Samsung 4K UHD Blu-ray Player UBD-K8500

[katiehlvr2]

So has anyone confirmed that Deep Color should turned to off on the samsung player itself?

Does having it on cause issue with UHD material or both blu ray and uhd material non hdr?

Does anyone know.

Ray, I sent you a message

[Frank@Chicago]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

So reading the first impressions:

1) The main selling point of these discs is HDR/colors and not the higher resolution (that is fake most of the time as upscaling is used)

2) Unless you have a massive screen there is little difference in detail compared to 1080p Blu-ray (also when upscaled to 4K screens)

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If you don't have a 4K HDR TV, don't bother....

As HDR has been used on like 10 movies so far (with Dolby Cinema/Vision) and i have medium/small sized screens, this format doesn't seem to be geared towards me at all...

I'm in the same boat with a non-HDR set, although mine might be larger and newer (2015).

So I totally feel you on hitting the snooze button with UHD, unless there are some benefits to HDR-downconversion for non-HDR sets?

It's a tough-sell for me as well, since I also already own 3D versions of most newer movies and don't want to give up 3D.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

So reading the first impressions:

1) The main selling point of these discs is HDR/colors and not the higher resolution (that is fake most of the time as upscaling is used)

2) Unless you have a massive screen there is little difference in detail compared to 1080p Blu-ray (also when upscaled to 4K screens)

=

If you don't have a 4K HDR TV, don't bother....

As HDR has been used on like 10 movies so far (with Dolby Cinema/Vision) and i have medium/small sized screens, this format doesn't seem to be geared towards me at all...

Not at all my first impressions. I don't have an HDR TV and I was amazed at the PQ of Kingsmen. And it was "only" 2.8K, not 4K. Going back and forth with the included BLu-ray made me appreciate the upgrade even more. It was like watching the HD formats when they came out 10 years ago. Beautiful eye candy and I'm not going back.

That said, you have to be watching from an appreciable distance (depending on your screen size). I have a 65" TV and normally watch from about 7' away, but with this movie I was drawn in like a magnet and bumped my recliner two feet closer in so I could appreciate it even more. That's what the extra res does for me anyway. It just draws me in closer for a more immersive experience. I know many people don't have adjustable seating arrangements, but trust me they'll start getting creative when they see this (maybe with HDR they won't bother).

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by Adam_ME

I'll check when I get home. I think I have Dynamic Contract turned off, and I could've sworn when I first got the TV that everyone was saying that was the best option for that setting.

I spent a long time calibrating the thing, so the picture quality is consistently solid on all sources. The only adjustment I made after hooking up the UHD player was to put Backlight and Contrast on 20 and 100 for everything since I'm sick and tired of switching it back to 10 and 95 every time I play anything with HDR. 20 and 100 don't really bug me that much on regular 1080p or non-HDR 4K programs. A little too bright, but not to the point where it's distracting or detrimental to the picture quality.

Dynamic contrast reacts differently with hdr than sdr. It sorta "wakes" the pictures up without causing too much havoc.

[PRO-630HD]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

All right guys. Those that have Twitter. Please send messages to James Finn, PR guy of FOX.. We need an explanation why there is no Dolby Atmos on 4K UHD Blu-ray from 20th FOX. Even their biggest title The Martian suffers by this move.

https://twitter.com/finnj

+1

So Kingsmen, Exodus, Scorch Trials 1 & 2, Peanuts, Martian, F4 and X-Men all have completed Atmos tracks when released in the theater and Fox is too lazy to put them on a UHD disc? I am not asking Fox for a new sound mix, but to be too lazy to include a completed audio mix on the new format is absurd. It is like putting DD on a bluray.

Recall!!

[Mavrick]

Originally Posted by PRO-630HD

+1

So Kingsmen, Exodus, Scorch Trials 1 & 2, Peanuts, Martian, F4 and X-Men all have completed Atmos tracks when released in the theater and Fox is too lazy to put them on a UHD disc? I am not asking Fox for a new sound mix, but to be too lazy to include a completed audio mix on the new format is absurd. It is like putting DD on a bluray.

Recall!!

It's like the early days Blu-ray all over again!

[Adam_ME]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

So reading the first impressions:

1) The main selling point of these discs is HDR/colors and not the higher resolution (that is fake most of the time as upscaling is used)

2) Unless you have a massive screen there is little difference in detail compared to 1080p Blu-ray (also when upscaled to 4K screens)

=

If you don't have a 4K HDR TV, don't bother....

As HDR has been used on like 10 movies so far (with Dolby Cinema/Vision) and i have medium/small sized screens, this format doesn't seem to be geared towards me at all...

I wouldn't go that far. All I'm saying is don't expect to be blown away(at least in comparison to Blu-ray) by these initial pseudo-4K transfers from Fox. They're impressive and the HDR gives the colors a huge boost, but to me, they felt like a warmup act. I'm really interested now to test out an actual 4K transfer with HDR and see how that compares to 1080p.

As to your point about having an HDR TV, that definitely helps. Especially with 2K upconversions. Without the HDR, I doubt you'll see much of an improvement aside from a little more resolution.

Originally Posted by ray0414

Dynamic contrast reacts differently with hdr than sdr. It sorta "wakes" the pictures up without causing too much havoc.

Interesting. I'll test it out when I get home and see. Dumb question, but if I set it to Medium for the Samsung player, will it remain Off for everything else? I'm guessing no, right? In which case I'd have to go back and forth.

[saprano]

True 4K transfers still wouldn't show the best 4KBD can do. We need higher resolutions than that. Remember, the same was true for bluray when we started getting all the wonderful 4K and higher scans. Start high then downscale to x resolution will always give you more detail than starting from the same resolution.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by saprano

True 4K transfers still wouldn't show the best 4KBD can do. We need higher resolutions than that. Remember, the same was true for bluray when we started getting all the wonderful 4K and higher scans. Start high then downscale to x resolution will always give you more detail than starting from the same resolution.

That may be the case, but going forward I'm not buying any movie on 2K Blu-ray that has been mastered in 4k, unless I feel pretty certain that the movie won't be released on UHD BD for a very long time, if ever.

I'm really curious as to what extent the studios will be releasing catalog on UHD, and how big a role the 3rd party distributors will play and when.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by saprano

True 4K transfers still wouldn't show the best 4KBD can do. We need higher resolutions than that. Remember, the same was true for bluray when we started getting all the wonderful 4K and higher scans. Start high then downscale to x resolution will always give you more detail than starting from the same resolution.

To be fair sap a lot of the best scanning equipment oversamples the image anyway: the Northlight series has 6K or 8K arrays and the ARRISCAN has a 3K sensor which can be utilised as a 6K scanner for 4K output (by going over each frame twice but slightly offset, they call it 'micro scanning'), so that oversampling is already built into the chain. Same principle applies to most new 2K transfers for that matter, they're oversampled from at least 3K.

So I wouldn't worry about that aspect when it comes to 'true 4K' transfers, they're way ahead of you.

[MisterXDTV]

The reason why the jump from DVD to BD was so huge, was the fact that film scanning was used instead of old NTSC/PAL telecines

Now in almost any case the master source of UHD BD will be the same than the "normal" Blu-ray (except for the HDR color grading)...

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by Adam_ME

I wouldn't go that far. All I'm saying is don't expect to be blown away(at least in comparison to Blu-ray) by these initial pseudo-4K transfers from Fox. They're impressive and the HDR gives the colors a huge boost, but to me, they felt like a warmup act. I'm really interested now to test out an actual 4K transfer with HDR and see how that compares to 1080p.

As to your point about having an HDR TV, that definitely helps. Especially with 2K upconversions. Without the HDR, I doubt you'll see much of an improvement aside from a little more resolution.




Interesting. I'll test it out when I get home and see. Dumb question, but if I set it to Medium for the Samsung player, will it remain Off for everything else? I'm guessing no, right? In which case I'd have to go back and forth.

Im assuming you mean picture modes, but I'd keep that on either user or standard.

I think using dynamic contrast will give u the wow factor u were looking for. Medium seems to be good setting, its also recommended by spectracal to put gamma at +2 with hdr.

[Derb]

$757 after exchange rate.

Hope it's worth it. Still on Back-order

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by psicon

Not sure if it has been mentioned yet but Vudu now works, no UHD as far as I can tell.

Latest I have seen from VUDU on this:

"VUDU UHD is not an VIZIO exclusive.
The technology and content are just subject to myriad issues of standards, licensing, certification and other considerations that we are working to resolve in order to get VUDU UHD onto as many devices as possible. Fortunately 4K and HDR has some great momentum behind it (did you see the awesome TVs at CES?) so hopefully we'll be able to share more news and devices soon!"

Note: UHD is not exclusive to Vizio, but Dolby Vision HDR on VUDU is.

https://forum.vudu.com/showthread.ph...63#post1286663

[saprano]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

That may be the case, but going forward I'm not buying any movie on 2K Blu-ray that has been mastered in 4k, unless I feel pretty certain that the movie won't be released on UHD BD for a very long time, if ever.

I'm really curious as to what extent the studios will be releasing catalog on UHD, and how big a role the 3rd party distributors will play and when.

Oh of course if you're all setup for 4K it makes no sense buying the 2KBD version (though actually you are anyway.......combo packs). The 4K will still be a bit better. I'm just saying 4K>>>4K is not going to be best 4KBD is going to look.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

To be fair sap a lot of the best scanning equipment oversamples the image anyway: the Northlight series has 6K or 8K arrays and the ARRISCAN has a 3K sensor which can be utilised as a 6K scanner for 4K output (by going over each frame twice but slightly offset, they call it 'micro scanning'), so that oversampling is already built into the chain. Same principle applies to most new 2K transfers for that matter, they're oversampled from at least 3K.

So I wouldn't worry about that aspect when it comes to 'true 4K' transfers, they're way ahead of you.

I understand. Good to know.

But native higher resolution scans would be better, no?

[raygendreau]

Does the Samsung K8500 have an on screen display of video and audio bit rate? If so, what are the bit rates on these new UHD BRs from Fox?

[JJ]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Does the Samsung K8500 have an on screen display of video and audio bit rate? If so, what are the bit rates on these new UHD BRs from Fox?

They do not, unfortunately.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

If any one of these elements is missing, the UHD Alliance Premium logo may not be used on content. (This is the rainbow hourglass shaped logo)
So, a UHD BR without HDR will not be premium certified.

It seems a bit pointless for those that were hoping it was a Certified 4K seal of approval. I'm sure some people will find it misleading. The Premium label should have been reserved for titles mastered in 4K or higher with HDR. They can add HDR to 2K masters and put the Premium label on them.

[docmike]

I watched exodus last night on my 78in js9500 and it was awesome! Detail is impeccable. I must also say that now that I reconfigured my hdmis directly though one connect box and not through my soundbar my picture is much better with my regular verizon fios cable too. Who knew 4 months in that geek squad who setup my TV didn't do it the best way. Getting a "new tv" 4 months in is like Xmas morning lol

[MisterXDTV]

From AVSForum

Speaking from a non-HDR Tv perspective it is quite outstanding when compared to Blu-ray on the same TV. However, there is a big caveat to that. You can make it look awful or you can make it look great even with very slight changes to the settings. Changes to the settings on the player produce HUGE swings in what the content looks like. You can click the settings one click and suddenly start clipping everything with a Non-HDR TV.

Also the color control changes the color drastically with each step. There is no fine tuning the color with that control. However, you must increase the color to make it look acceptable. I think the player way underestimates REC.709 in order to totally prevent any clipping from happening at all. Basically the safety margin is just too much.

I think there still is a lot of testing to do. Finding the correct color setting to prevent clipping and yet take full advantage of everything a non-HDR TV has to offer is the real trick. We have to do all of that adjustments manually. The nice thing about an HDR TV is that it automatically optimizes everything right from the start.