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Old 07-14-2020, 07:51 PM   #11461
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I know the feeling, I had to wait a long time for a temporary crown to be replaced with a normal crown. But it needed to be done, and it was at the height of the lockdowns, I'm just glad my dentist saw me on emergency time.

Chances are the dentist gets it from you or other patients. Different people breathing directly on the dentist for an hour at a time for 8 hours a day. It went from a relatively safe occupation to top 5 most likely to get infected overnight.

Many dentists have installed UV lights, HEPA filters, electrostatic sprayers. They are paying through the nose to get N95 masks for them and the hygienists.

Quite a few have enacted extra covid/coronavirus cash fees to cover the costs because most dental insurance doesn't pay if they were to just increase the cost of their basic services.
I did notice much better? circulation in the dentist office. The air movement was noticeable at least.

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Old 07-14-2020, 09:37 PM   #11462
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The first COVID-19 vaccine tested in the U.S. revved up people’s immune systems just the way scientists had hoped, researchers reported Tuesday — as the shots are poised to begin key final testing.

“No matter how you slice this, this is good news,” Dr. Anthony Fauci, the U.S. government’s top infectious disease expert, told The Associated Press.

The experimental vaccine, developed by Fauci’s colleagues at the National Institutes of Health and Moderna Inc., will start its most important step around July 27: A 30,000-person study to prove if the shots really are strong enough to protect against the coronavirus.

But Tuesday, researchers reported anxiously awaited findings from the first 45 volunteers who rolled up their sleeves back in March. Sure enough, the vaccine provided a hoped-for immune boost.

Those early volunteers developed what are called neutralizing antibodies in their bloodstream — molecules key to blocking infection — at levels comparable to those found in people who survived COVID-19, the research team reported in the New England Journal of Medicine.

“This is an essential building block that is needed to move forward with the trials that could actually determine whether the vaccine does protect against infection,” said Dr. Lisa Jackson of the Kaiser Permanente Washington Research Institute in Seattle, who led the study.

There’s no guarantee but the government hopes to have results around the end of the year — record-setting speed for developing a vaccine.

The vaccine requires two doses, a month apart.

There were no serious side effects. But more than half the study participants reported flu-like reactions to the shots that aren’t uncommon with other vaccines — fatigue, headache, chills, fever and pain at the injection site. For three participants given the highest dose, those reactions were more severe; that dose isn’t being pursued.

Some of those reactions are similar to coronavirus symptoms but they’re temporary, lasting about a day and occur right after vaccination, researchers noted.

“Small price to pay for protection against COVID,” said Dr. William Schaffner of Vanderbilt University Medical Center, a vaccine expert who wasn’t involved with the study.

He called the early results “a good first step,” and is optimistic that final testing could deliver answers about whether it’s really safe and effective by the beginning of next year.

“It would be wonderful. But that assumes everything’s working right on schedule,” Schaffner cautioned.

And Tuesday’s results only included younger adults. The first-step testing later was expanded to include dozens of older adults, the age group most at risk from COVID-19. Those results aren’t public yet but regulators are evaluating them, and Fauci said final testing will include older adults, as well as people with chronic health conditions that make them more vulnerable to the virus — and Black and Latino populations likewise affected.

Nearly two dozen possible COVID-19 vaccines are in various stages of testing around the world. Candidates from China and Britain’s Oxford University also are entering final testing stages.

The 30,000-person study will mark the world’s largest study of a potential COVID-19 vaccine so far. And the NIH-developed shot isn’t the only one set for such massive U.S. testing, crucial to spot rare side effects. The government plans similar large studies of the Oxford candidate and another by Johnson & Johnson; separately, Pfizer Inc. is planning its own huge study.

Already, people can start signing up to volunteer for the different studies.

People think “this is a race for one winner. Me, I’m cheering every one of them on,” said Fauci, who directs NIH’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.

“We need multiple vaccines. We need vaccines for the world, not only for our own country.”

Around the world, governments are investing in stockpiles of hundreds of millions of doses of the different candidates, in hopes of speedily starting inoculations if any are proven to work.
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Old 07-14-2020, 10:29 PM   #11463
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Good find, Anthony, I finally got around to reading her and her colleagues’ paper.

As we’ve seen before, histopath can lead to enlightenment. Perhaps a root cause of the wide variety of manifestations of COVID-19 is due to microthrombi involving the various organs. As an aside, not in her study as they didn’t examine the brain, but other pathologists have found virus present in some of the blood vessels of the brain as well as the brain parenchyma itself (including the part responsible for the sense of smell).

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Old 07-14-2020, 11:00 PM   #11464
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Possible Vaccine?


 
Old 07-14-2020, 11:46 PM   #11465
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you know when you get to that point that is not being done for capacity that is like anti shoplifting procedures.
Yeah, I'm not kidding. PC Richards has that procedure. My guess is that due to the capacity limit in the stores, they only want people coming in to shop if they are really serious about buying something. They probably don't want people window shopping, which is stupid. Because I window shop all the time and actually end up buying something I didn't intend to. I have weak willpower, that's why. So businesses really gain from me when I window shop. Their loss, not mine.
 
Old 07-15-2020, 12:09 AM   #11466
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Yeah, I'm not kidding. PC Richards has that procedure. My guess is that due to the capacity limit in the stores, they only want people coming in to shop if they are really serious about buying something. They probably don't want people window shopping, which is stupid. Because I window shop all the time and actually end up buying something I didn't intend to. I have weak willpower, that's why. So businesses really gain from me when I window shop. Their loss, not mine.
There's not a ton to "window shop" at PCR. It's not like they have a ton of smaller things like CD's/DVD's/etc.
 
Old 07-15-2020, 02:47 AM   #11467
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follow-up to the concept expressed ^ yesterday,

in video form today –>

 
Old 07-15-2020, 04:14 AM   #11468
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Oh man, getting reinfected? And rumors in this thread that a vaccine may not happen? Geez, we are so screwed!
 
Old 07-15-2020, 06:23 AM   #11469
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I'm surprised no one ever complains that they have to wear clothes. I mean, hey, it's 100 degrees out. I have a right to walk outside naked and be comfortable.
That's a thing in California.
 
Old 07-15-2020, 08:21 AM   #11470
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Sorry to break up the gloom and doom circle jerk...but maybe, just maybe...this can explain the ridiculous numbers coming out of my great home state?

https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/fo...vid-19-results


Texas?

https://communityimpact.com/dallas-f...collin-county/

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“If you have a subjective fever and you have a headache and you live in Collin County, you now meet the qualifications to be a probable COVID patient,” Hill said. “It is remarkable how low the standard is now.”
https://justthenews.com/politics-pol...-hospital-case


https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...-texas/611935/


 
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Old 07-15-2020, 01:11 PM   #11471
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Oh man, getting reinfected? And rumors in this thread that a vaccine may not happen? Geez, we are so screwed!
Not that a vaccine won't happen - just that it won't be overly effective.

Likely need to get it yearly, much like the flu shot - and protection will only last a few months.

So useful for medical professionals - not so much for joe sixpack.

Meanwhile:

"US coronavirus model now projects 224,000 total deaths by November 1"

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Old 07-15-2020, 01:24 PM   #11472
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Sorry to break up the gloom and doom circle jerk...but maybe, just maybe...this can explain the ridiculous numbers coming out of my great home state?

https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/fo...vid-19-results


Texas?

https://communityimpact.com/dallas-f...collin-county/

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https://justthenews.com/politics-pol...-hospital-case


https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...-texas/611935/


saw them talking last night about the labs in FL that had 100% positive infection rate on patients tested when they delved further and got the actual reports, there were zero negative patients reported lol....

i mean, thats not a mistake or a simple error, thats intentional. this whole ordeal has been a sketchy shit-show from the start and they expect people to just believe the numbers with blind faith after all the nonsense we have seen....and people wonder why some downplay the virus and have no trust in our government or authorities handling Covid....
 
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Old 07-15-2020, 01:28 PM   #11473
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saw them talking last night about the labs in FL that had 100% positive infection rate on patients tested when they delved further and got the actual reports, there were zero negative patients reported lol....

i mean, thats not a mistake or a simple error, thats intentional. this whole ordeal has been a sketchy shit-show from the start and they expect people to just believe the numbers with blind faith after all the nonsense we have seen....and people wonder why some downplay the virus and have no trust in our government or authorities handling Covid....
Intentional by who? The dozens of individual labs? The government? None of this has any bearing on the number of cases anyway, just the percentage of positives. Florida is a disaster right now. Some of the usual characters on here are unsurprisingly clinging to fringe theories for why this is happening, rather than seeing the obvious reasons for these enormous spikes.

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Intentional by who? The dozens of individual labs? The government? None of this has any bearing on the number of cases anyway, just the percentage of positives. Florida is a disaster right now. Some of the usual characters on here are unsurprisingly clinging to fringe theories for why this is happening, rather than seeing the obvious reasons for these enormous spikes.
positive numbers remain, where did i dispute that? and i'm not hanging onto any conspiracies. if youre ok keeping your head in the sand and believing misstep after misstep, have at it. at what point do you start to question things? you dont find it troubling that they only reported positive cases? you truly believe that was an honest mistake lol, cmon.

the spikes are real, never disputed that. the high numbers are real, again, never argued that.
 
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Old 07-15-2020, 02:49 PM   #11475
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positive numbers remain, where did i dispute that? and i'm not hanging onto any conspiracies. if youre ok keeping your head in the sand and believing misstep after misstep, have at it. at what point do you start to question things? you dont find it troubling that they only reported positive cases? you truly believe that was an honest mistake lol, cmon.

the spikes are real, never disputed that. the high numbers are real, again, never argued that.
Can you explain what the benefit would be for intentionally reporting only positive cases? Not trying to be rude, truly want to understand. It seems like local governments would NOT want to boost the positive numbers, since enforcing lockdown and shelter-in-place orders leads to shutting down businesses, which affects the local economy. Is it so clinics and hospitals get more funding? It seems like the numbers lately are noisy, but you seem to be hinting at something else.
 
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Wal-Mart and Sam's Club will start requiring customers to wear masks as of July 20th, that will hopefully help stem the tide a lot. It is past time for corporations and businesses to value human lives over profits.
 
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/15/polit...rus/index.html

Oklahoma Gov. Kevin Stitt announces he has tested positive for coronavirus
 
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Wal-Mart and Sam's Club will start requiring customers to wear masks as of July 20th, that will hopefully help stem the tide a lot. It is past time for corporations and businesses to value human lives over profits.
Here in Michigan, all businesses are to require masks and are to refuse service/kick out those that don’t comply. Unfortunately, most businesses don’t have the balls to enforce the executive order and don’t want to “upset some of their customers”. So we’ve had people confront people that refuse to wear masks, resulting in fights, injuries, and deaths.

This is just one reason why I’m planning on my kids being home again when school is scheduled to start, which is exactly 5 weeks from today.
 
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...And I’m not sure about the protection only lasting a few months either. There is absolutely no way to know that and it is unlikely to only last a few months...
Perhaps you missed the study that infected people's antibodies went away after only a few months...
 
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