Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[Pondosinatra]

Originally Posted by MrHT

...simply because you can’t wait just a little bit longer until this pandemic ends...

Well that's the thing. When is it going to end? This year? Next? Year after? Covid could easily become yet another regular illness we have to deal with each and every year.

[Pondosinatra]

What in the holy f**k???

You have to wear a mask - if you're White - otherwise you don't have to???



https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/24/us/or...rnd/index.html

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by MrHT

I'm talking about dining out specifically moreso than wearing a mask. Wearing a mask is useless if people are going to act recklessly with it on. So that's why I "cherry picked" your post. The wearing mask part did not apply to the point I was trying to convey.

If I dine out and get infected because the food was contaminated, someone coughed on me at the restaurant, or the table wasn't properly sterilized, then I go visit mom and dad afterwards and then visit my grandparents over the weekend.... do you see where I'm getting at now?

Sure, I see where you are going. You do know you run the same risks food shopping and such. No reason to pinpoint dine-in restaurants.

Try being more proactive as opposed to the purveyor of doom. You will sleep better.

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by Monterey Jack

I wear a mask indoors everywhere, but on a walk outside, when there are no people immediately around me? That shit's coming OFF. Outdoor dining should be perfectly fine so long as the tables are spaced far enough apart.

Well you see, that’s the problem. I have yet to pass by an outdoor dining where tables are spaced far enough apart. Tables are scrunched closed together and no one is wearing a mask because they are eating and drinking. Not good!

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by Pondosinatra

Well that's the thing. When is it going to end? This year? Next? Year after? Covid could easily become yet another regular illness we have to deal with each and every year.

The more people act recklessly, the longer it will last. How long will it last? You tell me. Everyone’s actions determine how long this will go on. Based on my observation of people’s behavior, it will be a long time. And that’s why I’m getting so worked up over this...

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

It’s not all about mortality, don’t discount the suffering (and needless at that, if public health guidelines are not being complied with by everyone either due to defiance, ignorance or inconvenience). What we’re learning from patients about the morbidity of COVID-19 – https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ms-paul-garner

and what we don’t know about possible long-term effects…..

“Physicians and public health experts say more research—and time—is needed to understand the long-term effects of Covid-19 and the complications patients might encounter down the line and whether they have a chance of recovery.
"It is a true roller coaster of symptoms and severities, with each new day offering many unknowns," said Lauren Nichols, a Covid-19 survivor who experienced symptoms for eight weeks. "I may feel healthier one day but may feel utterly debilitated and in pain the next" (Parshley, Vox, 5/8)
https://www.advisory.com/daily-brief...health-effects

follow-up….

YouTube

[Penton-Man]

scanning the country -
https://www.newsweek.com/houston-icu...ecords-1513077

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

BTW - it will take at least 12 to 15 months from now to have developed a vaccine and distribute it to the population. No guarantees of being 100% effective either. There isn't a consumer based business on Planet Earth that can withstand doing no business for that length of time. As it is, with the restrictions placed on dine-in restaurants it is estimated that over 50% will permanently close within the next 3 to 5 months.

Yesterday and today I was reading several articles on COVID-19 vaccines from all over the world.
All sources mentioned vaccines ... Israel, UK, South Africa, Italy, USA, Canada, Brazil, ... from various companies.

It could take years before they develop one, and there's no guaranty @ the percentage of its effectiveness and what people's age segments.

• https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53061288

• https://www.thestar.com/news/world/a...-19-trial.html

It might not work in the elderly people but more in the younger people surrounding the elderly, consequently protecting them.

Many articles are creating a false sense of hope I think.
And some companies are more into financial gains than saving lives.

This COVID-19 is detrimental in many ways, not just killing people but also killing our ways of life by shaking the most fundamental values of our societies. There are more frustrations, more protests, more contestations, more finger pointing, more bad decisions, anger, lost of temper, fear, ...brief many are losing patience.
On the other hand some remain calm and practice the new adaptation in order to slow it down...the spreading.

We live in another world now, and for a long time to come ...

That's my frank opinion, numbers up, numbers down, and numbers up again.
Money? Food, water, a roof, a bed, masks, living first dying later eventually.
Each day we're still alive is a good day.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Pondosinatra

Well that's the thing. When is it going to end? This year? Next? Year after? Covid could easily become yet another regular illness we have to deal with each and every year.

I'm afraid so, and according to several experts.

[ctujackbauer]

Los Angeles has 88,500 cases and now leads the nation.

We're number one! We're number one!

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by dancerslegs

To be fair, the economy hasn't legit "thrived" in years, except for the very wealthy. And the US actually began the slide into recession before the shutdowns started.

Cambridge, June 8, 2020 - The Business Cycle Dating Committee of the National Bureau of Economic Research maintains a chronology of the peaks and troughs of U.S. business cycles. The committee has determined that a peak in monthly economic activity occurred in the U.S. economy in February 2020. The peak marks the end of the expansion that began in June 2009 and the beginning of a recession. The expansion lasted 128 months, the longest in the history of U.S. business cycles dating back to 1854. The previous record was held by the business expansion that lasted for 120 months from March 1991 to March 2001.

https://www.nber.org/cycles/june2020.html

[DetroitSportsFan]

Some Michigan news:

At least 34 COVID-19 cases linked to Harper's Restaurant; patrons asked to self-quarantine

https://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...ty/3250800001/

Appeals court says Michigan gyms must remain closed, just hours before they were to reopen

https://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...ow/3255383001/

Thankfully....

[Dex Robinson]

I'm really enjoying getting out and I think I've set a record for dining in restaurants this week.

Funny thing is: I never used to be one for going into restaurants but now I really enjoy it. My girlfriend is taking me out for lunch today (it's my birthday...I'm old). Went to the Burger King yesterday for some soft ice cream.

I walked past a local daycare yesterday and noticed the kids playing in the yard. The flag is flying at the school across the street.

We have a way to go yet but it's nice to see things rapidly returning to normal.

[Batman1980]

I'll agree that things are returning to normal when we can get through 1 day without thousands of new cases.

[BucketheadPikes]

Originally Posted by Dex Robinson

I'm really enjoying getting out and I think I've set a record for dining in restaurants this week.

Funny thing is: I never used to be one for going into restaurants but now I really enjoy it. My girlfriend is taking me out for lunch today (it's my birthday...I'm old). Went to the Burger King yesterday for some soft ice cream.

I walked past a local daycare yesterday and noticed the kids playing in the yard. The flag is flying at the school across the street.

We have a way to go yet but it's nice to see things rapidly returning to normal.

You're mistaken. We're not in, nor are we currently returning to any semblance of pre-COVID normal. We've been in a new normal for about 5 months now. You may be going about your business like absolutely nothing has happened or changed since February, & if so then you're a part of the problem.

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by MrHT

Ok, one last time.... it's UNTIL THE PANDEMIC IS OVER.

NOT rest of the year. NOT forever. I hope I am 100% clear now.

Originally Posted by MrHT

Wrong! If you get infected due to your reckless decision to dine out now simply because you can’t wait just a little bit longer until this pandemic ends, then you are responsible for infecting everyone you come into contact with.

This is no joke. We are taking precautionary measures during this time because we want to help OTHER people; not just ourselves.

blame the governors for allowing them to open then, not the patrons doing what theyre allowed to be doing...learn to adapt and live with the virus, not cower in fear for the next year or however long this may last.

Originally Posted by Pondosinatra

What in the holy f**k???

You have to wear a mask - if you're White - otherwise you don't have to???



https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/24/us/or...rnd/index.html

this is an absolute JOKE. who the hell is in charge making decisions, unbelievable.

so, the very people who have the highest risk of mortality from this disease should do things to not help themselves and others... makes sense

[Batman1980]

Update coming from the governor on CO-VID 19 today, guessing she'll be addressing fireworks and whether or not movie theatres will be allowed to re-open in July.

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

blame the governors for allowing them to open then, not the patrons doing what theyre allowed to be doing...learn to adapt and live with the virus, not cower in fear for the next year or however long this may last.

Not getting political here, but I would expect the average human being to know right from wrong and shouldn't have to be forbidden to do something in order to get people to do it. People should do something because it's the right thing to do. In an ideal world, it shouldn't have to be against the law to rob someone. People shouldn't be robbing to begin with because it's wrong. People in this world have to use at least an ounce of the brain that they have. A lot of the things required of us in life are very simple.

That is why I'm so frustrated and upset right now. People just don't want to do the simplest things in life and that's why the world is falling apart at the moment. All of this can be gone if we just did the simplest things that's required of us.

[Lee A Stewart]

Simple . . . but not easy.

[Batman1980]

It's only not easy because most people think of themselves first, second and third before they think of anything else.