Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by xxnomad

Well that’s the other thing when naysayers say majority of states have low numbers and few outbreaks. It’s because there’s barely any damn tests. Watch the number explode once people start getting tested.

Yeah, NY has done like 91,000 tests so far, 16K yesterday alone. That's part of the reason we have astronomically higher numbers here. When other places start ramping up tests more, their numbers will spike too, though nowhere as large as NYC for obvious reasons.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by intoanewlife

Meanwhile, in America...

The president said earlier today he “would love to have the country opened up and just raring to go by Easter,” but public health experts have expressed doubt that the coronavirus crisis will be sufficiently curtailed by April 12.

“Easter is a very special day for me,” Trump told Fox News. “And I say, wouldn’t it be great to have all the churches full?”

The president added that the religious holiday aligned with when he expected the threat of the virus to start subsiding. “I think it would be a beautiful time, and it’s just about the timeline that I think is right.” Trump said.

Public health experts, including senior official Dr Anthony Fauci, have said Americans will need to adhere to social distancing restrictions for at least several more weeks to stop the spread of the virus.

He's delusional if he thinks we'll have churches reopen by Easter. Gyms, sporting events, schools the same. Any large gatherings, not happening.

But it is possible to reopen parts of the economy where social distancing restrictions won't be unduly compromised.

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by Scarface32

Just found out two friends of the family (husband and wife couple) both have coronavirus. From what I’ve been told, he has it bad enough to be hospitalized, but the hospital they went to turned him away. So they are both home right now, self isolating.

That's horrible. If it is that bad, he should contact another hospital. They usually do a telehealth thing first, then if they feel it's warranted, they'll tell you to come in.

[Ant1010]

Originally Posted by intoanewlife

Meanwhile, in America...

The president said earlier today he “would love to have the country opened up and just raring to go by Easter,” but public health experts have expressed doubt that the coronavirus crisis will be sufficiently curtailed by April 12.

“Easter is a very special day for me,” Trump told Fox News. “And I say, wouldn’t it be great to have all the churches full?”

The president added that the religious holiday aligned with when he expected the threat of the virus to start subsiding. “I think it would be a beautiful time, and it’s just about the timeline that I think is right.” Trump said.

Public health experts, including senior official Dr Anthony Fauci, have said Americans will need to adhere to social distancing restrictions for at least several more weeks to stop the spread of the virus.

Originally Posted by bruceames

He's delusional if he thinks we'll have churches reopen by Easter. Gyms, sporting events, schools the same. Any large gatherings, not happening.

He already stated this will be a state by state case, Meaning the governors of their states will make the final call. Places like the Midwest that have very little cases should be in the clear in a couple weeks. Kansas has 2 cases in the entire state, why should it be on lockdown?

[Member-222782]

Originally Posted by xxnomad

... We aren’t even in the thick of things yet if you match our timeline up with China, Italy, or South Korea.

Who's to say we should expect the same timeline as those countries? Just like the virus doesn't affect everyone who has gotten it the same way, we shouldn't expect to experience the same rates of infection or death as other countries. The death rate in the US is still below 500, relatively low compared to, say, Italy. Speaking of Italy, they have a high number of fatalities because their senior population is very high (at least in the North).

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by ctujackbauer

You know the phrase you pay for medical care with "your money or your life"?

Gilead Sciences is taking this to new heights in the middle of a pandemic. The company is applying for orphan drug status for Remdesivir (the ebola drug that works well for coronavirus patients in dire straits) and not giving out compassionate use exemptions to new patients.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2020...irus-drug-yet/

https://theintercept.com/2020/03/23/...n-drug-status/

Not remotely surprising.

They're the same company that charges an arm and a leg for HIV medicine.

Originally Posted by Ant1010

He already stated this will be a state by state case, Meaning the governors of their states will make the final call. Places like the Midwest that have very little cases should be in the clear in a couple weeks. Kansas has 2 cases in the entire state, why should it be on lockdown?

They have 2 cases because they're barely testing.

Any state irresponsible enough to open up will see what happens to them.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by bruceames

Seriously I'm not alone. Many respectable scientists and doctors believe the curve will be flattened in a few weeks. Maybe it will, maybe it won't. But the point is, having much of the economy reopened in three weeks is not as far fetched as you many think.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=2705

I think it's a matter of how well we handle things while the shutdown is in effect. If people do what they're supposed to do, the shutdown will do what it's supposed to do. The fact that so many things are shutdown will help a lot, but there's still lots of places where people can ignore the advice and recommendations and just do their own thing. Too many people still aren't taking this seriously, especially the younger crowd (and idiots).

Like that article said, the more time we have, the better.

I think "having the churches full" on Easter is not a good idea, regardless of what happens in the next 3 weeks.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by Ant1010

He already stated this will be a state by state case, Meaning the governors of their states will make the final call. Places like the Midwest that have very little cases should be in the clear in a couple weeks. Kansas has 2 cases in the entire state, why should it be on lockdown?

Totally agree on the state by state decisions, but it doesn't have to be one extreme or the other. There can still be restriction on large gatherings while keeping the rest of the economy open. It's going to be a balancing act for some time after full lockdown restrictions are eased up, about what can reopen and what can't.

[Ant1010]

Originally Posted by Scarface32

Just found out two friends of the family (husband and wife couple) both have coronavirus. From what I’ve been told, he has it bad enough to be hospitalized, but the hospital they went to turned him away. So they are both home right now, self isolating.

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

That's horrible. If it is that bad, he should contact another hospital. They usually do a telehealth thing first, then if they feel it's warranted, they'll tell you to come in.

Of course the hospital told them to go home. Only if you have severe breathing issues from the virus they will keep you. Like the flu, people that have it don't go to the hospital unless it turns into pneumonia. My friend just went through his 10th day of quarantining himself. He had all the symptoms, he knew he shouldn't go to the hospital unless he is having trouble breathing. He is in the clear now and joining his wife and child again. The empty rooms need to be saved for people that truly need it. I have many friends that are doctors and nurses in the city and the island and they say that they are so overwhelmed with people coming in with a cough or sniffles. Those people aren't realizing they are causing more harm going to the hospital than staying at home. Doctors can't do anything about this if you have it, they can help with ventilators if things take a turn for the worse.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Ant1010

He already stated this will be a state by state case, Meaning the governors of their states will make the final call. Places like the Midwest that have very little cases should be in the clear in a couple weeks. Kansas has 2 cases in the entire state, why should it be on lockdown?

Because people travel. That's how this started in the first place.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by mar3o

I think it's a matter of how well we handle things while the shutdown is in effect. If people do what they're supposed to do, the shutdown will do what it's supposed to do. The fact that so many things are shutdown will help a lot, but there's still lots of places where people can ignore the advice and recommendations and just do their own thing. Too many people still aren't taking this seriously, especially the younger crowd (and idiots).

Like that article said, the more time we have, the better.

Yeah totally depends on what happens in the next few weeks. A very critical time period for sure. It's easy to be very pessimistic right now, but hopefully it won't be as bad as what it seems. I guess we'll find out.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by bruceames

Totally agree on the state by state decisions, but it doesn't have to be one extreme or the other. There can still be restriction on large gatherings while keeping the rest of the economy open. It's going to be a balancing act for some time after full lockdown restrictions are eased up, about what can reopen and what can't.

Right, we can slowly re-open some businesses, as appropriate, on a state-by-state basis, without "packing the churches for Easter" across the country, where a hundred people all sit packed close together.

[Ant1010]

Originally Posted by bruceames

Totally agree on the state by state decisions, but it doesn't have to be one extreme or the other. There can still be restriction on large gatherings while keeping the rest of the economy open. It's going to be a balancing act for some time after full lockdown restrictions are eased up, about what can reopen and what can't.

Of course but when does it end? Next year? eventually life has to go on. As of yesterday 50,000 have tested positive for the virus in America and 650 have died. That is a 0.013% of dying from this virus. The recovery number hasn't come out yet because its a longer period. The number will go up when more test positive but nothing insane.. The number is very low compared to some of the other virus outbreaks like SARs or the yearly FLU. Do i agree this shutdown is necessary at the moment? Yes i do, But its honestly up to us to help get back to normal. People need to stay home for the next 15 days. By now they have hoarded all grocery stores so they don't need to leave the house for that. It was sunny here this past Sunday and it was a party, everybody was at the beach walking around the boardwalk acting like nothing is going on. I live on Long Island, NY. This is why its so bad here, nobody cares. I'm so happy its going to rain the 4 out of 5 days. It will help keep people inside and will curb the spread for sure.

[Ant1010]

Originally Posted by mar3o

Because people travel. That's how this started in the first place.

People aren't going to be traveling out of state for quite a while so that really shouldn't be an issue if lockdown was lifted.

Originally Posted by mar3o

Right, we can slowly re-open some businesses, as appropriate, on a state-by-state basis, without "packing the churches for Easter" across the country, where a hundred people all sit packed close together.

Nobody is forcing people to go to Easter Sunday lol. Even if church was open that day i can see a lot of people not attending. All he said was he would like to see Churches packed on Easter Sunday.. A lot of people would like to see that, not sure why people are freaking out about that. Actually I'm pretty sure why lol

[quirkmanly]

Originally Posted by Ant1010

Of course but when does it end? Next year? eventually life has to go on. As of yesterday 50,000 have tested positive for the virus in America and 650 have died. That is a 0.013% of dying from this virus. The recovery number hasn't come out yet because its a longer period. The number will go up when more test positive but nothing insane.. The number is very low compared to some of the other virus outbreaks like SARs or the yearly FLU. Do i agree this shutdown is necessary at the moment? Yes i do, But its honestly up to us to help get back to normal. People need to stay home for the next 15 days. By now they have hoarded all grocery stores so they don't need to leave the house for that. It was sunny here this past Sunday and it was a party, everybody was at the beach walking around the boardwalk acting like nothing is going on. I live on Long Island, NY. This is why its so bad here, nobody cares. I'm so happy its going to rain the 4 out of 5 days. It will help keep people inside and will curb the spread for sure.

650 is 1.3% of 50,000.

[BucketheadPikes]

Originally Posted by Ant1010

...Nobody is forcing people to go to Easter Sunday lol. Even if church was open that day i can see a lot of people not attending. All he said was he would like to see Churches packed on Easter Sunday.. A lot of people would like to see that, not sure why people are freaking out about that. Actually I'm pretty sure why lol

Speaking for myself as an atheist, I will not be attending any church on Easter sunday, or any other christian holiday for that matter.

[bruceames]

The death rate is mainly dependent on having enough respirators. If there is enough, it's under 1%. If not, it's like what we see in Italy. The importance of slowing the spread and getting enough respirators cannot be overemphasized.

The U.S. does have more people than Italy or South Korea, but the population density is 5x less, with a great variation depending on where you live. I imagine that those living in sparsely populated areas (like many rural states, which tend to be Red) are not as worried as those living in dense cities as NYC. The peak may flatten and decline well before they see many cases at all.

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by Cinema84

Who's to say we should expect the same timeline as those countries? Just like the virus doesn't affect everyone who has gotten it the same way, we shouldn't expect to experience the same rates of infection or death as other countries. The death rate in the US is still below 500, relatively low compared to, say, Italy. Speaking of Italy, they have a high number of fatalities because their senior population is very high (at least in the North).

Is there anything so far that shows that countries that don't take extreme precautions end up somehow just being able to wing it and not have lots of people die?

I don't think it's a good idea to go by how many people have died so far, because from the experience of other hard-hit countries, the number can grow exponentially once the community contagion spreads.

And most estimates show we're about 10 days or so behind Italy here in the US, so things could be very different in the next 1-2 weeks.

One more thing to remember is that the Spanish flu killed more people when it made a comeback in the fall/winter than when it originally struck. We could see countries which relax their lockdown and start seeing a new wave of cases.

[MifuneFan]

NY has like 700 people on ICU right now, and that will probably double every couple of days, but there won't be enough ventilators to support that growth. This is when things start to accelerate, and you're going to possibly see hundreds of deaths a day.

Meanwhile the country has a stockpile of over 10,000 ventilators that they're so far unwilling to send us...

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by xxnomad

The arrogance of thinking the economy is just going to magically “switch on” in a few weeks is astounding. Sport seasons are cancelled, school years are cancelled, we are doubling the amount of infected people by the day, this isn’t something we can just ignore and restart our usual life again without suffering the consequences. People aren’t going to go shopping or dine out in restaurants anytime soon when thousands of people are still getting sick.

I’m just shocked to see people attempt to come across as reasonable and suggest a few hundred thousand deaths are worth “restarting the economy”. You know what the stock market loves? When our hospitals become overrun with sick people and they start choosing who gets treatment and who doesn’t. We aren’t even in the thick of things yet if you match our timeline up with China, Italy, or South Korea.

again, youre looking at the situation as black/white. and the bolded above isnt correct either. many many people would go out without a care in the world. ignorance? maybe but people would go to the places you think they wouldnt.

restarting the economy doesnt mean ignoring the problem and life goes back to how it was, quite the contrary. there are ways to slowly open up the economy again, in areas, for certain industries etc. again, stop thinking black and white here.

Originally Posted by danman227460

It took China 2 months to get it's cases low enough.

If we think that USA, with all that has been happening in the news, can achieve the same goal in less time. That is wishful thinking.

Most cities didn't start a lock down until last week, some even this week. If we take China and use their timeline, it would be May/June before we can see a lowering of cases.

As more people get tested, the case numbers will only grow. This doesn't include any people who might be infected and refuse to get tested or don't believe in it.

You can only protect yourself so much but if an idiot thinks its fun to lick or sneeze on items, there is no protection from that.

you do realize the entire country of china was not on lockdown, right? 17 cities in china (spanning 20 provinces) were put on lockdown. so, are they crazy for not imposing the lockdown on the entire country? they seem to be getting control over all of this (no, i do not believe the data being reported though).

also, people saying its crazy to think we could open in several weeks. these are currently HOPES, not dates set in stone. are all of these countries crazy for their guidelines? again, below are just examples showing that every country is doing things differently but they ALL have 1 common denominator, after the proposed lockdown, they will EVALUATE and adjust from there. everyone is taking everything way too literally (surprise surprise) and this is going to be a wait and see approach.

S. Africa - 21 Day Lockdown
New Zealand - 30 Days
Columbia - 17 days - then only lockdown for anyone 70 and older until May
India - 21 Days
UK - 21 Days
Australia - no lockdown - schools open - non essential business closed
China - Jan. 23 - April 8th (wuhan lifted)
Argentina - 10 Days
Israel - on lockdown - not clear when it ends
Belgium - 8 weeks
Germany - 16 states - length not clear
and on and on