4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

lol, I really think I’m the one that should stop talking for awhile as too much provided information can sometimes be a needless burden to carry… given everything tends to work out in the end anyway.

Largely, that's correct. If you aren't careful all you do is focus on what is wrong in the world and what you don't have versus what's right and what you have been blessed with.

I'm glad you liked my theoretical discussion too. It's based on real-life conversations!

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by singhcr

Largely, that's correct. If you aren't careful all you do is focus on what is wrong in the world and what you don't have versus what's right and what you have been blessed with.

I'm glad you liked my theoretical discussion too. It's based on real-life conversations!

I just hope those conversations don’t occur during work if your job entails something like working on the internals of cardiac pacers.

[Richard Paul]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Unless something unexpectedly goes awry (like with the politics of the situation), 4K BD should get BT.2020 support in the spec, as that’s the plan…which is on track.

I hope that BT.2020 will be supported when they decide on the final specs for 4K Blu-ray. My great worry is that the CE companies will choose short term sales over long term success.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

I hope that BT.2020 will be supported when they decide on the final specs for 4K Blu-ray. My great worry is that the CE companies will choose short term sales over long term success.

Although BT. 2020 is not the native color space of the Canon DP-V3010 monitor referenced to on the last page, its firmware upgrade is proof of concept that they’ve developed a cost effective software solution to support BT.2020 input signals and map them to either P3 or BT.709.

BT.2020 has got its foot in the door.

[bailey1987]

I think the ball is going to start rolling pretty quickly now, I expect that at each trade show between CES 2015 and December 2015 all the technical specifications will quickly fall into place, if anything is missing I suspect it will be DTS MDA, DTS seem to be slow to make a move with UHD, they have yet to get MDA into cinemas never mind the home.

At CES I predict that if it is not all about DTS MDA, then it will not be announced until next year leaving early adopters wondering if early players and receivers will get a firmware update. Although I expect that we will know every detail by April.

I can't wait to read the reviews on the first releases, I wonder what will be released and what the special features will be like?

[Penton-Man]

DTS are not happy campers these days but they’re trying to get the word out -
http://ccw14.mapyourshow.com/6_0/ses...?ScheduleID=43

[Tok]

Does dts have anything to do with the theatrical side any longer? I thought they spun the theatrical unit off and renamed it Datasat.

[Tok]

Dolby got hosed on BD. For some reason the dts fanboys were able to create the perception that Master Audio was superior to TrueHD. I am sure dts had lower licensing fees than Dolby. I really didn't care as long as some form of lossless audio was an option.

[Geoff D]

No such thing as licence fees. You pay for whichever mastering suite you want (and it should be obvious by now that most of the major studios have both) and do what you like with them.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Tok

For some reason the dts fanboys were able to create the perception that Master Audio was superior to TrueHD.

According to Roger Dressler (now retired from Dolby) the DTS MA mastering of Blu-ray disc was cheaper than TrueHD. Has to do with the number of passes for Q&A, time = money.

[Tok]

I know TrueHD had issues with seamless branching.

Don't the studios have to pay a licensing fee to use the codec logos on the packaging?

[Geoff D]

That I don't know, but do you really think they wouldn't use a certain format just because the logo cost too much? As Wendell said, TrueHD has a more involved mastering phase which put people off, and when you consider that you get a core track at 1.5Mb/s with DTS-HD compared to the legacy DD 640kb/s track for TrueHD (hidden or otherwise), it also made more sense from a consumer quality standpoint in terms of sheer numbers (but not quality, as I'm sure PeterTHX will tell/has told us).

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

That I don't know, but do you really think they wouldn't use a certain format just because the logo cost too much?

As silly as that sounds, I have actually wondered about that from time to time. I mean, obviously I'm not talking about Warner and Goodfellas but I do wonder if the cost of licensing logos is a factor in more of these decisions than one might initially think.

Margins are tight. I don't know how much SDH subs actually cost but several smaller distributors are reluctant to pay it. I could see lossless audio being similar. On top of encoding costs and QA costs you're got to give DTS/Dolby their little slice.

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by octagon

As silly as that sounds, I have actually wondered about that from time to time. I mean, obviously I'm not talking about Warner and Goodfellas but I do wonder if the cost of licensing logos is a factor in more of these decisions than one might initially think.

Margins are tight. I don't know how much SDH subs actually cost but several smaller distributors are reluctant to pay it. I could see lossless audio being similar. On top of encoding costs and QA costs you're got to give DTS/Dolby their little slice.

If you were really short on cash to the point where you didn't want to pay encoding license fees, you could release the audio in PCM format.

[Geoff D]

Yep. If it's gonna make that much of a hypothetical difference (us not knowing either way if costs are involved just to use the freakin' logos) and if margins are that tight, then why wouldn't you just use PCM? And seeing as we're really talking about the big studios here and why they've flip flopped between TrueHD and DTS-HD, they'd have enough money even on the barest of bare-bones catalogue releases to be able to afford a logo.

[Penton-Man]

Geoff, with Vizio’s recent 4K P series launch (http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/24/68...-999-4k-uhd-tv ) I fear the 4K tv club is building momentum for transitioning from *niche* to *semi-niche* status....or, God forbid 'mainstream' quicker than I would have liked.

Alas, we will no longer be special.

[KubrickKurasawa]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Geoff, with Vizio’s recent 4K P series launch (http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/24/68...-999-4k-uhd-tv ) I fear the 4K tv club is building momentum for transitioning from *niche* to *semi-niche* status....or, God forbid 'mainstream' quicker than I would have liked.

Alas, we will no longer be special.

Yep Amazon Prime - http://www.amazon.com/s?url=search-a...=vizio+4%2Caps

999.99 = 50"
1,398.00 = 55"
1,699.99 = 60"
2,498.00 = 70"

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Geoff, with Vizio’s recent 4K P series launch (http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/24/68...-999-4k-uhd-tv ) I fear the 4K tv club is building momentum for transitioning from *niche* to *semi-niche* status....or, God forbid 'mainstream' quicker than I would have liked.

Alas, we will no longer be special.

Whaaaaaaaat? You mean I'm no longer an army of one? **** that noise, where them 8K TVs at? I wanna feel special again....

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by KubrickKurasawa

Yep Amazon Prime - http://www.amazon.com/s?url=search-a...=vizio+4%2Caps

999.99 = 50"
1,398.00 = 55"
1,699.99 = 60"
2,498.00 = 70"

Well, that’s some mighty attractive pricing especially for the 70” model given how the human visual system functions – https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ze#post9667384

I’m not really familiar with Vizio TVs as I’m used to looking at reference grade ($$) displays at work and at home for years ( https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...05#post9740242 ) and while at work, contemplating more nuanced problems associated with their viewing but, if Vizio doesn’t show a greater % of *bad* (meaning defective for one reason or another) ‘P’ series displays due to poor Quality Control/Assurance as compared to the other more prestigious television manufactures (and if that were to occur, AV social media doesn’t find out and highlight it on sites like Amazon, Best Buy, Costco, etc.), I’d have to say it appears Vizio now is holding a winning hand in this consumer display arena.

Personally, the downside for my family as Sony shareholders is that Sony is already planning on canceling dividends for the full year I suspect and I can’t see this price slashing competition from Vizio helping out that particular situation ….if anything, could extend the no dividend payouts even longer.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Whaaaaaaaat? You mean I'm no longer an army of one? **** that noise, where them 8K TVs at? I wanna feel special again....

The adoption of the once fine niche 4K ownership club is starting to remind me of thee ol’ days with Grey Poupon when it was restricted to the upper class, where everyone wore suits, ties and had drivers ….ah, the good ol' days

Grey Poupon "Son Of Rolls" 30 Sec Commercial - YouTube

And now…any dang Joe or JoanQpublic has easy access to the stuff and flaunts that fact -

Banned Grey Poupon Ad - YouTube

Presentations at cutting edge conferences showing slides like this also certainly don’t help keeping the 4K club elitist/special …