Auto. So apparently a handshake correction on the TV side.