Samsung 4K UHD Blu-ray Player UBD-K8500

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by AKORIS

yes on all the bold text

So, which receiver are you using?

[KenHurd]

Originally Posted by AKORIS

yes on all the bold text

I also have the Samsung KS8000, and I leave my UHD player resolution set to Auto. This player doesn't tell you what the resolution is. The only way to know if you're playing a UHD disc is to hit info and see the HDR logo at the top of the screen. You can also go into your picture settings, and you will notice that UHD discs with HDR change the settings, whereas if you play a regular Blu-ray, the settings remain the same. I also have the video of my UHD player going directly into my TV and the audio going out of the second HDMI connection directly to my receiver because my receiver is not HDCP 2.2 compliant. In the TV, I turned UHD HDMI Color to "On" for the input that the UHD player is connected to.

Some titles, I can barely notice a difference, but others, such as Independence Day, Batman v Superman, Man of Steel, and Mad Max, I can tell a difference. Other titles, X-Men Days of Future Past, Ghostbusters 1 and 2, etc., I need to go back and forth between the blu-ray and the UHD disc to really see the difference. It's there, but the difference between UHD and Blu-ray sometimes isn't as noticeable as it was going from DVD to Blu-ray. I think it's taking my eyes time to get adjusted to the benefits of HDR, but this TV up-converts regular Blu-ray titles very well.

[AKORIS]

Originally Posted by KenHurd

I also have the Samsung KS8000, and I leave my UHD player resolution set to Auto. This player doesn't tell you what the resolution is. The only way to know if you're playing a UHD disc is to hit info and see the HDR logo at the top of the screen. You can also go into your picture settings, and you will notice that UHD discs with HDR change the settings, whereas if you play a regular Blu-ray, the settings remain the same. I also have the video of my UHD player going directly into my TV and the audio going out of the second HDMI connection directly to my receiver because my receiver is not HDCP 2.2 compliant. In the TV, I turned UHD HDMI Color to "On" for the input that the UHD player is connected to.

Some titles, I can barely notice a difference, but others, such as Independence Day, Batman v Superman, Man of Steel, and Mad Max, I can tell a difference. Other titles, X-Men Days of Future Past, Ghostbusters 1 and 2, etc., I need to go back and forth between the blu-ray and the UHD disc to really see the difference. It's there, but the difference between UHD and Blu-ray sometimes isn't as noticeable as it was going from DVD to Blu-ray. I think it's taking my eyes time to get adjusted to the benefits of HDR, but this TV up-converts regular Blu-ray titles very well.

thank you for the helpful info. I do get the HDR logo and the TV does automatically change the settings (which I don't like very much since it adds the soap opera motion effect which I always turn off-- my compromise was to go into custom settings and put blur and judder to low-- that seemed to work)

Now here comes the really stupid question--- I notice that everyone mentions HDR... but never 4k resolution. I am getting 2160 resolution yes?
I'm surprised that the difference isn't greater in clarity.

I do remember how much better my current blu rays looked when I recently got the TV. As a matter of fact I was more impressed with that than I am with this! Perhaps that upgrade in PQ is taking away some of the dazzle of 4k blu ray?

Either way, I've only checked 2 4k blu rays so far. I watched LEGEND OF TARZAN last night and checked out scenes from RISEN.

The other 4k blu I have is THE SHALLOWS which is supposed to look spectacular so I'll watch that soon.

[AKORIS]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

So, which receiver are you using?

I have an old Onkyo receiver which is not HDMI compliant so I'm using an optical cable for sound....

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by AKORIS

thank you for the helpful info. I do get the HDR logo and the TV does automatically change the settings (which I don't like very much since it adds the soap opera motion effect which I always turn off-- my compromise was to go into custom settings and put blur and judder to low-- that seemed to work)

Now here comes the really stupid question--- I notice that everyone mentions HDR... but never 4k resolution. I am getting 2160 resolution yes?
I'm surprised that the difference isn't greater in clarity.

I do remember how much better my current blu rays looked when I recently got the TV. As a matter of fact I was more impressed with that than I am with this! Perhaps that upgrade in PQ is taking away some of the dazzle of 4k blu ray?

Either way, I've only checked 2 4k blu rays so far. I watched LEGEND OF TARZAN last night and checked out scenes from RISEN.

The other 4k blu I have is THE SHALLOWS which is supposed to look spectacular so I'll watch that soon.

Risen and LofT are 2k upconverts with scenes including heavy visual effects (normally done in 2k). That's why the detail isn't a huge jump. The Shallows, from what I've been reading, may be a partial 4k/partial 2k upconvert transfer.

The Martian: Extended Cut looks great on UHD Blu-ray as does Sicario (both have native 4k material). Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon is very good on UHD Blu-ray as it is from a film scan of the OCN in 4k (brings out the grain, but also the detail). Planet Earth 2 is being released next year and that has a lot of native 4k source video too.

Looks like you need to turn BD-Wise off in both the player and the TV (if the TV still has that function). That should stop the display from automatically turning on frame interpolation (which adds the soap opera effect) with HDR content.

It also looks like a receiver upgrade is in order. Gotta get some Dolby Atmos and DTS: X immersive lovin'.

[rroeder]

Originally Posted by AKORIS

Now here comes the really stupid question--- I notice that everyone mentions HDR... but never 4k resolution. I am getting 2160 resolution yes?
I'm surprised that the difference isn't greater in clarity.

I do remember how much better my current blu rays looked when I recently got the TV. As a matter of fact I was more impressed with that than I am with this! Perhaps that upgrade in PQ is taking away some of the dazzle of 4k blu ray?

If you have the player's resolution set at Auto or 2160 your getting 2160, but you can check the TV's info button to confirm. Yes it sucks the player doesn't have an info screen.

100% agree with your second sentence, I don't have HDR but I didn't notice much of an increase in PQ with UHD titles, but I did notice how much better blurays looked when I first got the TV. I think the upscaling provided a bump in PQ then the UHD provided a small bump.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by rroeder

If you have the player's resolution set at Auto or 2160 your getting 2160, but you can check the TV's info button to confirm. Yes it sucks the player doesn't have an info screen.

100% agree with your second sentence, I don't have HDR but I didn't notice much of an increase in PQ with UHD titles, but I did notice how much better blurays looked when I first got the TV. I think the upscaling provided a bump in PQ then the UHD provided a small bump.

HDR and wide color gamut features work in concert due to the grading these films receive. A good HDR display that is capable of DCI-P3 and greater color reproduction is necessary to get the most out of these discs.

[rroeder]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

HDR and wide color gamut features work in concert due to the grading these films receive. A good HDR display that is capable of DCI-P3 and greater color reproduction is necessary to get the most out of these discs.

I hear ya, I'm waiting for more content. I could go buy a nice display today but it's only been 2 years since I bought my current TV, I've only bought like 5 or 6 UHD titles and several of those were to get Atmos sound

[AKORIS]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

Risen and LofT are 2k upconverts with scenes including heavy visual effects (normally done in 2k). That's why the detail isn't a huge jump. The Shallows, from what I've been reading, may be a partial 4k/partial 2k upconvert transfer.

The Martian: Extended Cut looks great on UHD Blu-ray as does Sicario (both have native 4k material). Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon is very good on UHD Blu-ray as it is from a film scan of the OCN in 4k (brings out the grain, but also the detail). Planet Earth 2 is being released next year and that has a lot of native 4k source video too.

Looks like you need to turn BD-Wise off in both the player and the TV (if the TV still has that function). That should stop the display from automatically turning on frame interpolation (which adds the soap opera effect) with HDR content.

It also looks like a receiver upgrade is in order. Gotta get some Dolby Atmos and DTS: X immersive lovin'.

Ok, I had already shut off that feature on the player... but didn't check to see if that option was on the TV.. it must be since it converts...

[AKORIS]

Originally Posted by rroeder

If you have the player's resolution set at Auto or 2160 your getting 2160, but you can check the TV's info button to confirm. Yes it sucks the player doesn't have an info screen.

100% agree with your second sentence, I don't have HDR but I didn't notice much of an increase in PQ with UHD titles, but I did notice how much better blurays looked when I first got the TV. I think the upscaling provided a bump in PQ then the UHD provided a small bump.

that's my other issue. On everything other than the player I can hit the info button on the TV and get the time and what resolution is playing.... with the 4k player nothing shows!

[rroeder]

Originally Posted by AKORIS

that's my other issue. On everything other than the player I can hit the info button on the TV and get the time and what resolution is playing.... with the 4k player nothing shows!

That's odd, what's your connection method? You should get info from each input thru the TV

[AKORIS]

Originally Posted by rroeder

That's odd, what's your connection method? You should get info from each input thru the TV

yeah, i can't figure it out. HDMI cables on all connections (Cable box, play station 3 and Samsung 4K player...)

[rroeder]

Turn off the HDMI-CEC setting on player

[AKORIS]

Originally Posted by rroeder

Turn off the HDMI-CEC setting on player

on the way to work, I'll try that tonight. Do you know where to find that option? What is the CEC setting?

[rroeder]

Originally Posted by AKORIS

on the way to work, I'll try that tonight. Do you know where to find that option? What is the CEC setting?

It's the HDMI control, it's under system settings I think. Mine was doing weird things so I turned it off. Not sure if that's your problem tho might be your connections

[AKORIS]

Originally Posted by rroeder

It's the HDMI control, it's under system settings I think. Mine was doing weird things so I turned it off. Not sure if that's your problem tho might be your connections

I switched my HDMI cables last night with no difference. I'm wondering if I should redo my "initial set-up" again... perhaps I did something wrong there

I'll try both options tonight....

[AKORIS]

Originally Posted by AKORIS

that's my other issue. On everything other than the player I can hit the info button on the TV and get the time and what resolution is playing.... with the 4k player nothing shows!

Originally Posted by AKORIS

yeah, i can't figure it out. HDMI cables on all connections (Cable box, play station 3 and Samsung 4K player...)

[QUOTE=KenHurd;12899787]I also have the Samsung KS8000, and I leave my UHD player resolution set to Auto. .

Hey, since you have my same set-up.... any idea what could be causing the issue I'm having with the TV not giving time and resolution info?
Again, on my cable and playstation I can get the time listed in the top right corner as well as the resolution input.
On my 4k player.. it shows no info at all....

Just thought I'd get another opinion to see if I have any other options to try....

[solarrdadd]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

You can get Atmos just fine, however the picture quality is worse than playing the 1080 disc on a 1080 display.
I know that for a fact because I own a Sony VPL 45, and I can see a huge difference in PQ between the UHD disc downscaled to 1080 and the regular 1080 disc. But the sound is the same: Atmos at its best

Originally Posted by gates70

You're the only person that I've ever heard that from. My experience was not what you describe. PQ was still great on my display and slightly better than the BD.

Originally Posted by solarrdadd

thanks for your response, but, part of my question is "single or dual hdmi" use, please.

Originally Posted by solarrdadd

my reasons are asking, I know this is a Samsung thread, but, I'm looking to get the Philips UHD player from BB since it's their BF sale priced for under $180 and it's for my bedroom so, it's gonna be fine there. i'll wait for oppo for the HT player.

sorry Samsung thread, not trying to take you over.

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Single HDMi connection, everything through your Denon. Still get Atmos, as long as Samsung player is set on 'bitsream unprocessed'...but PQ is very poor. If you dont believe me, compare for yourself

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Just calling it the way I see it (pun intended)

first, apologies to the Samsung UHD player thread.

RockyIII, when you get out of the greybar hotel and can respond, just thought I'd let you know that the Phillips player, with one HDMI connected to either of my setups (bedroom 5.1.2 or HT 7.1.4) connected to a Marantz N1607 or a AV7702mkii played perfectly, the picture looked super amazing at 1080p/24hz playing both ATMOS/DTS:X flawlessly.

not sure why for you, the Samsung video was bad to your projector. on both of my setups, for hdmi cables I use bluejeanscable's "premium HDMI Certified cables" on every input and output. not saying that's necessarily making any difference, but, I know the cables are some of the few that are certified by the HDMI consortium to full UHD specs via their testing.

I just can't believe how good the Phillips UHD player is working for me. I can finally hear the ATMOS/DTS:X audio on my collection of UHD discs. man it's great!

so far the UHD titles I've tested:

Pacific Rim ATMOS
Independence Day DTS:X
Independence Day: Resurgence ATMOS
Ghostbusters (2016) ATMOS


1080p Blu-ray titles tested:

The Last Witch Hunter DTS:X
Game of Thrones S5 ATMOS


I also tested one Blu-ray audio disc:

TrondheimSolistene: Souvenir DTS-HD-MA 5.1 @ 192/24 & LPCM 2.0 @ 192/24


everything I could throw at it, this player played, just wanted to let you guys know that. it's not as fancy as the Samsung, it's not as pretty as the Samsung (or not as oddly shaped in the front either ) but, it performed like a mutha and failed not on any discs.

I now return the Samsung UHD thread back to it's rightful owners!

[KenHurd]

Originally Posted by AKORIS

[QUOTE=KenHurd;12899787]I also have the Samsung KS8000, and I leave my UHD player resolution set to Auto. .

Hey, since you have my same set-up.... any idea what could be causing the issue I'm having with the TV not giving time and resolution info?
Again, on my cable and playstation I can get the time listed in the top right corner as well as the resolution input.
On my 4k player.. it shows no info at all....

Just thought I'd get another opinion to see if I have any other options to try....

It looks like it's working just the opposite for me. I'm only able to get the info button to work with my Samsung UHD player. It doesn't show anything on the tv screen when I use my other devices. I have all of my other devices (Blu-ray player, Amazon fire tv, and directv) connected to my onkyo receiver, and the receiver sends the signal to HDMI input 1 on my tv. It's a 2010 model receiver, so it doesn't support 4K. When I click the info button when playing a device on input 1, it only displays the audio source on the front of my receiver.

Since my receiver doesn't support 4K, I have my UHD player connected directly to the TV through HDMI input 2, with my audio going from my player's second HDMI output to my receiver. I just popped in UHD disc and when I hit the info button it said "HDR UHD 3840/2160 24p HDMI UHD Color" in the top right of the screen. But it's also upconverting blu-rays. I put in a Blu-ray Disc and it said the same thing, but without HDR at the beginning.

Do you have your UHD player going directly to one of your TV's HDMI connections?

Here are my picture settings on my UHD player:

TV Aspect Ratio: 16x9
BD Wise: Off (although this option is grayed out/disabled)
Resolution: Auto
Movie Frames (24fs): Auto
DVD 24fs Conversion: Off
Fit Screen Size: Size 4
HDMI Color Format: YCbCr(4:4:4)
HDMI Deep Color: Off

My Tv picture settings with a UHD disc in are:

Picture Mode: Movie
Apply Picture Settings: All Sources
Digital clean view: off
Auto motion plus: off
Smart led: high
HDMI UHD Color: on (only for the input I have my UHD player connected to)
Dynamic Contrast: off
Color tone: warm2
RGB Only Mode: off
Color Space: auto

[AKORIS]

Originally Posted by KenHurd

It looks like it's working just the opposite for me. I'm only able to get the info button to work with my Samsung UHD player. It doesn't show anything on the tv screen when I use my other devices. I have all of my other devices (Blu-ray player, Amazon fire tv, and directv) connected to my onkyo receiver, and the receiver sends the signal to HDMI input 1 on my tv. It's a 2010 model receiver, so it doesn't support 4K. When I click the info button when playing a device on input 1, it only displays the audio source on the front of my receiver.

Since my receiver doesn't support 4K, I have my UHD player connected directly to the TV through HDMI input 2, with my audio going from my player's second HDMI output to my receiver. I just popped in UHD disc and when I hit the info button it said "HDR UHD 3840/2160 24p HDMI UHD Color" in the top right of the screen. But it's also upconverting blu-rays. I put in a Blu-ray Disc and it said the same thing, but without HDR at the beginning.

Do you have your UHD player going directly to one of your TV's HDMI connections?

Here are my picture settings on my UHD player:

TV Aspect Ratio: 16x9
BD Wise: Off (although this option is grayed out/disabled)
Resolution: Auto
Movie Frames (24fs): Auto
DVD 24fs Conversion: Off
Fit Screen Size: Size 4
HDMI Color Format: YCbCr(4:4:4)
HDMI Deep Color: Off

My Tv picture settings with a UHD disc in are:

Picture Mode: Movie
Apply Picture Settings: All Sources
Digital clean view: off
Auto motion plus: off
Smart led: high
HDMI UHD Color: on (only for the input I have my UHD player connected to)
Dynamic Contrast: off
Color tone: warm2
RGB Only Mode: off
Color Space: auto

wow! it gets weirder. I have an old Onkyo receiver as well and I'm using optical audio cables for the sound.

My cable box, Playstation 3, and Samsung 4k player are directly hooked up to the TV via HDMI cables. I get the info on the cable and playstation, but nothing on the player.

My picture settings vary a bit from yours but nothing that should make a difference on these issues....

It's especially bizarre for you to have the opposite issue as me... but the same type of problem.