Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by MrHT

The complete "shelter in place" order that they may put in NYC scares me.

There's no way I can just be cooped up at home without getting a breath of fresh air. So no one can go out, take a walk or jog??

I wonder if I'll remember how to walk after this pandemic is gone. My legs will probably be so weak due to my lack of walking.

No, you can still go out and talk a walk and exercise with the shelter in place order. In fact, it should be encouraged. Exercise, fresh air and sunshine is good for the immune system and good for the mind. And are less likely to get sick when they do have to venture outside to visit a store or doctor, etc.

[MazeRunner]

Originally Posted by meremortal

Not sure. I recall in the past you'd have had to have both filed a return and made under $75k to have been eligible in the earlier 2000s. So a lot of young adults likely did not receive a check.

PLEASE let this be the case. I know tons of people who choose to be unemployed and live the party life who don't deserve this money.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by MrHT

The complete "shelter in place" order that they may put in NYC scares me.

There's no way I can just be cooped up at home without getting a breath of fresh air. So no one can go out, take a walk or jog??

I wonder if I'll remember how to walk after this pandemic is gone. My legs will probably be so weak due to my lack of walking.

Governor Cuomo said no to NYC shelter in place. Not happening. He is the only one that can authorize it. The mayor of NYC can't do it.

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by bruceames

No, you can still go out and talk a walk and exercise with the shelter in place order. In fact, it should be encouraged. Exercise, fresh air and sunshine is good for the immune system and good for the mind. And are less likely to get sick when they do have to venture outside to visit a store or doctor, etc.

Whew! That's good to hear. At least, I would like to take a walk. I feel my legs weakening already because I haven't been going out. Working from home has started to become dull and I'm not getting any exercise whatsoever.

[MazeRunner]

Originally Posted by Unknown450

I should be good on groceries til end of the month. Other than milk, bread. Which I'll just quickly grab at convenience store when need. Will use wal mart grocery delivery whenever I do need food again.

Someone in my area got banned from a gas station for trying to buy a gallon of milk. The gas station is privately owned I guess and filed a trespass thing on him and if he goes back to that store he could be arrested. He posted the paper on social media and the post got popular.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by MazeRunner

PLEASE let this be the case. I know tons of people who choose to be unemployed and live the party life who don't deserve this money.

I believe you either have to have filed a tax return (with income less than $65K) or are on social security. Anyone claimed as a dependent (children) would receive $500. No other way for the gov't to know you exist and give you $.

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by MrHT

The complete "shelter in place" order that they may put in NYC scares me.

There's no way I can just be cooped up at home without getting a breath of fresh air. So no one can go out, take a walk or jog??

I wonder if I'll remember how to walk after this pandemic is gone. My legs will probably be so weak due to my lack of walking.

San Fran rules:

The order permits leaving one’s home to get food, medicine, and other necessary supplies, or to get to an essential job (see below). People can leave to take a walk to stave off cabin fever, but should travel individually when possible and maintain six feet of space between yourself and the nearest person.

Restaurants and cafes can open but may only provide food to go, and deliveries are allowed.

People are allowed to travel to take care of friends or relatives who need care because of chronic sickness, disability, or other overriding reasons.

What you should not do: Don’t have people over to your home, don’t leave to shop for anything non-essential (essentials in this case are basically food, medicine, anything you need to work if you are working, and home supplies), don’t attend religious services, don’t gather in groups anywhere for any reason. Public transit remains in operation, as are taxis and ride services. The roads are open, of course, but travel should be limited to only the most important trips. Medical care that is not essential, like dentist appointments and eye exams, should be canceled.

These rules are mandatory. Flouting these rules is considered a misdemeanor, punishable by a fine or even jail time. (Ninety days is the max for a misdemeanor charge). The rules are strict—but not quite so serious as in some other places. (Europe)

And that’s the point: If this plan works, SF and the surrounding areas will not need to adopt any more stringent measures. But the plan depends on people adhering to the rules.

[Dining Dead]

The use of phrasing like "nothing short of terrifying" by a medical professional to describe a lung scan is unprofessional, not at all helpful, and borderline negligent.

I would argue that the people reading reports like his are already quite concerned and aware of the danger this virus poses. Rather than use language that is clearly meant to terrify, why not use informative phrasing such as "the patient's lungs were badly scared." That still conveys the message of just how severe this is, but instills trust and concern in the reader rather than pure anxiety.

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

The rules are strict—but not quite so serious as in some other places. (Europe)

And that’s the point: If this plan works, SF and the surrounding areas will not need to adopt any more stringent measures. But the plan depends on people adhering to the rules.

Exactly right, no part of the US has yet implemented the super strict rules that parts of Europe have. If they work, it won't be necessary. If people don't follow them, well, then there might be a complete lockdown

[DVD Josh]

Originally Posted by MazeRunner

Someone in my area got banned from a gas station for trying to buy a gallon of milk. The gas station is privately owned I guess and filed a trespass thing on him and if he goes back to that store he could be arrested. He posted the paper on social media and the post got popular.

There has to be much, much, much more to this story that you posted here.

[BucketheadPikes]

Originally Posted by Dining Dead

The use of phrasing like "nothing short of terrifying" by a medical professional to describe a lung scan is unprofessional, not at all helpful, and borderline negligent.

I would argue that the people reading reports like his are already quite concerned and aware of the danger this virus poses. Rather than use language that is clearly meant to terrify, why not use informative phrasing such as "the patient's lungs were badly scared." That still conveys the message of just how severe this is, but instills trust and concern in the reader rather than pure anxiety.

I would argue that young people are not getting the message loud & clear, or they just don't care about potentially infecting others that are more vulnerable & possibly causing the death of someone else due to their own negligence & "don't worry about it" attitude. I feel that the doc's type of language is justified & perfectly acceptable especially considering what we've seen with young people packing themselves into large crowds like sardines in a can just so they can party & get on the internet & say "look at me I'm out partying with a bunch of others" like absolutely nothing has changed in this country after a national state of emergency has been declared & damn near everything is shutting down. Give me a break man.

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by BucketheadPikes

I would argue that young people are not getting the message loud & clear, or they just don't care about potentially infecting others that are more vulnerable & possibly causing the death of someone else due to their own negligence & "don't worry about it" attitude.

Agree. Not only is there the risk of the youngsters infecting others, who might die, but also of pushing the whole healthcare system closer to collapse. At that point, nobody who has a life-threatening emergency will be able to get treatment.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ronavirus.html

[Unknown450]

Originally Posted by MazeRunner

Someone in my area got banned from a gas station for trying to buy a gallon of milk. The gas station is privately owned I guess and filed a trespass thing on him and if he goes back to that store he could be arrested. He posted the paper on social media and the post got popular.

Wow I assume it must have been privatley owned I can't imagine nation stores would turn down customers for 1 gallon of milk. Unless they were trying to buy them all at once.

[Dining Dead]

Originally Posted by BucketheadPikes

I would argue that young people are not getting the message loud & clear, or they just don't care about potentially infecting others that are more vulnerable & possibly causing the death of someone else due to their own negligence & "don't worry about it" attitude. I feel that the doc's type of language is justified & perfectly acceptable especially considering what we've seen with young people packing themselves into large crowds like sardines in a can just so they can party & get on the internet & say "look at me I'm out partying with a bunch of others" like absolutely nothing has changed in this country after a national state of emergency has been declared & damn near everything is shutting down. Give me a break man.

I agree that the spring break crowd's actions are absolutely idiotic. However, and I know this is pure speculation, I would wager a very, very small percentage of individuals possessing that mentality are actively reading and taking to heart doctor reports regarding this virus. If that were the case, they would have canceled plans. And, language like this doctor uses is quite likely to be seen as pure hyperbole, because it sounds wildly unprofessional.

I don't doubt he is seeing troubling signs from these scans, because, well, I trust medical professionals. However, I'm also not a fan of stoking fear and anxiety by using vague and intentionally frightening language, especially without thorough context and explanation.

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

Exactly right, no part of the US has yet implemented the super strict rules that parts of Europe have. If they work, it won't be necessary. If people don't follow them, well, then there might be a complete lockdown

precisely the problem.

Originally Posted by BucketheadPikes

I would argue that young people are not getting the message loud & clear, or they just don't care about potentially infecting others that are more vulnerable & possibly causing the death of someone else due to their own negligence & "don't worry about it" attitude. I feel that the doc's type of language is justified & perfectly acceptable especially considering what we've seen with young people packing themselves into large crowds like sardines in a can just so they can party & get on the internet & say "look at me I'm out partying with a bunch of others" like absolutely nothing has changed in this country after a national state of emergency has been declared & damn near everything is shutting down. Give me a break man.

this is no different than the media portraying doom and gloom for the same reason that if the facts were reported that ONLY elderly and people with meidcal issues were being affected, for the most part, too many people simply wouldnt care and would go on living like nothing was going on since it doesnt affect them...only care if it affects them.

basically, its very hard to discern fact from fiction when there are motives involved. either way, ill carry on myself by adhering to the procedures they are telling us to take, whether im affected personally or not

Originally Posted by Dining Dead

I agree that the spring break crowd's actions are absolutely idiotic. However, and I know this is pure speculation, I would wager a very, very small percentage of individuals possessing that mentality are actively reading and taking to heart doctor reports regarding this virus. If that were the case, they would have canceled plans. And, language like this doctor uses is quite likely to be seen as pure hyperbole, because it sounds wildly unprofessional.

I don't doubt he is seeing troubling signs from these scans, because, well, I trust medical professionals. However, I'm also not a fan of stoking fear and anxiety by using vague and intentionally frightening language, especially without thorough context and explanation.

exactly, any doctor who openly speaks like that on conditions is either an illegitimate doctor or is using his words carefully with intention.

[BucketheadPikes]

Originally Posted by Dining Dead

I agree that the spring break crowd's actions are absolutely idiotic. However, and I know this is pure speculation, I would wager a very, very small percentage of individuals possessing that mentality are actively reading and taking to heart doctor reports regarding this virus. If that were the case, they would have canceled plans. And, language like this doctor uses is quite likely to be seen as pure hyperbole, because it sounds wildly unprofessional.

I don't doubt he is seeing troubling signs from these scans, because, well, I trust medical professionals. However, I'm also not a fan of stoking fear and anxiety by using vague and intentionally frightening language, especially without thorough context and explanation.

Ok, fair enough, you can feel however you want about it, that's fine, but I wasn't just talking about the spring breakers on the beach in Florida though. The partygoers in Wrigleyville, Pittsburgh, Nashville & New Orleans too. It's just ridiculous & totally irresponsible, & potentially dangerous.

I'm not going to get into all of the details, but I just had a conversation over the phone this morning with a college professor & she informed me that she has cancelled an event that she annually sponsors & that I attend every year, because she didn't want to be or even feel responsible for the spread of COVID-19 or worse, the death of someone else. She said she didn't want that on her conscience. She also told me she wished her students displayed the same compassion & empathy for others, but sadly many of them are not. She also told me that even her own children were acting like everything is just A-OK & she had to put them in their place by frankly speaking to them to get them to see the potential danger in that type of irresponsible mindset. Was she out of order too?

[Dining Dead]

Originally Posted by BucketheadPikes

Ok, fair enough, you can feel however you want about it, that's fine, but I wasn't just talking about the spring breakers on the beach in Florida though. The partygoers in Wrigleyville, Pittsburgh, Nashville & New Orleans too. It's just ridiculous & totally irresponsible, & potentially dangerous.

I'm not going to get into all of the details, but I just had a conversation over the phone this morning with a college professor & she informed me that she has cancelled an event that she annually sponsors & that I attend every year, because she didn't want to be or even feel responsible for the spread of COVID-19 or worse, the death of someone else. She said she didn't want that on her conscience. She also told me she wished her students displayed the same compassion & empathy for others, but sadly many of them are not. She also told me that even her own children were acting like everything is just A-OK & she had to put them in their place by frankly speaking to them to get them to see the potential danger in that type of irresponsible mindset. Was she out of order too?

We're on the same page. Anyone possessing a "me first" mentality during this time is doing the population at large a complete disservice. Ideally, everyone should just behave as if they are carrying the virus. I just cancelled on attending a young nephew's birthday party because I don't think it's right to have a family gathering. We must practice what we preach, even if it brings disappointment. So, no, I have no issues with frank discussion about the dangers of this virus. Quite the contrary, as I feel it's absolutely necessary. However, I'm not at all a fan of intentionally vague, frightening language from a medical professional. Just the facts, please.

[hockeyshark91]

Just some thoughts and observations I have. First off, people need to remain calm and settle down.
Quite honestly, this whole situation is ecerchanging from day to day, sometimes hour to hour. Not much is truly known about numbers and how it affects different age groups. Even at hospitals, they keep the majority of the staff in the dark, as far as number of cases. That part really pees me off.
As far as testing people, your standing in society does not matter. I’ve not seen that at all. Test kits, for the most part, are readily available to anyone that is considered PUI (patient/person under investigation). Again, people need to remain calm and DO follow the simple rules of handwashing and social distancing.
If what I’m hearing turns out to be true, God help us all. Still, I remain hopeful that this will be over soon.

[Lee A Stewart]

As a society . . . if the red light isn't flashing . . . we don't pay attention to it.

[BucketheadPikes]

Originally Posted by Dining Dead

...I'm not at all a fan of intentionally vague, frightening language from a medical professional. Just the facts, please.

I understand, but to be honest here, I've personally heard quite a bit of intentionally vague, & far more frightening language come out of the mouth of many medical professionals in my life. What this COVID-19 doctor said is actually quite mild & tame in comparison.