Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by Underworld54

When this first started I told you people that consuming too much of this news will drive you insane, it's unhealthy. Now some of you are so obsessed and convinced that this is the end of the world.

No no no, you have it wrong. Just remember, Coronavirus will never end, people may never gain immunity to it, the summer weather won't get rid of the virus and we may never be able to create a vaccine for it. There is a strong possibility that we may have to live with this pandemic for years to come and we will need to social distance for a long time. But please, don't freak out!

That is what I learned from all the posts in this thread.

[Batman1980]

As Texas prepares for a phased reopening of its economy, pressure builds in neighboring New Mexico to follow suit.

On Monday, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott said many non-essential businesses can reopen on Friday at 25% capacity and by observing social distancing recommendations. He said more restrictions could be relaxed absent unexpected new COVID-19 spikes.

On Tuesday, 24 state lawmakers sent a letter to New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham demanding “justice, fairness and equity” for small businesses in the state that they say are going broke while big-box retailers are open.

“After a month of forced closures throughout the state, we are hearing from a growing number of small business owners who are at their financial breaking point. New Mexico companies are going out of business at a rapid clip,” the legislators said, adding that 80,000 New Mexicans are unemployed.

New Mexico GOP chairman Steve Pearce swiftly echoed those concerns. “Outside states are gobbling up our local dollars while mom and pop businesses remain closed and Main Streets become ghost towns,” Pearce said. “The governor must look at what areas can slowly open, areas where there are few and no cases of COVID-19 to start with.”

Lujan Grisham last week said she would extend New Mexico’s stay-at-home order from May 1 through May 15. The state has recorded 2,974 COVID-19 cases and 110 fatalities, so far. On Tuesday, it reported 153 new cases.

“We are not out of the woods yet,” Lujan Grisham said at a recent online briefing. “Until we have a vaccine, this virus lives amongst us and it’s looking for hosts. So it’s waiting for you to show up at a business or a long-term care facility or emergency room or a grocery store or a neighbor’s house. This is exactly how it creates havoc and harm.”

But elected officials throughout the state are hearing from beleaguered merchants and laid-off workers who want to reopen the state’s economy and are willing to continue observing social distancing recommendations.

“Several people that I have talked to, that have called are saying that business is suffering,” said Doña Ana County Commissioner District 4 Isabella Solis. “Maybe they’ve gotten some money but they’re using loans to continue paying their employees. […] I have to listen to my constituents. I have to advocate for them, that’s why I was elected to office.”

Solis sponsored a resolution urging Lujan Grisham to begin a “data-driven” phased-in reopening of non-essential businesses in the state. The resolution also calls for the resumption of non-essential medical procedures and offers to keep social distancing safeguards at businesses in place. The Doña Ana Board of County Commissioners approved the resolution Tuesday on a 4-1 vote.

“I think this was very important. There are small businesses that are on life support right now and they need to reopen,” Solis told Border Report. “It’s kind of unfair that you have Walmart and Albertsons open and making a lot of money while the small businesses are just dying. It’s very important to open responsibly — not the old way — but we need to reopen in a responsible fashion.”

Lujan Grisham’s press secretary said the governor and state officials are evaluating reopening criteria and procedures for New Mexico.

“The public health order remains in effect and must be abided by,” said Press Secretary Nora Meyers Sackett. “The state is immensely grateful to the local community officials and stakeholders from all across New Mexico who recognize the importance of safeguarding public health and upholding the measures we all must undertake to minimize transmission of this virus and ensure New Mexicans are as safe and healthy.”

Visit the BorderReport.com homepage for the latest exclusive stories and breaking news about issues along the United States-Mexico border.

Source - KRQE.com

[Pondosinatra]

Ick. As to how they were discovered...

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/29/us/bo...ome/index.html

[Staying Salty]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...N1aDjY/preview

Sequential CQ / HCQ Research Papers and Reports

January to April 20, 2020

Executive Summary Interpretation of the Data In This Report

The HCQ-AZ combination, when started immediately after diagnosis, appears to be a safe and efficient treatment for COVID-19, with a mortality rate of 0.5%, in elderly patients. It avoids worsening and clears virus persistence and contagious infectivity in most cases.

22 August 2005

CDC Special Pathogens Branch

MJ VIncet, E.Bergon, S. Benjannet, BR Erickson, Pierre Rollin, T.G. Ksiazek, NG Seidah,

ST Nichole. Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread. Virology Journal. (2005) 2: 69

Chloroquine has strong antiviral effects on SARS CoV infection of primate cells in tissue culture. These inhibitory effects are observed when cells are treated with the drug either before or after exposure to the virus, suggesting both prophylactic preventative and treatment use. The paper describes three mechanisms by which the drug might work and suggest it may have both a prophylactic and therapeutic role in Coronavirus infections.

As far back as 2005...

[Hitman Horton]

Originally Posted by MrHT

Is this new drug another "good news" that will lead to no where? I'm so sick of hearing news like this and then later on, the media is quiet about it and then the pandemic continues to get worse. Whatever happen to that Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin drug that was supposedly curing Covid-19? I was getting my hopes up that this would help the pandemic but I'm not hearing much about it anymore and the pandemic continues to worsen.

I think you're talking about two different things here. These medications would help people that are sick. They would reduce the effects of the virus or reduce the amount of time they would be sick. They would not prevent people from getting sick and, therefore, helping end the pandemic. The only medication that could do that is a vaccine.

[Staying Salty]

Originally Posted by Hitman Horton

They would not prevent people from getting sick and, therefore, helping end the pandemic. The only medication that could do that is a vaccine.

Not necessarily true:

22 August 2005

CDC Special Pathogens Branch

MJ VIncet, E.Bergon, S. Benjannet, BR Erickson, Pierre Rollin, T.G. Ksiazek, NG Seidah,

ST Nichole. Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread. Virology Journal. (2005) 2: 69

Chloroquine has strong antiviral effects on SARS CoV infection of primate cells in tissue culture. These inhibitory effects are observed when cells are treated with the drug either before or after exposure to the virus, suggesting both prophylactic preventative and treatment use. The paper describes three mechanisms by which the drug might work and suggest it may have both a prophylactic and therapeutic role in Coronavirus infections.

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by Pondosinatra

Ick. As to how they were discovered...

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/29/us/bo...ome/index.html

It's like every paragraph of that story gets worse and worse.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by MrHT

No no no, you have it wrong. Just remember, Coronavirus will never end, people may never gain immunity to it, the summer weather won't get rid of the virus and we may never be able to create a vaccine for it. There is a strong possibility that we may have to live with this pandemic for years to come and we will need to social distance for a long time. But please, don't freak out!

That is what I learned from all the posts in this thread.

What exactly do you want from us? Nobody, including the world's leading minds, know exactly what we're up against yet or how this will play out. Nobody has any answers yet.

[Moe Szyslak]

Effective reproduction numbers by state: https://rt.live/

There is an incubation period in which people are likely infectious but not symptomatic. This model assumes infectiousness begins with symptoms. While future versions may correct for this, a simple heuristic is to shift all values of Rt 5 days into the past.

While we make a best effort to accurately describe Rt, nothing can do that perfectly. Please calibrate with other sources, like epiforecasts.io, as well.

[MifuneFan]

Was just looking at the data for Sweden. Aside from the fact that their daily numbers are climbing, it appears that more females are being infected there than males. More than 2,000 more cases of females than male. That goes against everything we've seen with this virus, where men are more likely to be infected, as well as die from it. I thought it might be because of demographics, but the ratio of male to female is just about even (slightly more males). Anyone have any idea why this may be the case?

[Underworld54]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

Was just looking at the data for Sweden. Aside from the fact that their daily numbers are climbing, it appears that more females are being infected there than males. More than 2,000 more cases of females than male. That goes against everything we've seen with this virus, where men are more likely to be infected, as well as die from it. I thought it might be because of demographics, but the ratio of male to female is just about even (slightly more males). Anyone have any idea why this may be the case?

More male deaths though, over 300 more.

[Member-222782]

Next pandemic, governments should:

Close all major airports. No exceptions. All passengers on flights already in the air just before the shutdown should be temperature screened and quarantined for a few hours. All luggage should be sanitized.

Close transportation hubs and severely limit train and bus movement. Local government should provide shuttle service to essential workers (and by essential I don't mean McDonald's workers and commercial window washers). Medical personnel should be put up at hotels near their job sites to limit exposure to their families and cut back on travel.

Barricade public parks. Literally barricade them with high fencing. Only way to keep people out.

Enforce curfews with National Guard if need be. People may not respect cops but they'll think twice about breaking curfews if they see GI Joe with a machine gun on his shoulder

And FFS stockpile PPE and equipment. And stop being so dependent on China for supplies.

[Underworld54]

30 million unemployed now.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by Cinema84

Next pandemic, governments should:

Close all major airports. No exceptions. All passengers on flights already in the air just before the shutdown should be temperature screened and quarantined for a few hours. All luggage should be sanitized.

Close transportation hubs and severely limit train and bus movement. Local government should provide shuttle service to essential workers (and by essential I don't mean McDonald's workers and commercial window washers). Medical personnel should be put up at hotels near their job sites to limit exposure to their families and cut back on travel.

Barricade public parks. Literally barricade them with high fencing. Only way to keep people out.

Enforce curfews with National Guard if need be. People may not respect cops but they'll think twice about breaking curfews if they see GI Joe with a machine gun on his shoulder

And FFS stockpile PPE and equipment. And stop being so dependent on China for supplies.

This is a bit excessive but I do agree with a lot of it.

Also supply chains are what they are, countries have to rely on each other to keep that supply chain moving.

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by Cinema84

Next pandemic, governments should:

Close all major airports. No exceptions. All passengers on flights already in the air just before the shutdown should be temperature screened and quarantined for a few hours. All luggage should be sanitized.

Close transportation hubs and severely limit train and bus movement. Local government should provide shuttle service to essential workers (and by essential I don't mean McDonald's workers and commercial window washers). Medical personnel should be put up at hotels near their job sites to limit exposure to their families and cut back on travel.

Barricade public parks. Literally barricade them with high fencing. Only way to keep people out.

Enforce curfews with National Guard if need be. People may not respect cops but they'll think twice about breaking curfews if they see GI Joe with a machine gun on his shoulder

And FFS stockpile PPE and equipment. And stop being so dependent on China for supplies.

identifying and preventing are only capable when the discovering party is transparent and swift in their actions. China let this thing rip through the world for 6 days before letting the world know. so, unless countries act responsibly and stop trying to make themselves look good, those measure are unfortunately not very realistic. we dont even know the host or when the first infection happened.

[Moe Szyslak]

I wonder how many small businesses would actually not benefit from operating at something like 25% capacity.

With potentially losing any rent or mortgage forgiveness, operating costs, and an obvious need to rehire staff, there have to be some businesses that would rather keep their lights off for now even if they're greenlit for a restricted opening.

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by Moe Szyslak

I wonder how many small businesses would actually not benefit from operating at something like 25% capacity.

With potentially losing any rent or mortgage forgiveness, operating costs, and an obvious need to rehire staff, there have to be some businesses that would rather keep their lights off for now even if they're greenlit for a restricted opening.

if they received the small business relief loan, they werent allowed to lay off workers or furlough anyway without having to pay the loan back. so, those employees are getting paid still and might as well have some working if possible.

not sure on the rent/mortgage forgiveness. did that pass as a separate package or are you referring to the small business relief package which allows a portion of the money to be used for rent?

[Moe Szyslak]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

if they received the small business relief loan, they werent allowed to lay off workers or furlough anyway without having to pay the loan back. so, those employees are getting paid still and might as well have some working if possible.

not sure on the rent/mortgage forgiveness. did that pass as a separate package or are you referring to the small business relief package which allows a portion of the money to be used for rent?

Not referring to any specific loans or programs, just generally musing. But I guess I was thinking more along the lines of property owners "giving a break" to certain places for the time being.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

if they received the small business relief loan, they werent allowed to lay off workers or furlough anyway without having to pay the loan back. so, those employees are getting paid still and might as well have some working if possible.

not sure on the rent/mortgage forgiveness. did that pass as a separate package or are you referring to the small business relief package which allows a portion of the money to be used for rent?

For the loan to be entirely forgiven, 75% of it has to be used on payroll and the rest on mortgage/rent or utilities. I applied for a PPP loan myself on Monday, but not too optimistic that I'll ever see it, since the bigger companies are better at getting theirs muscled through first. We're busy here and haven't had to lay anyone off, but I could really use the extra cash flow (especially since I wouldn't have to pay it back), since fewer orders have been coming in.

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by Moe Szyslak

Not referring to any specific loans or programs, just generally musing. But I guess I was thinking more along the lines of property owners "giving a break" to certain places for the time being.

all depends on the business of course and location but i would think most would like to open if they are able to do so. would have to weigh if the rent break, which im not sure how much of that is really going on, outweighs the gains of profits coming in...

tricky times and tons to consider for business owners of all industries.