8K is available yet 4K hangs on like a disease that killed someone dear to you. Why?

[movie fan2021]

Originally Posted by flyry

some networks still broadcast in 720 and dvd's still exist. smh.

Sadly and regretably yes. Any still broadcasting in black and white with mono sound?

[weberrygt]

I get excited when I turn on a sports event (like the World Cup going on right now) and see that YouTube TV has it in 4k. I pay for the 4k package through YouTubeTV. It is 100% NOT worth it due to how few 4k broadcasts there are. But I pay for it just to get a few random broadcasts in 4k. That seems to be a good example of 4k and it's implementation.

[avs commenter]

4K for live sports isn't quite the leap yet from regular HD. It will get better though in time. I would love to see a higher framer rate for live sports as I think that could be a game changer.

[thejoeman2]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

4K for live sports isn't quite the leap yet from regular HD. It will get better though in time. I would love to see a higher framer rate for live sports as I think that could be a game changer.

I watch Prime Video through my UB820 for Thursday Night Football. It is a pain at first, as the player doesn't support the app well. Once I get it started though, it looks great. I think it looks better than the OTA football games, though it more has to do with the upscaling of the UB820 vs LG C2 panel. Makes me wish Panasonic can just put out separate device for video processing, like upscaling and HDR Optimizer.

I do agree that we need high framerate sports content.

[weberrygt]

That adds to my point, which I should have clarified. I was trying to say how 4k is still not widely utilized. There is limited 4k availability in terms of sports, and as you point out it's not even that great. However, in my opinion, you definitely notice a difference I think what we both are saying is that 4k still has a ways to go yet.

[RevolverOcelScott]

Originally Posted by thejoeman2

I watch Prime Video through my UB820 for Thursday Night Football. It is a pain at first, as the player doesn't support the app well. Once I get it started though, it looks great. I think it looks better than the OTA football games, though it more has to do with the upscaling of the UB820 vs LG C2 panel. Makes me wish Panasonic can just put out separate device for video processing, like upscaling and HDR Optimizer.

I do agree that we need high framerate sports content.

Is the Prime Video app on the C2 any better?

[thejoeman2]

Originally Posted by RevolverOcelScott

Is the Prime Video app on the C2 any better?

It is ok. I just find the upscaling on the Panasonic to be really good.

[By_His_Strypes]

8K is mainly for live sporting events, nothing more than that and certainly not for physical media. So that thought should be put out of your mind right now.

[KMOX4]

Matter of fact, there as of right now, not a full station in the states broadcasting in 4K.
Tersital wise.

[Liquid_Swords]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

They have barely scratched the surface with 4K and people want 8K? Lol

There sure is some scratched surfaces on 4k discs that's for sure.

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by thejoeman2

I disagree with the ban, though I am from the US. I feel that this will trickle down to the States though.

I hope not. Bunch of crap.

As for 8K.... well, I have a hard time believing that the vast majority of people can actually benefit much from it. Remember, each time we "upgrade" , the upgrade becomes less of a jump. IMO, good 4K discs and content look fantastic. They sound great too. I really cant imagine re-buying my disc collection yet again and/or buying a whole bunch of new gear that supports 8K. I just acquired a 77" Sony OLED and 4K looks majestic on it. How much "more" do I need?

Despite being into physical media and high quality video, the phrase "diminishing returns" comes to mind here. Id rather they concentrate on getting out every movie possible on 4K with a good transfer & audio. Lets get that right first before we whip out the next thing.

[Hydra Spectre]

Originally Posted by movie fan2021

Sadly and regretably yes. Any still broadcasting in black and white with mono sound?

The Philippines and North Korea still broadcast in 4:3 and mono. Even for the digital TV signals (though they still have analogue broadcasts).
I live in the Philippines myself and I can confirm at least half of this.
Here is a North Korean TV broadcast from last November:

Here

And here is a local noontime variety show from the Philippines (Eat Bulaga!. a staple of Filipino culture), where they still use 480i 4:3 Digibeta, and the YouTube stream is upscaled and stretched to 16:9:

here

Not sure about other countries.
And also for the Philippines, the CGI is more than 30 years behind. The CGI in the local shows looks worse than in-game graphics from the SEGA Genesis. The CGI makes DOOM 1993 look like Pixar by comparison.

Also, as for 8K. Many older games look amazing in 8K. Almost all games from before 2014 can be played in 8K 60fps with max settings and they look great. And many games can still run and look good in 8K 60fps.
NVIDIA even promoted how DLSS can produce great results with 8K displays for Death Stranding using Ultra Performance (1440p reconstructed to 8K using DLSS 2.0). And that was just the RTX 3090. Maybe the RTX 4090 can play Death Stranding in 8K 60fps HDR with Performance Mode (4K reconstructed to 8K).

[djpalacios91]

Originally Posted by weberrygt

I get excited when I turn on a sports event (like the World Cup going on right now) and see that YouTube TV has it in 4k. I pay for the 4k package through YouTubeTV. It is 100% NOT worth it due to how few 4k broadcasts there are. But I pay for it just to get a few random broadcasts in 4k. That seems to be a good example of 4k and it's implementation.

Sadly, your money is lost because it's just a 1080p upscale.

[weberrygt]

The image is definitely better when it is a 4k broadcast. I go back and forth between games for example and can definitely see the difference. If it is just an upscale, then I wish they would just upscale everything.

[meremortal]

4k's much more mainstream than I'd have imagined. It helps that nearly every TV is also native 4k. Most people likely aren't picky over a/v quality when hd streaming is getting so close to physical media, more specifically in regards to pq. But it is nice to see so many movies released in 4k. Remasters/new scans to blu are also welcome.

[WonkaBedknobs83]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

You consider 10% to 13% of a market a mainstream product versus niche product? Cause that's what their sales have been.

That's more than laserdisc ever had and we wouldn't be here having this discussion if it wasn't for that.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by WonkaBedknobs83

That's more than laserdisc ever had and we wouldn't be here having this discussion if it wasn't for that.

LD was a product that failed to capture the marketplace like it's inventors intended. Only 2% of USA households had an LD player. So it morphed into a niche product for those who wanted higher A/V quality.

4K UHD-BD is an evolved product. It's roots are first in DVD then in BD. Those that buy them no longer buy BDs pretty much. So 4K UHD-BD cannibalized BD sales to gain it's market share.

[WonkaBedknobs83]

Cannibalism on top of cannibalism since Blu-ray buyers also stopped buying DVDs unless nothing better was available for a particular title, or unless the Blu-ray was mastered/authored poorly compared to earlier versions or missing extras from past versions.

[avs commenter]

Originally Posted by weberrygt

The image is definitely better when it is a 4k broadcast. I go back and forth between games for example and can definitely see the difference. If it is just an upscale, then I wish they would just upscale everything.

I watched some 4K football this weekend. It does look better than regular HD, but the difference isn't as big as you would think. Seems they haven't quite figured out the HDR/HLG aspect of it yet as it's a little too dim.

[veritas]

Streaming has also been cannibalizing all the other sectors of media. I know a lot of people who have stopped going to see movies in theaters as it will be available to stream anyway in a month or 2. The prices I am willing to pay has also dropped considerably because of streaming.