Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by stevo4264

Just been reading about 2 women who got into a fight at the woolworths store in Parramatta (suburb of Sydney) one of them pulled a knife on the other in the toilet paper aisle, guess she wanted that last roll
This is despite the Prime minister saying there will be no shortages, the manufactures have said there will be no shortages and not to panic buy, But people aren't listening..panic is starting to set in for some people

There are some bloody idiots out there at the moment mate, people are letting the panic take control, and are going extremely overboard. Someone that lives in my apartment building stocked up on bottled water, and stored it in their garage space... When I arrived home from work today, the people that bought the large quantity of water had posted on the notice board, that someone living in the building stole it all from their garage space

[Blu Lemmy]

Originally Posted by DrWally

A bit of perspective on this -

The absolute epicenter of the virus is in China, where Covid-19 has been active for three months. And in that time it has infected the sum total of less than 0.01% of the overall population. And that's in the hot zone. You could go to the Wuhan province and back again and your chances of catching the virus would be less than one in ten thousand.

There is some cautious evidence that the number of cases in China has peaked or at least plateaued since January. The number of cases has seen a downward trend for the past couple of weeks.

The vast majority of cases in the USA have come from transmission from affected areas overseas. So far at least domestic transmission of the virus has been minimal. Your chances of catching it in the USA are roughly on a par with your chances of being trampled by a cow or crushed by falling masonry.

Exercise basic standards of hygiene and sanitation. Wash your hands for twenty seconds in hot water. Catch sneezes in tissues and cover your mouth when coughing. Cut your nails to the quick as viruses can hide under nails. Carry hand gel preferably with an alcohol content of 60%. And don't share utensils or glassware.

Then get on with your life.

A voice of reason. I keep trying to tell people this, but mass hysteria, fuelled by the media is taking hold. Is there cause for concern, of course there is, but simply steps will reduce your chances much more. And in the unfortunate chance you do catch it, you will have a temp and a cough, like you do a couple times a year with a heavy cold.

I tried buying some Calpol for my kids, just one bottle, but nope...it's sold out everywhere....hand sanitiser, forget it, all gone.

[Blu Lemmy]

The British media have all but dropped info about China now, and focusing on the European and British Stats...we have 51 cases as I type. We have a population of 67 million.....you do the maths.

It will get worse.....but still, let's think logically

[ctujackbauer]

Originally Posted by Blu Lemmy

And in the unfortunate chance you do catch it, you will have a temp and a cough, like you do a couple times a year with a heavy cold.

Or you die 2% of the time.

It's not a non-zero chance.

[Blu Lemmy]

Originally Posted by ctujackbauer

Or you die 2% of the time.

It's not a non-zero chance.

True, but look at the statistics of those 1-2% who do unfortunately pass. All elderly or with serious underlying conditions. Seasonal flu would have the same effect on the same populace.

Also, where the deaths are accurately reported the infection rate isn't. General consensus is that the 80,000 reported cases, is probably closer to 150,000 cases. Making the mortality rate much lower.

Don't get me wrong. It's a serious problem, but we need to be logical and not buy into the hysteria being sowed by the media

I don't want to offend anyone as it will have different effects to peoples lives, so I'll bow out.

I wish you and your families well

[ctujackbauer]

Originally Posted by Blu Lemmy

True, but look at the statistics of those 1-2% who do unfortunately pass. All elderly or with serious underlying conditions. Seasonal flu would have the same effect on the same populace.

Also, where the deaths are accurately reported the infection rate isn't. General consensus is that the 80,000 reported cases, is probably closer to 150,000 cases. Making the mortality rate much lower.

Don't get me wrong. It's a serious problem, but we need to be logical and not buy into the hysteria being sowed by the media

Depends on the definition of elderly, it's more lethal for the elderly, but the age distribution's biggest cohort is age 50-59 (at least in Wuhan) for getting infected (not lethality), see:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...d-19-patients/

[AnamorphicWidescreen]

Interesting article:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/panic-wom...211322790.html

Note to self: Avoid getting @#$#-faced drunk before getting on a plane

Originally Posted by Crimson King

I wonder how this will affect public transportation likes buses and subways?

This is definitely a concern for a lot of us. I take public transportation on a daily basis.

[Member-222782]

So will people who get infected and are hospitalized get stuck with a $30,000 hospital bill? How does this work?

[quirkmanly]

Originally Posted by Cinema84

So will people who get infected and are hospitalized get stuck with a $30,000 hospital bill? How does this work?

Assuming you're talking about folks in the US, if you have insurance then your max out of pocket will cap your financial exposure. If you don't have insurance, and you end up in the ICU or it's equivalent, you're liable to be on the end of a sizable bill. The daily cost of intensive treatment is probably in excess of $6000, even for cases of lesser acuity. Obviously the hospital and the state factor into this.

[MifuneFan]

This.is.bad.

The man is 50 and lives in New Rochelle but works as an attorney at Lewis and Garbuz, P.C. in Manhattan. He’s a member of Young Israel of New Rochelle. Five hundred to 700 people who attended services there must quarantine themselves at home.

There's no way 700 people are going to self-quarantine themselves properly. This is basically going to explode once some of those people go on the subway, or anywhere else in NYC.

[dublinbluray108]

The Department of Health in The Republic of Ireland did release some information about how to get the virus via personal transmission. I am not sure if this information is outdated as other countries are giving their guidelines but it is the most up to date information that I had received from the Health Service Executive's guidelines last night. They said that people can be at risk or close contact of catching Coronavirus if they stay near random members of the public who are infected with the virus for more than 15 minutes within 1 or 2 metres away from each other but the risk of catching it is very low.

The Health authorities in Ireland did say that 397 people have been tested for Coronavirus. 395 of them were negative & 2 of them were positive.

The first 2 confirmed cases of Coronavirus in The Republic of Ireland live in the east of the country. But the authorities have not released information about where they live in the country due to legal reasons. They are saying that information should be treated as confidential. However some Irish media reports online are saying that the 2 cases of the virus apparently live in Dublin. The 1st case is a male student who attends a school in Glasnevin in North Dublin & one is a woman from Clondalkin in West Dublin.

A letter from the Health Service Executive sent a letter to all staff, parents & guardian of the school attended by the male student in the post recently.

They have said in the letter, leaked via twitter, that the affected school would be closed for 2 weeks from the 1st of March to the 16th.

It will also be closed on the 17th March as that day is St Patrick's Day.

https://twitter.com/McConnellDaniel/...76646686609415

[LordoftheRings]

This is terrible for OPEC ...
● https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/04/busin...pec/index.html

Chinese scientists ...
• https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/04/coro...-covid-19.html

Don't ignore science, don't underestimate science, don't censor science, don't diminish science, ...
• https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/04/o...s-science.html

[Tony208]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

This.is.bad.



There's no way 700 people are going to self-quarantine themselves properly. This is basically going to explode once some of those people go on the subway, or anywhere else in NYC.

Someone there could've spread it to him. Transmission of this thing is crazy fast.

[LordoftheRings]

That's the thing...it's Rapido/Speedo fast. ...And it's invisible.

[Scarface32]

Originally Posted by The Great Owl

Coronavirus Is What You Get When You Ignore Science

Boom! New York Times drops the mic.

It took 14 paragraphs before he finally blamed the anti-vaxxers, that should have been in the first paragraph!

[Himmel]

Coronavirus has mutated into more aggressive disease, say scientists, and has evolved into two major lineages and it is possible to be infected with both, a new study shows

Source

[ctujackbauer]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronav...d=hp_lead_pos2

A cruise ship, Grand Princess (same owners as the outbreak Diamond Princess, owned by Carnival Cruise Lines), had a "small cluster" of people who were infected, but they were let off at their return port in California last month.

edit: the ship docked on February 21, so Princess Cruises sent out an email a day ago, roughly 2 weeks after the return. email in spoilers below (I love the corporate-speak):

[Show spoiler]Dear Princess Guest:





I wish to advise you that we have been notified by the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) that they are investigating a small cluster of COVID-19 (coronavirus) cases in Northern California connected to your Grand Princess voyage that sailed roundtrip San Francisco from February 11 to February 21. We are working closely with our CDC partners and are following their recommendations.

Please be assured that the health, safety, and well-being of all guests and crew are our absolute priority. The CDC is continuing to actively collect information and we have shared essential travel and health data with the CDC to facilitate their standard notification to the State and County health authorities to follow up with individuals who may have been exposed to people who became ill.

The CDC has asked that we share with you an information card on COVID-19, which you can view by clicking here.

COVID-19 causes mild illness in about 80% of cases, typically with symptoms of fever, cough and shortness of breath, like the common cold or flu. About 20% of people develop more severe symptoms. The more severe symptoms typically occur in more susceptible individuals that have higher risk factors, such as older adults and those with chronic medical conditions, as it does with regular flu. The illness is mainly spread by droplets from close person-to-person contact. It is possible for the virus to spread by hand touch surfaces, but this is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads. Updated information on the illness can be found at the CDC website: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/index.html.

As with all respiratory illnesses, particularly during cold and flu season, you can take steps to reduce your risk of illness:

Wash your hands often with soap and water for 20 seconds.
Supplement hand washing by regularly using an alcohol-based hand sanitizer.
Avoid close contact with people suffering from respiratory illness.
Cover your nose and mouth when you cough or sneeze using a tissue or your bent elbow.
Avoid touching your eyes, nose and mouth with unwashed hands.
If you have experienced any symptoms of acute respiratory illness with fever, chills, or cough since your return home, please immediately contact your medical provider.

Thank you for taking the time to read this important information.

Yours in health,

Grant Tarling, MD, MPH
Chief Medical Officer

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Cinema84

So will people who get infected and are hospitalized get stuck with a $30,000 hospital bill? How does this work?

Originally Posted by quirkmanly

Assuming you're talking about folks in the US, if you have insurance then your max out of pocket will cap your financial exposure. If you don't have insurance, and you end up in the ICU or it's equivalent, you're liable to be on the end of a sizable bill. The daily cost of intensive treatment is probably in excess of $6000, even for cases of lesser acuity. Obviously the hospital and the state factor into this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heK4...ature=youtu.be

[LordoftheRings]

The latest global death rate for the novel coronavirus is 3.4% — higher than earlier figures of about 2%.

[ctujackbauer]

Grand Princess now being held at sea after multiple people showing symptoms. 2,500 passengers were set to return in San Francisco.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/04/healt...day/index.html