Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by MrHT

We need a vaccine ASAP. This is quite frightening....

https://www.foxnews.com/us/coronavir...ng-protections

A successful virus is one that does not kill it's host. Otherwise it significantly reduces it's capacity to reproduce.

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

A successful virus is one that does not kill it's host. Otherwise it significantly reduces it's capacity to reproduce.

Yeah and this virus is VERY successful. Because while it kills some people, MOST people still survive from it. So that’s what is smart about this virus. Enough people survive from it that it has many chances to reproduce.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Underworld54

The US govt last week updated the survival rates (i.e., IF infected) for Covid19:

0-19 99.997%
20-49 99.98%
50-69 99.5%
70+ 94.6%

Weird you don't see it reported anywhere lol.

do you have a link, a cursory look means those numbers don't appear to make any sense maybe the link would explain how they got those numbers.

i.e. right now according JH 7034622 caught it in the US and 203789 have died from it that gives and a survival rate of 97.1% for all ages. if both sets of numbers are correct then over 50% of people that caught it would need to be over 70% and that would be completely out of range of any age breakdown I have seen.

[BucketheadPikes]

Published by John Elflein, Sep 25, 2020 @ statista:

As of September 24, 2020, an average of around 931 people per day have died from COVID-19 in the U.S. since the first case was recorded in the country in mid-January. On an average day, nearly 8,000 people die from all causes in the United States, based on data from 2019. The daily death toll from seasonal flu, using preliminary maximum estimates from the 2019-2020 influenza season, is an average of almost 332 people. Based on the latest information, about one in eight deaths each day can be attributed to COVID-19 since mid-January.

Looks to me like we're still seeing multiple tens of thousands of infections per day & anywhere from 800 - 1,000+ deaths per day & there's only one way to look at that. It's called reality.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Underworld54

For certain age groups it's milder than the flu, for some it's more deadly.

true, but there is one HUGE difference, If the flue does not kill you it becomes irrelevant (got sick , got better and now all is well) with Covid-19 it has proven that is not the case (got sick, got better now your lung is damaged and that damage could kill you in a few years, got heart damage and that damage can kill you in a few years....)

The governors who put sick people back into nursing homes should be prosecuted. Where's the outrage on that?

fully agree. Here there is an inquiry in it
https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/quebec-c...nces-1.4988171

On the other hand (and this is not an excuse for decision makers , especially the ones that continue with such insane plan) let's be realistic, isn't the real issue underestimating this beast. A senior in a long term health facility that catches the flue is way better off staying in the facility, it also meant having beds available for people that don't already have beds and medical help where they live.

The issue is this is much more contagious and dangerous and that lead to quick spread in the worst age groups.

Imagine having a parent die in a nursing home and you're not allowed to see them to comfort them and say goodbye. I'm not sure anything is as bad as that. I got to say goodbye to my Dad 2 years ago when he was dying, thousands of families were cheated from that. That doesn't sit well with me, it shouldn't sit well with anyone. It's unforgivable.

I agree, I have an Uncle that past away in August from this. Not having a real funeral definitely made things a bit harder, we ended up having a virtual
vigil for him, what would have been the alternative? having my dad and other aunts and uncles getting together in person and then having more funerals the next weeks/months because there would be a lot of people there in their 80's?

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by MrHT

Any chance I'll get to be back in the office before the end of this year? Or will I be working from home for the remainder of 2020? I'm starting to forget what all my colleagues look like.

since the last update where my GF works (unless necessary for someone to go in) the plan is 30% will go in in Jan and that will creep up to 70% by the end of March.

Basically we can expect to return to the office once all this social distance nonsense ends. Since our office is small, we can't stay 6 feet apart and since we have work from home capability, we should stay at home.

then 2022

I don't know about anyone else, but the year 2020 really sucked. Maybe for the rest of you, it has been a great year for you. But for me, it has been the worst...

I keep on saying the 20's has been the longest decade ever then people remind it has only been 9 months

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by MrHT

Yeah, maybe my guess would be when a vaccine is out. Maybe they'll require everyone to get vaccinated before returning to the office. But then again, can companies legally require employees to get vaccinated? Not sure about that one.

don't know if they can require it. But let's be honest there is a lot of BS on how fast it will come out but that is irrelevant, there is over 7.5B people. Do you think everyone will get fully vaccinated in one day? gouvernment will ration them and decide who gets it first based on their priorities, it will be months before the general public is allowed a shot to it.

[Lee A Stewart]

Can the Government Force You to Get a Coronavirus Vaccine?

State and federal governments can't force people to receive a new coronavirus vaccine against their will, experts said, but lawmakers may be able to create a mandate that imposes consequences for not being vaccinated.

https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus...ssible-1506548

[Chaotic]

So they are going to try to force people to take it.

[Pondosinatra]

Originally Posted by Chaotic

So they are going to try to force people to take it.

Why not plant RFID chips in everyone while they're at it...

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Chaotic

So they are going to try to force people to take it.

Unless an individual can provide a legitimate medical reason not to be vaccinated by a non-meddled-with FDA approved vaccine, personally I have no problem with mandate and enforcement of a COVID-19 vaccine for everyone including people who otherwise lack the conscience of being societal responsible on their own.

It is inexcusable that measles hasn’t been eradicated in the U.S. given the efficacy and safety of that vaccine - https://www.statnews.com/2019/03/26/...ack-outbreaks/

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

beseeching pharmaceutical companies to do the right thing - https://aboutblaw.com/TnB

So, why was that ^ letter sent out now to Pfizer and co-signed by so many experts from Harvard and Penn on the east coast to University of Washington and Scripps on the west…and lots in between?

Well, because Pfizer has its 1st interim analysis next week submitting 32 events which include mild infections, such as a sore throat or headache or a positive PCR test - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...l#post18107789 , along with the sponsor (Pfizer) having its own Data & Safety Monitoring Board. Combine that with the fact that it could decide to stop the trial due to a predefined efficacy threshold (≥ 26 events w/placebo).

Add to that the fact that as I explained previously, the Emergency Use Authorization standard as currently written by FDA can essentially be summed up in 3 words: "May Be Effective" so, nearly anything would fit that criteria.

[Pondosinatra]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Unless an individual can provide a legitimate medical reason not to be vaccinated by a non-meddled-with FDA approved vaccine, personally I have no problem with mandate and enforcement of a COVID-19 vaccine for everyone including people who otherwise lack the conscience of being societal responsible on their own.

It is inexcusable that measles hasn’t been eradicated in the U.S. given the efficacy and safety of that vaccine - https://www.statnews.com/2019/03/26/...ack-outbreaks/

Ya, what could possibly go wrong with the fastest developed vaccine in history - where countries have already entered into contracts with multiple pharma companies - which one are you getting? You'll never know. Maybe it'll be the Russian one where they just skipped the safety testing.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart...sco-180961994/

[Deadend45]

"Coronavirus: 7 people linked to Toronto restaurant test positive, around 1,700 possibly exposed"

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/202...warehouse.html

Odd that people think its worth their life to go somewhere totally unnecessary. I see people crowding into small places and its only just a matter of time for an outbreak to occur there.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Pondosinatra

Ya, what could possibly go wrong with the fastest developed vaccine in history - where countries have already entered into contracts with multiple pharma companies - which one are you getting? You'll never know. Maybe it'll be the Russian one where they just skipped the safety testing.

Pondo, not sure how it works up there in Canada, but here in the U.S., the type of vaccine you get at the time of injection is rather transparent. You should get some paperwork from the administrator showing the name of the vaccine and the manufacturer, for example, with types of high-dose flu vaccines:
Sanofi – https://sanofiflu.com/
or, Sequirus - https://flu.seqirus.com/FluadCategor...irus_PreSeason

I’m not really concerned about not knowing which COVID-19 one were to get. My greatest fear is that the final authority as to issuance of Emergency Use Authorization (which could be approved for widespread use, rather than highly-selective for high risk groups in for instance nursing homes, if the death rate there were to jump again) does not rest with a career scientist/medical doctor at the FDA, in fact, with nobody at the FDA.

[Pondosinatra]

Originally Posted by Deadend45

"Coronavirus: 7 people linked to Toronto restaurant test positive, around 1,700 possibly exposed"

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/202...warehouse.html

Odd that people think its worth their life to go somewhere totally unnecessary. I see people crowding into small places and its only just a matter of time for an outbreak to occur there.

Well Ontario just shut down all the strip clubs...guess they'll have to go next door to Quebec for their lap dances.

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by Pondosinatra

Well Ontario just shut down all the strip clubs...guess they'll have to go next door to Quebec for their lap dances.

They can’t shut down strip clubs. It’s an essential business!

[Penton-Man]

people have now been warned by Dr. Fauci and Dr. Murray/Univ. of Washington (https://globalhealth.washington.edu/...stopher-murray), and as we see, progress made against coronavirus can be precarious -

Dr. Fauci Warns Flu Season May Accelerate Spread Of The Coronavirus | NBC Nightly News - YouTube

[noirjunkie]

Originally Posted by MrHT

We need a vaccine ASAP. This is quite frightening....

https://www.foxnews.com/us/coronavir...ng-protections

From the Washington Post article that this piece is referencing:

The new report, however, did not find that these mutations have made the virus deadlier or changed clinical outcomes. All viruses accumulate genetic mutations, and most are insignificant, scientists say.

It's also important to note that this paper has not been peer reviewed. Frankly, papers like this shouldn't be published until they've been vetted. The chance of spreading incomplete or outright inaccurate information is too high.

[MrHT]

Looks like NY is in trouble! What the heck happened? We were doing so well for MONTHS!!

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...cases/2637817/