Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Deadend45

"That's not only true for love-making scenes and intimate scenes like that, it's also true for scenes like fight scenes where there's a lot of physical exertion,"

The two stuff I am least interested in.

different strokes for different folks, you’re apparently a mature adult

[Deadend45]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

The Sweden situation was brought up about 20 min.? ago by Paul and Dr. Fauci replied.

The Swedish government "solution" is about trying to ignore it away but the one thing that is hard to hide is the deaths which is why Sweden has one of the worst deaths per 100,000.

[Underworld54]

The US govt last week updated the survival rates (i.e., IF infected) for Covid19:

0-19 99.997%
20-49 99.98%
50-69 99.5%
70+ 94.6%

Weird you don't see it reported anywhere lol.

[BucketheadPikes]

Originally Posted by Underworld54

The US govt last week updated the survival rates (i.e., IF infected) for Covid19:

0-19 99.997%
20-49 99.98%
50-69 99.5%
70+ 94.6%

Weird you don't see it reported anywhere lol.

The United States has 4% of the world's population & 21% of the world's deaths. Epic failure.

[bruceames]

For the record, the countries with the most total deaths per 100k

Rank	Deaths	Country
1	95.5	Peru
2	85.8	Belgium
3	66.1	Spain
4	65.7	Bolivia
5	65	Brazil
6	64.5	Chile
7	62.8	Ecuador
8	62.1	USA
9	61.6	UK
10	59.2	Italy
11	58.1	Sweden
12	57.5	Mexico
13	52.8	Panama
14	48.2	Colombia
15	48.1	France
16	36.7	Netherlands
17	36.2	Ireland
18	30.8	Argentina
19	29.5	Iran

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by BucketheadPikes

The United States has 4% of the world's population & 21% of the world's deaths. Epic failure.

what does that have to do with what Underworld posted?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by BucketheadPikes

The United States has 4% of the world's population & 21% of the world's deaths. Epic failure.

so as not to antagonize some people, a careful answer offered - CITIZEN by CNN: Dr. Fauci on US coronavirus death toll - YouTube
fact of the matter is, to be more candid, many doctors believe that there have been many lives needlessly lost from COVID-19 in this country

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

so as not to antagonize some people, a careful answer offered - CITIZEN by CNN: Dr. Fauci on US coronavirus death toll - YouTube
fact of the matter is, to be more candid, many doctors believe that there have been many lives needlessly lost from COVID-19 in this country

cant watch the video now... can you elaborate on needlessly lost lives?

[Penton-Man]

Looking at the (now 4 ) vaccine candidates’ protocols in terms of each’s primary endpoint defining infections, it appears that the Johnson & Johnson, Moderna and Astra Zeneca are a bit more demanding (which is good) as compared to the Pfizer vaccine. This may have implications has to which is superior in terms of treating moderate and severe COVID-19 infections.

So, if all are approved, since it looks like the Pfizer vaccine is in the lead in terms of first vaccine being approved, it might not be the best (most efficacious). And I know lots here think in terms of ‘best’, e.g. best movie, best HDR, best TV, best player, etc.

So, bottom line is, based upon how these are distributed and their availability, if you can’t get vaccinated with the first to the finish line, not to worry, ‘the best’ may turn out to be right around the corner, if one is patient.

P.S. thanks to my wife for pointing out to me the above protocol parameter/information

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

cant watch the video now... can you elaborate on needlessly lost lives?

no national leadership in terms of public health measures, google responses/statements from people like Vin Gupta, M.D. University of Washington or Michael Osterholm from Minnesota, to elaborate anymore might encroach upon the rule of this thread

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Looking at the (now 4 ) vaccine candidates’ protocols in terms of each’s primary endpoint defining infections, it appears that the Johnson & Johnson, Moderna and Astra Zeneca are a bit more demanding (which is good) as compared to the Pfizer vaccine. This may have implications has to which is superior in terms of treating moderate and severe COVID-19 infections.

So, if all are approved, since it looks like the Pfizer vaccine is in the lead in terms of first vaccine being approved, it might not be the best (most efficacious). And I know lots here think in terms of ‘best’, e.g. best movie, best HDR, best TV, best player, etc.

So, bottom line is, based upon how these are distributed and their availability, if you can’t get vaccinated with the first to the finish line, not to worry, ‘the best’ may turn out to be right around the corner, if one is patient.

P.S. thanks to my wife for pointing out to me the above protocol parameter/information

read the J&J vaccine article earlier as well. good news there are a few good looking candidates out there but it was also mentioned that the first doses will be going to essential works; doctors, firemen, police officers, possibly teachers...meaning, the general public likely wont be getting the first one out regardless and will be quite a while before its readily available to the public.

[ctujackbauer]

Keep in mind, even though the Johnson & Johnson may come out later than the Pfizer and Moderna vaccine, the J&J is a single-shot versus the double-shot Pfizer and Moderna. It might wind up being the vaccine of choice for that very reason.

Then again, it looks like there's going to be a scattershot of different vaccines and whoever produces and distributes enough of them first is going to have a crack at it. There's been about a billion dollars thrown at each of the first four horses in the race, it might end up being smarter that way if any of them run into production or distribution problems.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by Underworld54

The US govt last week updated the survival rates (i.e., IF infected) for Covid19:

0-19 99.997%
20-49 99.98%
50-69 99.5%
70+ 94.6%

Weird you don't see it reported anywhere lol.

Those odds seem pretty good, especially the first two. I wonder what the survival rate is for flu, in those age groups.

[Underworld54]

Originally Posted by bruceames

Those odds seem pretty good, especially the first two. I wonder what the survival rate is for flu, in those age groups.

I believe the flu is more deadly in those two age groups...don't quote me on that.

[BucketheadPikes]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

what does that have to do with what Underworld posted?

Originally Posted by Underworld54

I believe the flu is more deadly in those two age groups...don't quote me on that.

I was merely demonstrating that even with 94.6% - 99.997% survival rates, we're still going to have tens of thousands more deaths in the coming months because we're failing miserably at this. Survival is great, however, we don't yet know enough about length of immunity, reinfection & long-term damage. Just today Dr. Fauci provided information that MRI's are showing scarring of the heart in some survivors. That definitely is not a good thing. Arrhythmia & cardiomyopathy are major concerns of scarring of the heart. The doctors also spoke to other continued long-term symptoms of the "cured" including fevers, difficulting concentrating & other symptoms.

People can spin this any way they want to, but long-term effects & 202,000+ deaths & counting in about 7 months is the reality. According to the CDC, the deadliest flu seasons were 1957 when 116,000 Americans died, 1967 with about 100,000 deaths, and the Spanish flu of 1918 when 675,000 died. Flu season is approximately the beginning of October until the beginning of April, but sometimes runs into late May. This is not like the flu.

[Underworld54]

Originally Posted by BucketheadPikes

I was merely demonstrating that even with 94.6% - 99.997% survival rates, we're still going to have tens of thousands more deaths in the coming months because we're failing miserably at this. Survival is great, however, we don't yet know enough about length of immunity, reinfection & long-term damage. Just today Dr. Fauci provided information that MRI's are showing scarring of the heart in some survivors. That definitely is not a good thing. Arrhythmia & cardiomyopathy are major concerns of scarring of the heart. The doctors also spoke to other continued long-term symptoms of the "cured" including fevers, difficulting concentrating & other symptoms.

People can spin this any way they want to, but long-term effects & 202,000+ deaths & counting in about 7 months is the reality. According to the CDC, the deadliest flu seasons were 1957 when 116,000 Americans died, 1967 with about 100,000 deaths, and the Spanish flu of 1918 when 675,000 died. Flu season is approximately the beginning of October until the beginning of April, but sometimes runs into late May. This is not like the flu.

For certain age groups it's milder than the flu, for some it's more deadly. The governors who put sick people back into nursing homes should be prosecuted. I believe nursing homes and assisted living facilities accounted for 45% of all Covid deaths.

Where's the outrage on that? Imagine having a parent die in a nursing home and you're not allowed to see them to comfort them and say goodbye. I'm not sure anything is as bad as that. I got to say goodbye to my Dad 2 years ago when he was dying, thousands of families were cheated from that. That doesn't sit well with me, it shouldn't sit well with anyone. It's unforgivable.

[dublinbluray108]

There was some really good news coming from the University of Bristol in the UK yesterday.

A new drug, described as a 'game -changer', for Covid-19 using spike proteins that helps prevent it from going in & infecting human cells.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0922/11...covid-19-drug/

Prof Berger said: "So here we have Linoleic Acid, a molecule which is at the centre of those functions that go haywire in Covid-19 patients, with terrible consequences.

"And the virus that is causing all this chaos, according to our data, grabs and holds on to exactly this molecule - basically disarming much of the body's defences."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMaKFcpV5wg

There is more detail here on the University of Bristol website.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

good news there are a few good looking candidates out there but it was also mentioned that the first doses will be going to essential works; doctors, firemen, police officers, possibly teachers...meaning, the general public likely wont be getting the first one out regardless and will be quite a while before its readily available to the public.

Yes, I realize that . My point was that by the time the last, or near last, vaccine candidate is approved, maybe the 1st people in the queue –

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

hopefully we will have an equitable distribution based upon the National Academy of Sciences recommendations -

will have already received other prior approved vaccines (Pfizer, etc.) and thusly the J&J would be more accessible to the general public.

Originally Posted by Lacit170

read the J&J vaccine article earlier as well.

Not sure what article you’re referring to, but the more information the better. My post didn't come from any article as my wife passed on to me the J&J protocol in pdf - https://www.jnj.com/coronavirus/covi...nical-protocol
pointing out to me page 18 with regards to the heading at the bottom of page 17 - Case Definition for Moderate COVID-19, which is arguably the best of the bunch of 4.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by BucketheadPikes

I was merely demonstrating that even with 94.6% - 99.997% survival rates, we're still going to have tens of thousands more deaths in the coming months because we're failing miserably at this. Survival is great, however, we don't yet know enough about length of immunity, reinfection & long-term damage. Just today Dr. Fauci provided information that MRI's are showing scarring of the heart in some survivors. That definitely is not a good thing. Arrhythmia & cardiomyopathy are major concerns of scarring of the heart. The doctors also spoke to other continued long-term symptoms of the "cured" including fevers, difficulting concentrating & other symptoms.

People can spin this any way they want to, but long-term effects & 202,000+ deaths & counting in about 7 months is the reality. According to the CDC, the deadliest flu seasons were 1957 when 116,000 Americans died, 1967 with about 100,000 deaths, and the Spanish flu of 1918 when 675,000 died. Flu season is approximately the beginning of October until the beginning of April, but sometimes runs into late May. This is not like the flu.

^ bolding mine
Yes, I totally agree and the downplaying of the significance of this pandemic with spinning is becoming rather tiresome.

[Pondosinatra]

Currently up north in Grande Prairie and Fort St John...

For a US equivalent, think of asswipe Idaho or nowhereville Montana or something like that.

Pretty sure I'm the only person in these cities wearing a mask. Not even joe sixpack, but even employees at stores - other than restaurants - no one else is wearing a mask.

It's like they think the virus magically doesn't exist north of Edmonton.