4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[Carlanga]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

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b.t.w., where the heck is my mustache scissors recommendation , I don’t think I ever received it? You're reminding me of Ron Jones who never gave me any GPS coordinates to a good fishing spot off Ft. Meyers.

Originally Posted by Teazle

Thanks Penton for another informative post. Very much appreciated as always!

Re: mustache, the avatar isn't me but an Austrian mustache competition finalist. I use the pic for inspiration (am usually clean shaven). Scissors I don't know, but I understand from an old BBC article that it takes heavy wax / hairspray to get that multi-pronged 'stache effect.

Thanks to TinyEye and according to Gawker:
"A competitor presents himself to the jury at Garmisch-Partenkirchen, Germany's 25th annual beard competition. "
So is this guy Austrian then?
http://gawker.com/5503646/if-santa-a...l+%28Gawker%29

[Carlanga]

Originally Posted by Stlsports

This has gotta be the end of the road you would think. At one time I thought DVD was the best thing ever. Huge step up from VHS. Then we got Blu Ray and I thought, now is there anything even higher than this; and of course that's where 4k comes in. But after that I REALLY don't think they'll go higher will they? Sure I'm hearing rumblings about 8K TV's but how in the world is that ever going to translate to the home viewer? Plus all these films shot digitally at 2K or raw 2.8K are nowhere near 8k. Even a lot of the older movies shot on 35 probably don't come close to 8k scanned resolution so I really hope 4K is the final straw.

IMO our empty space in the walls will become a TV, it's the only way they will fit in apartments, they say 8k will come in 2020, I think something w the tech or 'tv of tomorrow' is going to happen before 8k rolls along IMO.

[Falaskan]

I'm not upgrading my format again, unless they find a way to immerse you into the entire movie.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by Stlsports

Plus all these films shot digitally at 2K or raw 2.8K are nowhere near 8k. Even a lot of the older movies shot on 35 probably don't come close to 8k scanned resolution so I really hope 4K is the final straw.

That just means current movies aren't suitable for 8K. Shooting digitally in 8K could certainly become standard in the future.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Stlsports

This has gotta be the end of the road you would think. At one time I thought DVD was the best thing ever. Huge step up from VHS. Then we got Blu Ray and I thought, now is there anything even higher than this; and of course that's where 4k comes in. But after that I REALLY don't think they'll go higher will they? Sure I'm hearing rumblings about 8K TV's but how in the world is that ever going to translate to the home viewer? Plus all these films shot digitally at 2K or raw 2.8K are nowhere near 8k. Even a lot of the older movies shot on 35 probably don't come close to 8k scanned resolution so I really hope 4K is the final straw.

Yeah, 4k will be the standard for the next 500 years. Who needs advancement?

I await the bore fest that is 'the law of diminishing returns' lecture now!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

That just means current movies aren't suitable for 8K. Shooting digitally in 8K could certainly become standard in the future.

Bring it on! I will be very selective about 8k movies though!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Falaskan

I'm not upgrading my format again, unless they find a way to immerse you into the entire movie.

Yep, that is coming soon.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

I hope this isn't what you got out of my previous post (since he was replying to your reply to my previous post).

My point was simply wanting combo packs since it would help make for an easy transition to this new(ish) format.

If I didn't care about pq, I wouldn't be interested in this new 4K format at all. And I also wouldn't have opted for the tv that I just bougt a month or so ago... the Samsung plamsa PN64F8500.... which is a very highly rated set (in many reviews it evdn won out over many currecnt 4k sets), and was NOT cheap. I opted for it because I have been putting off getting a new tv (having used a 37 inch 720p set as my main tv since 2007 until this recent purchase) until I was in a position to be able to get a really nice set (my wife and I make decent money, but we just had various strings of other financial obligations that kept coming up). I was originally going to wait a bit longer (until next year), but with plasma still generally being the to rated affordable technology for pq, with it also on the brink of being discontinued, and having just paid off my wife's braces, I went for it.

I'm sure there will be 4k sets sooner or later that surpass the set that I just got at a price that is comparable or even better. Maybe even in the next year or two. But it is what it is. I'll probably get one evetually, but I don't see upgrading the set that I just got for at least 5 years. There will always be something better on the horizon. At some point I just have to take the plunge, otherwise I'll never enjoy any technology.

My previous points were simply regarding my hope for combo packs since I'm not going to rush out and rebuy equipment for every room in my house. Even if I get a 4k BD player for my living room to go with my new tv and get the best possible picture out of the set that I currently have (which I hope would offer at least somhe improvement even with my current tv), I would still have the regular BD for my other rooms and so forth.


As for the larger potential impact of 4K beyond movies, that requires a form of real effort and progress that I'm not holding my breath on happening. I don't expect downloads, streaming, or even tv/cable/satelite signals to be in true 4k anytime soon. Heck, even the best of those things still fall at least somewhat short of the quality that 'regular' blu-ray currently offers. Without major changes to the infrastructure that supports thse things, I don't see a change on the horizon anytime soon. This therefore leave the best 4k potental in the hands of packaged media. This means movies and, if we are lucky, a few tv show season sets. Considering that tv season set support on regular BD is spotty... with some studios not releasing or inconsistently releasing tv shows on BD (this year Fox, for example, is only releasing DVD season sets of several TV shows that it has reeased the past several season of on BD), I'm not really holding my breath on 4K BD releases being much better.

No, not at all mate. I was speaking generally.

[AudioWarrior]

Originally Posted by Carlanga

IMO our empty space in the walls will become a TV, it's the only way they will fit in apartments, they say 8k will come in 2020, I think something w the tech or 'tv of tomorrow' is going to happen before 8k rolls along IMO.

Why not roll-up OLED displays? It'd be like buying poster, except more interesting!

[KRW1]

Originally Posted by AudioWarrior

Why not roll-up OLED displays? It'd be like buying poster, except more interesting!

Those things are definitely coming. I don't see 8k anything as a go-er until at least 2022-2025 and who knows where we'll be by then content wise.

[R3P0]

Originally Posted by Stlsports

This has gotta be the end of the road you would think. At one time I thought DVD was the best thing ever. Huge step up from VHS. Then we got Blu Ray and I thought, now is there anything even higher than this; and of course that's where 4k comes in. But after that I REALLY don't think they'll go higher will they? Sure I'm hearing rumblings about 8K TV's but how in the world is that ever going to translate to the home viewer? Plus all these films shot digitally at 2K or raw 2.8K are nowhere near 8k. Even a lot of the older movies shot on 35 probably don't come close to 8k scanned resolution so I really hope 4K is the final straw.

8k Is where they are taking us, everything actually shot in IMAX is done using an 8k Camera. The Dark Knight was the first movie to use the technology. The only question is going to be how well will it transition over to in the home. I think for the average user 4k will be it, by 2022-2025 , The high end users will want 8k that's for sure. Right now as a matter of fact you can put a IMAX theater in you home I think the technology costs around 2.5 million for the install.

If you go here you can see the theater installed in a home

http://www.imaxprivatetheatre.com/im...t-in-imax.html

[AudioWarrior]

Originally Posted by KRW1

Those things are definitely coming. I don't see 8k anything as a go-er until at least 2022-2025 and who knows where we'll be by then content wise.

The only way they're going to fit speakers in those, is by using membrane speaker technology! Either that, or read subtitles....

[Tekka]

Last week, I was at a Cinemark theater (Ghostbusters in XD ) and kept hearing ads (in the men's room and other areas of the theater that played background music) for Sony 4K/UHD bluray discs. We're not talking mastered in 4k or something you stream. The ads were talking about some ultra high def 4k disc format as if it actually existed and was being sold in stores right now. I totally got the impression they released the ads too soon.

[BozQ]

Originally Posted by r3p0

8k is where they are taking us, everything actually shot in imax is done using an 8k camera. The dark knight was the first movie to use the technology. The only question is going to be how well will it transition over to in the home. I think for the average user 4k will be it, by 2022-2025 , the high end users will want 8k that's for sure. Right now as a matter of fact you can put a imax theater in you home i think the technology costs around 2.5 million for the install.

If you go here you can see the theater installed in a home

http://www.imaxprivatetheatre.com/im...t-in-imax.html

imax 8k?

[Tekka]

Originally Posted by R3P0

8k Is where they are taking us, everything actually shot in IMAX is done using an 8k Camera. The Dark Knight was the first movie to use the technology. The only question is going to be how well will it transition over to in the home. I think for the average user 4k will be it, by 2022-2025 , The high end users will want 8k that's for sure. Right now as a matter of fact you can put a IMAX theater in you home I think the technology costs around 2.5 million for the install.

If you go here you can see the theater installed in a home

http://www.imaxprivatetheatre.com/im...t-in-imax.html

It wasn't until I saw larger 4K tvs did I understand why all the engineers at various Japanese corporations and television stations are pushing to implement 8K as soon as possible. As the size of the screens goes up, you start to see more of that annoying space inbetween the pixels (I keep being told I'm a freak because even on 4k screens I can see the subpixels and the spaces inbetween.). 8k tech totally eliminates that space and allows for implementation of newer standards like over the air 120fps video and 22.2 surround sound.

[Tekka]

Originally Posted by BozQ

imax 8k?

The Dark Knight was shot on 35mm and IMAX 15/70mm film, save for a few scenes shot on digital hand helds (The Joker kidnapping of the fake batman for example). When properly scanned, IMAX 15/70mm film has a resolution higher than 8k. It is something like 16-20+k. Which is... 250 million pixels or something. In other words just totally insane considering 1080p is 2 million and 4k is 8ish million pixels.

[KRW1]

Originally Posted by AudioWarrior

The only way they're going to fit speakers in those, is by using membrane speaker technology! Either that, or read subtitles....

They could easily come without speakers or bundled with some sort of soundbar that sits underneath or anywhere in the room.

[PrestigeWorldwide]

Originally Posted by Falaskan

I'm not upgrading my format again, unless they find a way to immerse you into the entire movie.

Me neither. I want interactive holograms! It's nearly 2015, where is my home holodeck already?!

But seriously, this sounds like great news. I probably won't be upgrading TV's for at least another 5 years. Love my 3D Panny plasmas.

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Yes, the target date could slip, but the greater likelihood is that some advanced support (WCG, HDR) could be phased in.

They should wait until all of the features are ready. Phasing in different features / profiles didn't work so well for Blu-ray; where's the long promised 4-layer BD-100 discs that was one of the major selling points?

Honestly, I can't see 4k being very successful, only ultra niche and maybe a laserdisc equivalent, with 3 formats being available unless they start to phase out earlier technology.

[DetroitSportsFan]

A reason for concern?

According to a source, the high cost of storage forced the studios to down-convert their 4K masters and will now have to re-upscale these masters back to 4K.

http://www.twice.com/news/blu-raydvd....uf4xAMFS.dpuf