Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[ctujackbauer]

Originally Posted by Pondosinatra

Think the majority of the 'it came from a lab' people don't think this was on purpose, rather it was an accidental release. The theory I heard way back when all this started was that it was a botched SARS vaccine they were working on that got out somehow.

I get its possible, I'll grant you that.

Although we in the USA don't exactly hold the moral high ground.

In 1950, Operation Sea Spray had the US Navy purposely release a bacteria on the metropolitan area of San Francisco.

And more recently in 2019 we had a level 4 lab temporarily shut down, Fort Detrick.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Can someone explain those numbers ...
¤ https://ncov2019.live/data

They are higher than the other data websites, and usually it's a source that I like.
I believe it was created by a young man from Seattle.
Normally the numbers are always in line with the other sites, even more updated so it's normal to see hundred or two more from his site.

But today we are talking roughly 4,000 deaths higher (difference).

I also know that several people who died are not counted for reasons like not infected, and outside @ their homes. .

I heard on the radio that they added several thousand home deaths that were not counted before. So your site probably reflects that, while other don't (yet).

[Pondosinatra]

Originally Posted by ctujackbauer

I get its possible, I'll grant you that.

Although we in the USA don't exactly hold the moral high ground.

In 1950, Operation Sea Spray had the US Navy purposely release a bacteria on the metropolitan area of San Francisco.

And more recently in 2019 we had a level 4 lab temporarily shut down, Fort Detrick.

Yes there's been several documented accidental releases from Level 4 labs over the years, in the US and in Europe.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by bruceames

I heard on the radio that they added several thousand home deaths that were not counted before. So your site probably reflects that, while other don't (yet).

That's also what I thought happened.
It's done and talked discretely.
Thanks Bruce for confirming someone else too who just told me what I already suspected just about an hour ago. The most accurate the data is the better for scientists. If not the better for economists. The balance rest in all of us.

* Undercounting /// https://www.thenation.com/article/po...s-death-count/

[LordoftheRings]

April 14, 2020

5:05 p.m.: NYC death count revised higher by nearly 4,000
"New York City's Health Department is now attributing 3,778 more deaths to the coronavirus, officially citing them as "probable" cases.

These are deaths of people -- at nursing homes, assisted living facilities and private homes -- who never received a test, but are likely to have died of coronavirus in the last month.

Faces of the coronavirus pandemic: Remembering those who died
While these deaths have not been included in publicly announced counts until now, city health officials have been cataloging these additional people and examining their symptoms and medical histories.

"We are focused on ensuring that every New Yorker who died because of COVID-19 gets counted," New York Health Commissioner Dr. Oxiris Barbot said in a statement.

While the state is attributing 7,905 deaths in New York City to coronavirus, this tally of 3,778 more "probable" deaths pushes New York City's death toll over 10,000 and puts the statewide toll at about 15,000."

[LordoftheRings]

130,483 (worldwide) ... 8:29 PM (Pacific Time ... Seattle)

• https://ncov2019.live/data

EDIT: The numbers now went down! ... 126,753

[DetroitSportsFan]

Originally Posted by Moe Szyslak

Pennsylvania House approves bill to reopen businesses following CDC guidelines:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.abc...usinesses/amp/

It has to get by the senate, and the governor can veto it. Hopefully he will.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by zman73

Had my first flu shot a couple years ago, after not having the flu since I was a child. Had the worst sickness a couple times the next year, I am talking cold sweats passed out on the cold bathroom tile bad. But between my daughter and my nephew (who in his first year of life has had three open heart surgeries due to a heart defect) I will do what I have to do to keep the kids safer.

And that flu shot had nothing to do with you getting sick months later.

People get the flu shot, and then if they happen to get a cold months later, they somehow think it's the flu-shot's fault. It doesn't work like that. Flu shots don't give you the flu.

Flu shots are safe and effective. Vaccines are safe and effective. The reason why polio isn't still a thing we worry about is because of the polio vaccine.

The reason why the flu shot may or may not be particularly effective from one year to the next is because there are multiple strains every year, which constantly mutate, and they have to follow and track the mutations, and then estimate which ones are likely to be the most prevalent strains for that season based on their tracking. But nobody can know in advance for sure which strains are going to start spreading that season. So sometimes they're right and their vaccine covers the most common strains for that year, and sometimes they're wrong, and their vaccine ends up protecting against uncommon strains that year that aren't really spreading, and not protecting against the strains that are active;y spreading. So anti-vac crowds spread misinformation that flu shots don't work. That's simply not true.

I don't know what they teach these days, but obviously teaching the basics of how and why vaccines work is not on today's curriculum, and I have no idea why. That, or they ignore what they've been taught in favor of conspiracy videos on Youtube.

[Batman1980]

LOL I've been blaming my most recent flu shot for the bronchitis I got in January, although I know it didn't cause it. The reactions were highlarious.

What's less funny is a pharma tech I used to work with doesn't get flu shots because he thinks they give him the flu. Makes me wonder what they taught him in pharma tech school.

[IndyMLVC]

$1200 just hit my bank account

[y2jman]

it's a shame I cannot get the so called stimulus check, I asked my dad other day since no

[chip75]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

130,483 (worldwide) ... 8:29 PM (Pacific Time ... Seattle)

• https://ncov2019.live/data

EDIT: The numbers now went down! ... 126,753

They came back to life?

[Pondosinatra]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

$1200 just hit my bank account

[Gator66]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

$1200 just hit my bank account

The $2400 is now in my account.

[Moe Szyslak]

Originally Posted by DetroitSportsFan

It has to get by the senate, and the governor can veto it. Hopefully he will.

Yup, that's all in the article. Just providing an update for those interested, the PA House did approve the bill.

I do wonder at which point I will truly feel comfortable at something like a sporting event, concert or amusement park. In theory, they're among the last things that will be open to the public. It will happen eventually, but we have no idea how long it will be. But if things become official and ticket sales are open to the public I doubt I'll be ready right away.

[Member-222782]

The doomsayers on CNN keep pumping out the bad news. Some Harvard guy was on the other day saying that social distancing and wearing masks may need to stay as a way of life until at least 2022(!). How in the world will that even be enforced with people already beginning to go stir crazy? I can't even imagine having to wear a mask everywhere I go for nearly 2 more years I can't breathe with half my face covered and I swear those things are causing damage to my ears from tight loops. The 1918 Spanish flu lasted 3 years because they didn't have the technology to control the spread but it's freaking 2020. They can implant chips into people so they can pay their bills with a smartphone but they can't figure out how to kill a souped up flu virus?

BTW, does anyone know why the OP was banned? He seemed like a reasonable fellow (or gal).

[MifuneFan]

CNN is the worst right now for their tabloid-esque headlines, and political nonsense. Might as well change their name Corona News Network.

[Josep5349]

Originally Posted by Cinema84

The doomsayers on CNN keep pumping out the bad news. Some Harvard guy was on the other day saying that social distancing and wearing masks may need to stay as a way of life until at least 2022(!). How in the world will that even be enforced with people already beginning to go stir crazy? I can't even imagine having to wear a mask everywhere I go for nearly 2 more years I can't breathe with half my face covered and I swear those things are causing damage to my ears from tight loops. The 1918 Spanish flu lasted 3 years because they didn't have the technology to control the spread but it's freaking 2020. They can implant chips into people so they can pay their bills with a smartphone but they can't figure out how to kill a souped up flu virus?

BTW, does anyone know why the OP was banned? He seemed like a reasonable fellow (or gal).

Technology isn’t controlling the spread, it’s people respecting the lockdown and social distancing measures that are in place. If people didn’t do that the virus would truly be out of control. Technology can only help if we play our part.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Moe Szyslak

I do wonder at which point I will truly feel comfortable at something like a sporting event, concert or amusement park. In theory, they're among the last things that will be open to the public. It will happen eventually, but we have no idea how long it will be. But if things become official and ticket sales are open to the public I doubt I'll be ready right away.

I imagine that events will become more exclusive, as indoor/outdoor event capacity regulations change, I think social distancing won't be going away anytime soon.

Originally Posted by Cinema84

How in the world will that even be enforced with people already beginning to go stir crazy? I can't even imagine having to wear a mask everywhere I go for nearly 2 more years I can't breathe with half my face covered and I swear those things are causing damage to my ears from tight loops. The 1918 Spanish flu lasted 3 years because they didn't have the technology to control the spread but it's freaking 2020. They can implant chips into people so they can pay their bills with a smartphone but they can't figure out how to kill a souped up flu virus?

Laws don't care how they make people feel.
You can get adapters for your masks, as eventually the skin on your face and ears will deteriorate (frequent users are already seeing issues).
There were 1,600,000,000 people Worldwide in 1918. Towns and cities were spread out and they still couldn't curb the spread. Everyone is a lot closer together today.

Originally Posted by Cinema84

BTW, does anyone know why the OP was banned? He seemed like a reasonable fellow (or gal).

They were one of the type of new members that start 800 new threads in a week, generally they don't stick around too long.

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by Josep5349

Technology isn’t controlling the spread, it’s people respecting the lockdown and social distancing measures that are in place. If people didn’t do that the virus would truly be out of control. Technology can only help if we play our part.

But without technology, how many people could work from home, or order groceries online? Without technology, we'd know a lot less than we know now, and the advances and speed at which various labs are able to communicate and share their findings would be limited too. Without technology, the social distancing would be far less effective because it simply wouldn't be possible for people like myself to stay in. No one factor is controlling the spread, but technology absolutely is aiding our efforts here.