Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[Batman1980]

Supreme Court overruled the stay, we're shut down again after one day.

[bruceames]

U.S. cases seem to be leveling off, so hopefully in the next week or so we'll start seeing them decline.

[InuYashaCrusade]

Originally Posted by bruceames

U.S. cases seem to be leveling off, so hopefully in the next week or so we'll start seeing them decline.

Until winter

[Naiera]

Originally Posted by bruceames

U.S. cases seem to be leveling off, so hopefully in the next week or so we'll start seeing them decline.

Good luck with that.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by InuYashaCrusade

Until winter

Originally Posted by Naiera

Good luck with that.

We'll see. But I'm thinking by early August the 7 day average will be in full decline mode.

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by bruceames

We'll see. But I'm thinking by early August the 7 day average will be in full decline mode.

If we haven't started declining four months into this pandemic, a decline ain't ever going to happen until a vaccine is out. It's a shame too because we've could've had this virus under control by now had people done what they were supposed to. And the frustrating thing is that what was required of people was so damn simple!

It's never too late tho. If people start doing what they are supposed to now, we can contain the virus by the end of August. But I've lost all hope in humanity, so I'm not optimistic.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by MrHT

If we haven't started declining four months into this pandemic, a decline ain't ever going to happen until a vaccine is out. It's a shame too because we've could've had this virus under control by now had people done what they were supposed to. And the frustrating thing is that what was required of people was so damn simple!

It's never too late tho. If people start doing what they are supposed to now, we can contain the virus by the end of August. But I've lost all hope in humanity, so I'm not optimistic.

Cases already declined once, from May through early June. It's going to happen again soon.

[Mavsfan41]

Originally Posted by bruceames

Cases already declined once, from May through early June. It's going to happen again soon.

I’ll keep this post marked so if it doesn’t happen by about the 15th of August I can ask why you were so confident.

[AnamorphicWidescreen]

The pandemic cases are definitely not declining, they're increasing everywhere. Society is #%@$%@, both health-wise & economically - unless & until a vaccine that works against this illness is created, of course.

[dublinbluray108]

A cluster of over 20 construction workers out of 200 people on site were tested positive for Covid-19 on a building site in Dublin City Centre today.

It's the 1st ever cluster to take place on an Irish building site.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-39381275.html

I don't live near this building site thankfully as I live miles away in a suburb in south Dublin.

But this building site in Townsend Street is near a lot of major workplaces in the city like the Irish Times head office, Trinity College Dublin, Tara Street train station, a number of big office blocks, a major hotel & then both Pearse Street Garda (Police) Station & Tara Street Fire Station.

With the R number in Ireland being higher since that big increase noted last week; that's quite a big amount of people to be tested for the 1st time or to be tested again for the virus. I usually go past this area of the city for the majority of the time when I travel through it by bus or on the DART from Blackrock. It is quite a dense area which has a lot of small businesses in-between all of the big offices and such.

If those people were in contact with these construction workers before they got tested positive. All hell will break loose if nothing is done about it.

[ctujackbauer]

Originally Posted by MrHT

If we haven't started declining four months into this pandemic, a decline ain't ever going to happen until a vaccine is out. It's a shame too because we've could've had this virus under control by now had people done what they were supposed to. And the frustrating thing is that what was required of people was so damn simple!

It's never too late tho. If people start doing what they are supposed to now, we can contain the virus by the end of August. But I've lost all hope in humanity, so I'm not optimistic.

I think you're making this out to be too simple of a solution to the problem - there's a multitude of issues with keeping just "essentials" of the economy.

The USA shut off about half of its economy. Many other countries shut off 90%+

But to keep the medical industry/hospitals operating in this country you kind of have to keep transit systems operating because their workers need to actually get to the hospital. We didn't shut off food/medical/transportation/construction/housing appliances/computing/retail banking and every company connected to it (about half of the economy).

- Keeping transportation meant letting the airlines operate at status quo; is it essential in the hunter-gatherer sense of the word for the airline system to operate in a pandemic? Autozone didn't even close.
- For food we let nearly every restaurant operate; is McDonald's essential?
- Best Buy didn't close because they sold laptops and ipads, neither did Staples.
- Harbor Freight Tools, Home Depot, and Lowe's didn't shutter because of essential appliances for housing and construction.

Keep going down the line with every corporation in America using the essential business escape, and we pretty much just shut off entertainment and office buildings (except for offices that housed the essential).

Learn to live with it - that might be the hard truth.

[waxHead]

Originally Posted by bruceames

Cases already declined once, from May through early June. It's going to happen again soon.

The reported numbers might start to level off, but the actual numbers are likely far greater. Here’s just one story about the under-reported number of COVID-positive babies throughout Texas:

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/coronavi...march/2409971/

NBC 5 found more than 430 babies have tested positive for the virus in the four largest counties in North Texas even though the Texas Department of State Health Services is currently only reporting 125 cases in children ages 1 and younger.

If/when children return to in-person classes in the fall, that alone will create outbreaks. At this point, only a vaccine will get this under control in the US.

And if somehow we’re able to get this under control before a viable vaccine is available to the public, I’ll gladly admit I was wrong.

[Batman1980]

It’s been a roller coaster ride for New Mexico restaurants on Monday. They had a moment of hope after a district court judge allowed indoor dining but the state Supreme Court stepped in hours later and blocked it. Restaurants were ready to welcome customers back inside until the state’s highest court put a stop to it.

It’s been a long journey for New Mexico restaurants. Things came to a head last week when the New Mexico Restaurant Association filed a lawsuit against the governor’s public health order that temporarily bans indoor dining.

“Eleven percent of people, residents who live in New Mexico, work in the foodservice industry. and they’ve been kind of unfairly targeted by the most recent round of shutdowns,” said Michael Calhoun, co-owner of Red River Brewing Company.

Monday morning, restaurants around the state thought they finally caught a break after a district court judge signed a restraining order that would have stopped the state from enforcing the health orders, which would have opened up indoor dining services once again at 50%.

One of the reasons the judge signed the restraining order was the state failed to file a response in time. But the state acted quickly this time, taking the case all the way up to the New Mexico Supreme Court. Soon after, the Supreme Court ruled back to the public health order and indoor dining was prohibited once again.

“Disappointed to see the Supreme Court overruled that,” said Calhoun. “We respect the rule of law in New Mexico and if that’s going to happen then we’ll certainly follow the rules.”

“We’re just trying to be community minded,” said Slate Street Cafe owner, Myra Ghattas.

Some restaurants said despite the ongoing legal battle, they plan on following the governor’s health order.

“I understand and empathize with a lot of restaurants because our industry has been hit really hard,” said Ghattas. “But I just have to personally and professionally put the safety of our employees and guests first.

The Supreme Court is giving the New Mexico Restaurant Association a week to give a reason why it should lift its ruling. After the Supreme Court ruling, the Restaurant Association released a statement, saying in part:

“We will stay steadfast in our endeavor to save the livelihoods of so many New Mexico families. We are requesting the Governor engage in a dialogue with our industry to address the pandemic in a way that does not ruin businesses.”

Source - KRQE.com
So I went from 0 shifts this week (over the course of today) to 1 to 6 back to 1 and got the lovely news about 1 hour into my shift lol. What an emotional roller coaster.

Adding to my bemusement the other dishwasher thought I walked out at 6 when I sat down to eat dinner.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by ctujackbauer

I think you're making this out to be too simple of a solution to the problem - there's a multitude of issues with keeping just "essentials" of the economy.

The USA shut off about half of its economy. Many other countries shut off 90%+

But to keep the medical industry/hospitals operating in this country you kind of have to keep transit systems operating because their workers need to actually get to the hospital. We didn't shut off food/medical/transportation/construction/housing appliances/computing/retail banking and every company connected to it (about half of the economy).

- Keeping transportation meant letting the airlines operate at status quo; is it essential in the hunter-gatherer sense of the word for the airline system to operate in a pandemic? Autozone didn't even close.
- For food we let nearly every restaurant operate; is McDonald's essential?
- Best Buy didn't close because they sold laptops and ipads, neither did Staples.
- Harbor Freight Tools, Home Depot, and Lowe's didn't shutter because of essential appliances for housing and construction.

Keep going down the line with every corporation in America using the essential business escape, and we pretty much just shut off entertainment and office buildings (except for offices that housed the essential).

Learn to live with it - that might be the hard truth.

I doubt even 50% shut down. They didn't have a definition for what essential was when they declared the shutdown so nearly every business near me declared themselves essential when this thing began and half of them probably believed it. Also everyone wasn't required to stay home and they could continue to go out and exercise etc so enforcement was basically impossible. The only businesses that really shut down were the ones specifically outlined like barbershops and movie theaters for the most part.


The biggest effect on the corona virus was probably on the consumer end some stopped going out and didn't know who was open and who was closed.

One of the few states the shutdown was truly effective in was in new york and that was more because we scared them by having refrigerator trucks filled with the dead driving around. It also made it look like we made a lot more progress then we had because what happened in new York was basically a mask for lack of progress everywhere else.

[Hayabusa85]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

in terms of medicine, causes for optimism
timestamp ~ 46:40
re: therapeutics in the works to be administered early, like monoclonal antibodies, etc. followed by Tony’s assessment of the current state (as of last Thursday, July 16, time of the interview) of vaccine development including a short explanation of the value of neutralizing antibodies

WATCH: Dr. Fauci interviewed by Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg about coronavirus and vaccines - YouTube

P.S.
And later on in the interview, Tony answering other less technical questions related to mask wearing, aerosolization of the virus

When was the last time Zuckerberg slept?

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by ctujackbauer

I think you're making this out to be too simple of a solution to the problem - there's a multitude of issues with keeping just "essentials" of the economy.

The USA shut off about half of its economy. Many other countries shut off 90%+

But to keep the medical industry/hospitals operating in this country you kind of have to keep transit systems operating because their workers need to actually get to the hospital. We didn't shut off food/medical/transportation/construction/housing appliances/computing/retail banking and every company connected to it (about half of the economy).

- Keeping transportation meant letting the airlines operate at status quo; is it essential in the hunter-gatherer sense of the word for the airline system to operate in a pandemic? Autozone didn't even close.
- For food we let nearly every restaurant operate; is McDonald's essential?
- Best Buy didn't close because they sold laptops and ipads, neither did Staples.
- Harbor Freight Tools, Home Depot, and Lowe's didn't shutter because of essential appliances for housing and construction.

Keep going down the line with every corporation in America using the essential business escape, and we pretty much just shut off entertainment and office buildings (except for offices that housed the essential).

Learn to live with it - that might be the hard truth.

Ok, so how did NY (who kept transit systems operating and essential businesses open) manage to decrease the infection rate while other states like Florida, Texas and California are increasing rapidly now??

I'll tell you why... because as bad as the media portrays some of behavior of New Yorkers, MANY wear masks. When I go outside, I would say that at least 80% of people are wearing masks. In many other states, people aren't wearing masks. My boss (who is currently working from home in Miami) told me that it's very rare to see people wearing masks over there. Not good!

Please don't excuse the bad behavior going on. This is why we are in this mess. People refuse to believe their behavior is the cause of the mess we are in.

Now let's forget the shutting down of the economy. If we can get EVERYONE to wear a mask, we'd make magnificent progress. That one simple little thing can work wonders!

[veritas]

Originally Posted by bruceames

U.S. cases seem to be leveling off, so hopefully in the next week or so we'll start seeing them decline.

The rate of increase is probably decreasing because they are having trouble getting tests and running them though labs in a lot of areas.

Knowing government bureaucracy they are also probably losing some cases from some counties just from the switch over from the cdc to the hhs database.

[Pondosinatra]

Originally Posted by Hayabusa85

When was the last time Zuckerberg slept?

He actually died awhile ago, but the board had him re-animated.

[bruceames]

Took my family on a weekend trip to South Lake Tahoe. Change of scenery was really nice. Went to a couple of beaches and virtually nobody was wearing masks. There was a lot of people but not too crowded. Lots of sunbathers. I felt a little out of place wearing mine, but of course in the water you can't wear a mask.

Overall mask use definitely lower there than here in Marin. I believe hotels only opened up to tourists there a few weeks ago.

Yesterday had a dentist appt. and again my dentist for some reason takes off her mask to talk to me from 3 feet away after the appt. is over. So I hurry and put on my N95 again (as I just get out of the dentist chair). I wonder if she does the same with other patients. Don't want her to get into trouble for that.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by bruceames

Yesterday had a dentist appt. and again my dentist for some reason takes off her mask to talk to me from 3 feet away after the appt. is over. So I hurry and put on my N95 again (as I just get out of the dentist chair). I wonder if she does the same with other patients. Don't want her to get into trouble for that.

Our dentists have never worn a mask and we've been with them for decades, I do wonder how they'll operate now.

The mask thing is weird. I hope people who want and need to wear a mask don't feel uncomfortable wearing them because others don't want to. We've already had "Mask Shaming" in public and peer pressure is tough.

All I know is when I go out I'm going out Wild West bandit style.